The big Coronavirus thread
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Or a one time vaccine shot with the knowledge that it won't protect you but will mean you get mild disease and then boosters for the more vulnerable (if that even works). That means waiting for a vaccine, though.kingstongraham said:But if those of us who have already had it get exposed to it naturally every few months, couldn't that potentially boost the immunity without major symptoms? Those who are at risk get vaccinated with boosters when needed.
To be honest, I'd take being infected with another coronavirus to have cross-immunity (if I don't already have it) especially that I'm very likely to catch it at work given how many people I interact with. It might be unethical but it beats getting severe disease. Idea for a start-up....0 -
If that works, I wouldn't say it's unethical. Better than catching this bastard.nickice said:
Or a one time vaccine shot with the knowledge that it won't protect you but will mean you get mild disease and then boosters for the more vulnerable (if that even works). That means waiting for a vaccine, though.kingstongraham said:But if those of us who have already had it get exposed to it naturally every few months, couldn't that potentially boost the immunity without major symptoms? Those who are at risk get vaccinated with boosters when needed.
To be honest, I'd take being infected with another coronavirus to have cross-immunity (if I don't already have it) especially that I'm very likely to catch it at work given how many people I interact with. It might be unethical but it beats getting severe disease. Idea for a start-up....0 -
The Prof Francois Balloux thread a page back touched on this.nickice said:
It's been a long time since I studies it but I don't think the T cells stop you getting it, it just means it's very mild.TheBigBean said:
I don't have much of an understanding, but I thought the T-cells were the first line of defence, so if somebody's T-cells do the job, they don't need antibodies. Even if you do need the antibodies the T-cells still develop protection for the future and then remember for a lot longer, so see study that 100% of people with SARS have the T-cells to fight C-19.rick_chasey said:
I don't know about this stuff, but wasn't T cell stuff always going to be there.TheBigBean said:The T-cell stuff is a lot more positive. I still find it interesting why the virus seems to be dying out in London.
I mean, I thought the whole point with the virus in the people who were getting really ill was that they didn't have enough anti-bodies to stop the virus spreading, so then the T-cells ended up attacking anything and everything. Hence the "Cytokine Storm"??
So if 20% of London has the antibodies it might be the case that another 40% has the T-cells, and herd immunity has been reached.
I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation as to why kids don't get it / suffer with it. I don't really buy the one about them having so many colds they are used to fighting it as that doesn't apply to newborns.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Finally all those colds that the minions bring home from school are useful for something.nickice said:
Or a one time vaccine shot with the knowledge that it won't protect you but will mean you get mild disease and then boosters for the more vulnerable (if that even works). That means waiting for a vaccine, though.kingstongraham said:But if those of us who have already had it get exposed to it naturally every few months, couldn't that potentially boost the immunity without major symptoms? Those who are at risk get vaccinated with boosters when needed.
To be honest, I'd take being infected with another coronavirus to have cross-immunity (if I don't already have it) especially that I'm very likely to catch it at work given how many people I interact with. It might be unethical but it beats getting severe disease. Idea for a start-up....1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I was just thinking that my cycle commuting and self congratulation on avoiding catching any colds from the public on transport isn't looking so smart nowrjsterry said:
Finally all those colds that the minions bring home from school are useful for something.nickice said:
Or a one time vaccine shot with the knowledge that it won't protect you but will mean you get mild disease and then boosters for the more vulnerable (if that even works). That means waiting for a vaccine, though.kingstongraham said:But if those of us who have already had it get exposed to it naturally every few months, couldn't that potentially boost the immunity without major symptoms? Those who are at risk get vaccinated with boosters when needed.
To be honest, I'd take being infected with another coronavirus to have cross-immunity (if I don't already have it) especially that I'm very likely to catch it at work given how many people I interact with. It might be unethical but it beats getting severe disease. Idea for a start-up....0 -
Whether this is the effect.of the virus or the body's own immune system seems unclear. If the latter, then although not good news at least it can be mitigated in future.rick_chasey said:0 -
Unethical for whoever is deliberately infecting me though.kingstongraham said:
If that works, I wouldn't say it's unethical. Better than catching this censored .nickice said:
Or a one time vaccine shot with the knowledge that it won't protect you but will mean you get mild disease and then boosters for the more vulnerable (if that even works). That means waiting for a vaccine, though.kingstongraham said:But if those of us who have already had it get exposed to it naturally every few months, couldn't that potentially boost the immunity without major symptoms? Those who are at risk get vaccinated with boosters when needed.
