The big Coronavirus thread
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Yes, if you were waiting for test results and went down the pub, you're a d1ck.1
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How long do test results take these days in the UK? Was targeted for 24 hours not long ago, think it might generally be pretty quick.
USA is going the wrong way on that too by the sounds.0 -
It took 48 hours for one of the England cricket team to get his result, which was the same as my neighbour.kingstongraham said:How long do test results take these days in the UK? Was targeted for 24 hours not long ago, think it might generally be pretty quick.
USA is going the wrong way on that too by the sounds.
Do we have to add a day for it being the weekend?
So, either they had their tests the day before, or else nipped down the pub straight after getting the test.
Either way, what a pair of complete ar$eholes."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
That's a lot of plastic for Greta to get angry aboutrick_chasey said:
However, the MSM are a week late to this. Quelle surprise. Here are further relevant costs
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Did anyone else read that as Bendover instead of BenClover as they quickly skimmed it?
No?
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I must admit it was the 15 billion which got passed my PPE.0
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My goodness and I thought we had idiots in charge.
I see that Queen Nicola of Scotland intends retaining quarantine rules for Spain.
She warned that people should not seek to "get around" the restrictions by travelling via English airports.
Good luck with that one.
She says it's because the current infection rate for Spain is 3 times higher than the UK as a whole, but doesn't draw any conclusion from the fact that England's infection rate is approximately 6 times higher than Scotland!
Plus the Canaries are also included in the quarantine because apparently she didn't know the figures.
Well, Lanzarote has zero cases and there were just 22 cases in 14 days throughout the Islands. (The Balearics aren't much worse)
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I can see that his PPE bill must be on the high side.ballysmate said:Did anyone else read that as Bendover instead of BenClover as they quickly skimmed it?
No?
Just me then.0 -
What rate are.you talking about? Rate of newly identified cases, or estimated infections in community. Because the latter is about 1.5 times higher in England.blazing_saddles said:My goodness and I thought we had idiots in charge.
I see that Queen Nicola of Scotland intends retaining quarantine rules for Spain.
She warned that people should not seek to "get around" the restrictions by travelling via English airports.
Good luck with that one.
She says it's because the current infection rate for Spain is 3 times higher than the UK as a whole, but doesn't draw any conclusion from the fact that England's infection rate is approximately 6 times higher than Scotland!
Plus the Canaries are also included in the quarantine because apparently she didn't know the figures.
Well, Lanzarote has zero cases and there were just 22 cases in 14 days throughout the Islands. (The Balearics aren't much worse)
Not sure about the former. How much of the cross border outbreak was England's fault? All of it I guess she would say.0 -
Sorry. This is what was said as quoted from the article.First.Aspect said:
What rate are.you talking about? Rate of newly identified cases, or estimated infections in community. Because the latter is about 1.5 times higher in England.blazing_saddles said:My goodness and I thought we had idiots in charge.
I see that Queen Nicola of Scotland intends retaining quarantine rules for Spain.
She warned that people should not seek to "get around" the restrictions by travelling via English airports.
Good luck with that one.
She says it's because the current infection rate for Spain is 3 times higher than the UK as a whole, but doesn't draw any conclusion from the fact that England's infection rate is approximately 6 times higher than Scotland!
Plus the Canaries are also included in the quarantine because apparently she didn't know the figures.
Well, Lanzarote has zero cases and there were just 22 cases in 14 days throughout the Islands. (The Balearics aren't much worse)
Not sure about the former. How much of the cross border outbreak was England's fault? All of it I guess she would say.
She said it was estimated that for every 100,000 people in Scotland, 28 currently have coronavirus. She said this compared to 128 across the UK as a whole, and about 330 in Spain.
So, not 6 times but around 5 times, given Wales and NI are low.
Don't know where her figures come from or why she felt the need to reference the UK as a whole."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Latest ONS data for England is about 1 in 2200 people.
Last time there were actual figures mentioned in Scotland's daily bulletin, last Thursday, I calculated it at just shy of 1 in 3000.
I can't find any data on the Scottish government website. But since the England data was up to 2 July, something about the "5x" claim seems extremely fishy to me.0 -
Put it another way, for the claim to be correct there would need to be fewer than 400 people in the entire of Scotland currently infected.0
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I never questioned the numbers, but now you come to mention it, I call bullpoo on the Spanish stats, too. That comes out at about 150,000 current coronavirus cases.First.Aspect said:Latest ONS data for England is about 1 in 2200 people.
Last time there were actual figures mentioned in Scotland's daily bulletin, last Thursday, I calculated it at just shy of 1 in 3000.
I can't find any data on the Scottish government website. But since the England data was up to 2 July, something about the "5x" claim seems extremely fishy to me.
Whichever way you cut it, Spain's figures make for a lot better reading than the UK's.
I notice she used the word "estimate". Maybe a better word would be creative.
