The big Coronavirus thread
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Had to rebook after some flight cancellations, but still got a booking for end of August to go to France. Very low key though, and cancelled my Pyrenees portion of the trip due to no cycling.tailwindhome said:Booked a holiday yet?
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10 weeks and counting.tailwindhome said:Booked a holiday yet?
I'm not confident the January holiday will go ahead.
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I don't know about this stuff, but wasn't T cell stuff always going to be there.TheBigBean said:The T-cell stuff is a lot more positive. I still find it interesting why the virus seems to be dying out in London.
I mean, I thought the whole point with the virus in the people who were getting really ill was that they didn't have enough anti-bodies to stop the virus spreading, so then the T-cells ended up attacking anything and everything. Hence the "Cytokine Storm"??0 -
I posted in the other corona thread that it would be highly unusual for a virus to be worse the second time around - only Dengue fever seems to be in this camp, and a lot of studies have gone into why this is. Therefore, I find it a bit frustrating when people talk about how immunity may be lost as a justification for anything. It reminds me very much of the face mask discussion in March - people claiming that it was silly to wear them because they weren't 100% effective.kingstongraham said:But if those of us who have already had it get exposed to it naturally every few months, couldn't that potentially boost the immunity without major symptoms? Those who are at risk get vaccinated with boosters when needed.
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I don't have much of an understanding, but I thought the T-cells were the first line of defence, so if somebody's T-cells do the job, they don't need antibodies. Even if you do need the antibodies the T-cells still develop protection for the future and then remember for a lot longer, so see study that 100% of people with SARS have the T-cells to fight C-19.rick_chasey said:
I don't know about this stuff, but wasn't T cell stuff always going to be there.TheBigBean said:The T-cell stuff is a lot more positive. I still find it interesting why the virus seems to be dying out in London.
I mean, I thought the whole point with the virus in the people who were getting really ill was that they didn't have enough anti-bodies to stop the virus spreading, so then the T-cells ended up attacking anything and everything. Hence the "Cytokine Storm"??
So if 20% of London has the antibodies it might be the case that another 40% has the T-cells, and herd immunity has been reached.
I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation as to why kids don't get it / suffer with it. I don't really buy the one about them having so many colds they are used to fighting it as that doesn't apply to newborns.
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tailwindhome said:
Booked a holiday yet?
Driving to my house in SE France for 6 weeks. Normally I'd fly/train.bus, but not ready for that yet, so booked ferry/Eurotunnel a couple of days ago. Given how quickly the Eurotunnel prices went up between when I first looked and a couple of days after that, I'd guess that plenty of people are planning French getaways.0 -
Booked up north in September by when there will hopefully be a sense of normality, but before the predicted second wave. Fingers crossed on the weather.tailwindhome said:Booked a holiday yet?
Not considering booking flights until after the winter to see how flights/companies come out of this.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Getting bored typing it, so I'm sure you're bored of reading it but the situation is really quite strikingly better abroad than the UK.tailwindhome said:Booked a holiday yet?
Go for it!!
I notice Easyjet Flights to Geneva this month are bloomin' expensive all of a sudden so people are heading out...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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I'm becoming less convinced about the Eat Out Help Out scheme.
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For those going abroad for their holidays, what is your travel insurance plan with regard to C-19?0
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A useful thread on the current state of understanding on immune response to SARS-CoV-2.
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Really? We just rang up our usual place in East Devon.TheBigBean said:1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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CoverForYou insurance that I have actually sent out an email saying that they had specifically added 100% cover for all C-19 related impact. Which was nice.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Mine wrote to me in March to say it was a known event and now specifically excluded.pblakeney said:CoverForYou insurance that I have actually sent out an email saying that they had specifically added 100% cover for all C-19 related impact. Which was nice.
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I have no experience of how to do it. A brief search seemed to find that most things were either (i) expensive (e.g. £1k/week) (ii) fully booked (iii) not all that desirable (e.g. a flat in a town).rjsterry said:
Really? We just rang up our usual place in East Devon.TheBigBean said:
I would be delighted to hear if you have a recommendation in East Devon. Sounds nice. Perhaps a PM if you have time.
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My insurance says "If you catch Coronavirus or require medical treatment whilst away, then yes cover will be in place for emergency and necessary treatment, so long as you have not travelled against FCO advice."
It also says "Unfortunately, the policy will not provide cover for cancellation in the event that the Foreign and Commonwealth Office have advised against travel."
So they wouldn't have paid out for anything that we needed to cancel, but all the providers have paid back anyway.
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Already had 2 cancelled but still have Almeria and Madeira to come. Not that confident tbh.tailwindhome said:Booked a holiday yet?
Last week I booked for Fuerteventura in January.
If you don't book you can't go can you?