To be honest, I'd take being infected with another coronavirus to have cross-immunity (if I don't already have it) especially that I'm very likely to catch it at work given how many people I interact with. It might be unethical but it beats getting severe disease. Idea for a start-up....0 -
I do find it remarkable how little is still known about it and how it affects the body.First.Aspect said:
Whether this is the effect.of the virus or the body's own immune system seems unclear. If the latter, then although not good news at least it can be mitigated in future.rick_chasey said:0 -
It has been known for a while that it's a disease of the endothelium.rick_chasey said:
I do find it remarkable how little is still known about it and how it affects the body.First.Aspect said:
Whether this is the effect.of the virus or the body's own immune system seems unclear. If the latter, then although not good news at least it can be mitigated in future.rick_chasey said:0 -
Non-sequiturnickice said:
It has been known for a while that it's a disease of the endothelium.rick_chasey said:
I do find it remarkable how little is still known about it and how it affects the body.First.Aspect said:
Whether this is the effect.of the virus or the body's own immune system seems unclear. If the latter, then although not good news at least it can be mitigated in future.rick_chasey said:0 -
You're posting sky news links about it affecting the whole body but this is not particularly new information. Do you know what the endothelium is?rick_chasey said:
Non-sequiturnickice said:
It has been known for a while that it's a disease of the endothelium.rick_chasey said:
I do find it remarkable how little is still known about it and how it affects the body.First.Aspect said:
Whether this is the effect.of the virus or the body's own immune system seems unclear. If the latter, then although not good news at least it can be mitigated in future.rick_chasey said:0 -
It was one of the early postulates, you are right; at least in part to try to explain these wide ranging symptoms. Still a long way from "known" though Nick.nickice said:
You're posting sky news links about it affecting the whole body but this is not particularly new information. Do you know what the endothelium is?rick_chasey said:
Non-sequiturnickice said:
It has been known for a while that it's a disease of the endothelium.rick_chasey said:
I do find it remarkable how little is still known about it and how it affects the body.First.Aspect said:
Whether this is the effect.of the virus or the body's own immune system seems unclear. If the latter, then although not good news at least it can be mitigated in future.rick_chasey said:
Another explanation is that a lot of these symptoms are a result of the body attacking itself - which also seems to be relatively well documented in some of the fatalities. So why not the severe cases also?0 -
That information has been out there for weeks. I posted it here quite a while agoFirst.Aspect said:
It was one of the early postulates, you are right; at least in part to try to explain these wide ranging symptoms. Still a long way from "known" though Nick.nickice said:
You're posting sky news links about it affecting the whole body but this is not particularly new information. Do you know what the endothelium is?rick_chasey said:
Non-sequiturnickice said:
It has been known for a while that it's a disease of the endothelium.rick_chasey said:
I do find it remarkable how little is still known about it and how it affects the body.First.Aspect said:
Whether this is the effect.of the virus or the body's own immune system seems unclear. If the latter, then although not good news at least it can be mitigated in future.rick_chasey said:
Another explanation is that a lot of these symptoms are a result of the body attacking itself - which also seems to be relatively well documented in some of the fatalities. So why not the severe cases also?0 -
@nickice you were definitely posting this in May, if not April.nickice said:
That information has been out there for weeks. I posted it here quite a while agoFirst.Aspect said:
It was one of the early postulates, you are right; at least in part to try to explain these wide ranging symptoms. Still a long way from "known" though Nick.nickice said:
You're posting sky news links about it affecting the whole body but this is not particularly new information. Do you know what the endothelium is?rick_chasey said:
Non-sequiturnickice said:
It has been known for a while that it's a disease of the endothelium.rick_chasey said:
I do find it remarkable how little is still known about it and how it affects the body.First.Aspect said:
Whether this is the effect.of the virus or the body's own immune system seems unclear. If the latter, then although not good news at least it can be mitigated in future.rick_chasey said:
Another explanation is that a lot of these symptoms are a result of the body attacking itself - which also seems to be relatively well documented in some of the fatalities. So why not the severe cases also?
Some people just don't want learn about the virus and would prefer to try and maintain hysteria so they can justify them irrationality of being scared.0 -
I was posting it before you as well. The point is that no one actually knows yet, so you are in danger of being over-definitive.nickice said:
That information has been out there for weeks. I posted it here quite a while agoFirst.Aspect said:
It was one of the early postulates, you are right; at least in part to try to explain these wide ranging symptoms. Still a long way from "known" though Nick.nickice said:
You're posting sky news links about it affecting the whole body but this is not particularly new information. Do you know what the endothelium is?rick_chasey said:
Non-sequiturnickice said:
It has been known for a while that it's a disease of the endothelium.rick_chasey said:
I do find it remarkable how little is still known about it and how it affects the body.First.Aspect said:
Whether this is the effect.of the virus or the body's own immune system seems unclear. If the latter, then although not good news at least it can be mitigated in future.rick_chasey said:
Another explanation is that a lot of these symptoms are a result of the body attacking itself - which also seems to be relatively well documented in some of the fatalities. So why not the severe cases also?0 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53392148
Winter wave of coronavirus 'could be worse than first'
I'm looking forward to how the media and the lockdown loonies are going to twist themselves in knots over this, at the same time as criticising the Swedish approach.