Worst case scenario cancellation and a refund.0 -
holidaying in the UK is not cheap, like most things you get what you pay for so ficus on what you really want.TheBigBean said:
I have no experience of how to do it. A brief search seemed to find that most things were either (i) expensive (e.g. £1k/week) (ii) fully booked (iii) not all that desirable (e.g. a flat in a town).rjsterry said:
Really? We just rang up our usual place in East Devon.TheBigBean said:
I would be delighted to hear if you have a recommendation in East Devon. Sounds nice. Perhaps a PM if you have time.
Check out the Isle of wight is cheaper and closer than Devon and feels like you have gone somewhere because you get on a ferry. North side is expensive as that is where the yachties are.0 -
This is precisely why people went abroad. Why would you risk the weather when the Med will often be cheaper, better weather, and nicer if you pick location carefully.TheBigBean said:
I have no experience of how to do it. A brief search seemed to find that most things were either (i) expensive (e.g. £1k/week) (ii) fully booked (iii) not all that desirable (e.g. a flat in a town).rjsterry said:
Really? We just rang up our usual place in East Devon.TheBigBean said:
I would be delighted to hear if you have a recommendation in East Devon. Sounds nice. Perhaps a PM if you have time.
Captive market for the foreseeable assuming flights are difficult and/or expensive.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Thanks for the tip. The Isle of Wight is also good for the car free as the train/boat combo is nice, but obviously not so good for the socially distant.surrey_commuter said:
holidaying in the UK is not cheap, like most things you get what you pay for so ficus on what you really want.TheBigBean said:
I have no experience of how to do it. A brief search seemed to find that most things were either (i) expensive (e.g. £1k/week) (ii) fully booked (iii) not all that desirable (e.g. a flat in a town).rjsterry said:
Really? We just rang up our usual place in East Devon.TheBigBean said:
I would be delighted to hear if you have a recommendation in East Devon. Sounds nice. Perhaps a PM if you have time.
Check out the Isle of wight is cheaper and closer than Devon and feels like you have gone somewhere because you get on a ferry. North side is expensive as that is where the yachties are.
It's one for the unpopular opinions thread, but holidaying in Europe is so overrated.
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You could still do it annually and it would substantially cut the risk of transference surely? If you spread the annual vaccine throughout the year and it lasted 2 months then a sixth of the population would be immune at any given time. A flu vaccine doesn't provide immunity for a full year (I think it's about 6 months) so is given when the risk of catching it is highest.john80 said:
It is a sliding scale of practicality. If it lasts a year then getting the population inoculated once a year is clearly possible because we do this with flu. If it lasts two months then we need to inoculate the population 6 times a year again possibly doable but likely expensive. If it lasts a month or a couple of weeks then I will let you think about the logic of that.kingstongraham said:
Coopster's position has been that we need to protect the vulnerable while getting on with establishing herd immunity in the rest of the population during the summer, so we can get back to normal. Without herd immunity that doesn't really work.nickice said:
I don't like the way he expresses it but Coopster is right. If antibodies don't last long then a vaccine will not be effective. His case has always been 'there's not much we can do about it so we should continue as close to normal as possible'. This supports that case more than it does yours.rick_chasey said:Ah, sorry.
I forgot the reading comprehension is lacking.
There is a strong possibility that even if the antibodies don't last a reinfection would be more akin to the common cold. Yes, it does mean herd immunity is not possible but it also means that this virus is coming for everyone so we might as well just accept it.
What was the lack of reading comprehension on his part?
I don't understand why vaccines giving immunity lasting a few months would be useless? Can someone explain?
This is before we compare who gets a flu jab versus who might need to get a covid jab as if it is everyone then the above numbers just got more difficult. Public health is all just a numbers game to try to achieve the best outcome with a fixed amount of money that a population will bear through general taxation. Those that think the pot is endless don't live in the real world.0 -
you might be surprised how empty the trains are, I went on a commuter time train and it was virtually emptyTheBigBean said:
Thanks for the tip. The Isle of Wight is also good for the car free as the train/boat combo is nice, but obviously not so good for the socially distant.surrey_commuter said:
holidaying in the UK is not cheap, like most things you get what you pay for so ficus on what you really want.TheBigBean said:
I have no experience of how to do it. A brief search seemed to find that most things were either (i) expensive (e.g. £1k/week) (ii) fully booked (iii) not all that desirable (e.g. a flat in a town).rjsterry said:
Really? We just rang up our usual place in East Devon.TheBigBean said:
I would be delighted to hear if you have a recommendation in East Devon. Sounds nice. Perhaps a PM if you have time.
Check out the Isle of wight is cheaper and closer than Devon and feels like you have gone somewhere because you get on a ferry. North side is expensive as that is where the yachties are.