This one should play out over the next 8 months, as the two top Swedish epidemiologists predicted.0 -
When was that then and why does it matter?First.Aspect said:
I was posting it before you as well. The point is that no one actually knows yet, so you are in danger of being over-definitive.nickice said:
That information has been out there for weeks. I posted it here quite a while agoFirst.Aspect said:
It was one of the early postulates, you are right; at least in part to try to explain these wide ranging symptoms. Still a long way from "known" though Nick.nickice said:
You're posting sky news links about it affecting the whole body but this is not particularly new information. Do you know what the endothelium is?rick_chasey said:
Non-sequiturnickice said:
It has been known for a while that it's a disease of the endothelium.rick_chasey said:
I do find it remarkable how little is still known about it and how it affects the body.First.Aspect said:
Whether this is the effect.of the virus or the body's own immune system seems unclear. If the latter, then although not good news at least it can be mitigated in future.rick_chasey said:
Another explanation is that a lot of these symptoms are a result of the body attacking itself - which also seems to be relatively well documented in some of the fatalities. So why not the severe cases also?0 -
Some people have had plenty of time to do some basic reading on this, but haven't.coopster_the_1st said:
@nickice you were definitely posting this in May, if not April.nickice said:
That information has been out there for weeks. I posted it here quite a while agoFirst.Aspect said:
It was one of the early postulates, you are right; at least in part to try to explain these wide ranging symptoms. Still a long way from "known" though Nick.nickice said:
You're posting sky news links about it affecting the whole body but this is not particularly new information. Do you know what the endothelium is?rick_chasey said:
Non-sequiturnickice said:
It has been known for a while that it's a disease of the endothelium.rick_chasey said:
I do find it remarkable how little is still known about it and how it affects the body.First.Aspect said:
Whether this is the effect.of the virus or the body's own immune system seems unclear. If the latter, then although not good news at least it can be mitigated in future.rick_chasey said:
Another explanation is that a lot of these symptoms are a result of the body attacking itself - which also seems to be relatively well documented in some of the fatalities. So why not the severe cases also?
Some people just don't want learn about the virus and would prefer to try and maintain hysteria so they can justify them irrationality of being scared.1 -
This you?coopster_the_1st said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53392148
Winter wave of coronavirus 'could be worse than first'
I'm looking forward to how the media and the lockdown loonies are going to twist themselves in knots over this, at the same time as criticising the Swedish approach.
This one should play out over the next 8 months, as the two top Swedish epidemiologists predicted.coopster_the_1st said:The hysteria yesterday was the long term effects to a miniscule minority of those infected. Today, it's the 120k C19 deaths over the winter.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Can you explain to me why you think Sweden's approach means they are not going to get a bad second wave? Based on the deaths per million so far of Sweden (548) and the UK (660), if it is just the numbers game you predicted at the start, they've got further to go than us.coopster_the_1st said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53392148
Winter wave of coronavirus 'could be worse than first'
I'm looking forward to how the media and the lockdown loonies are going to twist themselves in knots over this, at the same time as criticising the Swedish approach.
This one should play out over the next 8 months, as the two top Swedish epidemiologists predicted.0 -
Total all cause deaths for week to 3rd July is 43 below 5 year average.
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I think this graph is possibly what has got the government worried and prompted the mask announcement. Once you lose control, it really goes.
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What countries are the other dodgy looking lines on there? I assume one of them is Brazil but there's another two at least on a sharp upward trajectory even if they're a bit lower in numbers.0
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India and South AfricaPross said:What countries are the other dodgy looking lines on there? I assume one of them is Brazil but there's another two at least on a sharp upward trajectory even if they're a bit lower in numbers.
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I saw a good chart that plotted that line against deaths too, which made for interesting reading.kingstongraham said:I think this graph is possibly what has got the government worried and prompted the mask announcement. Once you lose control, it really goes.
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Unless there's a statistical anomaly, the days since 6th July look bad. Hopefully it won't be, but this might be a warning.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=eur&areas=usa&areas=gbr&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=ustx&cumulative=0&logScale=0&perMillion=0&values=cases0 -
Does Trump think they are polling numbers?kingstongraham said:I think this graph is possibly what has got the government worried and prompted the mask announcement. Once you lose control, it really goes.
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World leaders, right?First.Aspect said:
Does Trump think they are polling numbers?kingstongraham said:I think this graph is possibly what has got the government worried and prompted the mask announcement. Once you lose control, it really goes.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0