It's one for the unpopular opinions thread, but holidaying in Europe is so overrated.
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PM'd you.TheBigBean said:
I have no experience of how to do it. A brief search seemed to find that most things were either (i) expensive (e.g. £1k/week) (ii) fully booked (iii) not all that desirable (e.g. a flat in a town).rjsterry said:
Really? We just rang up our usual place in East Devon.TheBigBean said:
I would be delighted to hear if you have a recommendation in East Devon. Sounds nice. Perhaps a PM if you have time.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Isle of white is wall-to-wall chins however, so if you don't like rubbing up against them, figuratively, it might not be so great.TheBigBean said:
Thanks for the tip. The Isle of Wight is also good for the car free as the train/boat combo is nice, but obviously not so good for the socially distant.surrey_commuter said:
holidaying in the UK is not cheap, like most things you get what you pay for so ficus on what you really want.TheBigBean said:
I have no experience of how to do it. A brief search seemed to find that most things were either (i) expensive (e.g. £1k/week) (ii) fully booked (iii) not all that desirable (e.g. a flat in a town).rjsterry said:
Really? We just rang up our usual place in East Devon.TheBigBean said:
I would be delighted to hear if you have a recommendation in East Devon. Sounds nice. Perhaps a PM if you have time.
Check out the Isle of wight is cheaper and closer than Devon and feels like you have gone somewhere because you get on a ferry. North side is expensive as that is where the yachties are.
It's one for the unpopular opinions thread, but holidaying in Europe is so overrated.
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A new one on me, who or what are they?rick_chasey said:
Isle of white is wall-to-wall chins however, so if you don't like rubbing up against them, figuratively, it might not be so great.
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Same for me. One holiday in Mallorca lost, but re-book for June, next year.ballysmate said:
Already had 2 cancelled but still have Almeria and Madeira to come. Not that confident tbh.tailwindhome said:Booked a holiday yet?
Last week I booked for Fuerteventura in January.
If you don't book you can't go can you?
Worst case scenario cancellation and a refund.
One in the pipeline to Mallorca towards the end of September, with next september already sorted.
Also looking towards the Canaries in January. Seem to be some decent deals about.
2 conflicting points re-immunity.
1) Isn't it likely that if someone has had C19, their immune system would recognised the virus and likely produce the required antibodies?
Heard it mentioned today again that as yet, nobody who has had it, has had it again as a bad dose.
2) If immunity is short lived and a vaccine found, isn't it likely that repeated vaccines could trigger a variant or lose potency?
The same reason why repeated antibiotic prescriptions are warned against.
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blazing_saddles said:
Same for me. One holiday in Mallorca lost, but re-book for June, next year.ballysmate said:
Already had 2 cancelled but still have Almeria and Madeira to come. Not that confident tbh.tailwindhome said:Booked a holiday yet?
Last week I booked for Fuerteventura in January.
If you don't book you can't go can you?
Worst case scenario cancellation and a refund.
One in the pipeline to Mallorca towards the end of September, with next september already sorted.
Also looking towards the Canaries in January. Seem to be some decent deals about.
2 conflicting points re-immunity.
1) Isn't it likely that if someone has had C19, their immune system would recognised the virus and likely produce the required antibodies?
Heard it mentioned today again that as yet, nobody who has had it, has had it again as a bad dose.
2) If immunity is short lived and a vaccine found, isn't it likely that repeated vaccines could trigger a variant or lose potency?
The same reason why repeated antibiotic prescriptions are warned against.
1) Current understanding is this is down to memory T-Cells triggering the memory B-Cells to produce the required anti-bodies. The anti-bodies will still have the 3 week half-life as they do now.0 -
It's been a long time since I studies it but I don't think the T cells stop you getting it, it just means it's very mild.TheBigBean said:
I don't have much of an understanding, but I thought the T-cells were the first line of defence, so if somebody's T-cells do the job, they don't need antibodies. Even if you do need the antibodies the T-cells still develop protection for the future and then remember for a lot longer, so see study that 100% of people with SARS have the T-cells to fight C-19.rick_chasey said:
I don't know about this stuff, but wasn't T cell stuff always going to be there.TheBigBean said:The T-cell stuff is a lot more positive. I still find it interesting why the virus seems to be dying out in London.
I mean, I thought the whole point with the virus in the people who were getting really ill was that they didn't have enough anti-bodies to stop the virus spreading, so then the T-cells ended up attacking anything and everything. Hence the "Cytokine Storm"??
So if 20% of London has the antibodies it might be the case that another 40% has the T-cells, and herd immunity has been reached.
I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation as to why kids don't get it / suffer with it. I don't really buy the one about them having so many colds they are used to fighting it as that doesn't apply to newborns.0