Anyhow, it's another debatable piece of BBC reporting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53336489"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Okay, so the SNP's "5 x" figure for England (and Wales?) is based on an estimated prevalence in the population of 1 in 768. The ONS says 1 in 2200.blazing_saddles said:
I never questioned the numbers, but now you come to mention it, I call bullpoo on the Spanish stats, too. That comes out at about 150,000 current coronavirus cases.First.Aspect said:Latest ONS data for England is about 1 in 2200 people.
Last time there were actual figures mentioned in Scotland's daily bulletin, last Thursday, I calculated it at just shy of 1 in 3000.
I can't find any data on the Scottish government website. But since the England data was up to 2 July, something about the "5x" claim seems extremely fishy to me.
Whichever way you cut it, Spain's figures make for a lot better reading than the UK's.
I notice she used the word "estimate". Maybe a better word would be creative.
Anyhow, it's another debatable piece of BBC reporting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53336489
I think the SNP are using the edge of the 95% confidence limit for England, and the middle for Scotland.
I absolutely hate politicians. They are all basically liars.0 -
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
NY Times on "Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale"This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
Now, I appreciate I have a horse in this, but I guess it's worth reitterating.Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself.
ie. Pandemics Depress the Economy, Public Health Interventions Do Not0 -
Yeah.rick_chasey said:Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself.
ie. Pandemics Depress the Economy, Public Health Interventions Do Not
Shops reopened here the other week. We went into town and there was hardly anyone out.
Things are pretty quiet at work too.0 -
How's the opposite approach working out for Melbourne?rick_chasey said:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
NY Times on "Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale"This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
Now, I appreciate I have a horse in this, but I guess it's worth reitterating.Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself.
ie. Pandemics Depress the Economy, Public Health Interventions Do Not
A lot of supposedly intelligent, highly educated people, like the person above, will be denying they ever criticised the Swedish approach in Spring 20210 -
And again you are judging the long term outcome at an (undetermined) mid point.rick_chasey said:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
NY Times on "Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale"This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
Now, I appreciate I have a horse in this, but I guess it's worth reitterating.Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself.
ie. Pandemics Depress the Economy, Public Health Interventions Do Not
They could be right or wrong. Nobody, literally nobody knows the final outcome.0 -
If Sweden is a cautionary tale, what's New York?rick_chasey said:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
NY Times on "Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale"This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
Now, I appreciate I have a horse in this, but I guess it's worth reitterating.Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself.
ie. Pandemics Depress the Economy, Public Health Interventions Do Not0 -
Australia probably relatively happy so far with their 4 deaths per million against Sweden's 540. Especially with Melbourne in their winter, which as you often say, is probably a high risk time to be having a major outbreak.0
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I don't think the virus really cares about which method is used.0
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Interesting from that article: "older people — those over 70 — reduced their spending more in Sweden than in Denmark, perhaps concerned that the business-as-usual circumstances made going out especially risky."
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Sure.TheBigBean said:
If Sweden is a cautionary tale, what's New York?rick_chasey said:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
NY Times on "Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale"This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
Now, I appreciate I have a horse in this, but I guess it's worth reitterating.Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself.
ie. Pandemics Depress the Economy, Public Health Interventions Do Not
I mean, I know you're a fan of pointing out whataboutery...
What's wrong with the reasoning in the article?0 -
Another.TheBigBean said:
If Sweden is a cautionary tale, what's New York?rick_chasey said:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
NY Times on "Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale"This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
Now, I appreciate I have a horse in this, but I guess it's worth reitterating.Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself.
ie. Pandemics Depress the Economy, Public Health Interventions Do Not0 -
it required me to register to read which is a step too far. I know it is a national paper, but it seemed odd for a paper with New York in its name to ignore the more local example. Call it whataboutery if it makes you happy.rick_chasey said:
Sure.TheBigBean said:
If Sweden is a cautionary tale, what's New York?rick_chasey said:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
NY Times on "Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale"This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
Now, I appreciate I have a horse in this, but I guess it's worth reitterating.Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself.
ie. Pandemics Depress the Economy, Public Health Interventions Do Not
I mean, I know you're a fan of pointing out whataboutery...
What's wrong with the reasoning in the article?
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Maybe they are addressing the whataboutery there?TheBigBean said:
it required me to register to read which is a step too far. I know it is a national paper, but it seemed odd for a paper with New York in its name to ignore the more local example. Call it whataboutery if it makes you happy.rick_chasey said:
Sure.TheBigBean said:
If Sweden is a cautionary tale, what's New York?rick_chasey said:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
NY Times on "Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale"This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
Now, I appreciate I have a horse in this, but I guess it's worth reitterating.Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself.
ie. Pandemics Depress the Economy, Public Health Interventions Do Not
I mean, I know you're a fan of pointing out whataboutery...
What's wrong with the reasoning in the article?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
If I was going to ask someone to triple check if my quarantine has ended early tomorrow is there a way I could do it..?
As it is I think it may be sensible not to take the piss so I'll go shopping in a mask and go for a walk on my own but I won't go out on the lash or to any meat processing plants....
(Given that the whole thing is complete b0ll0x anyway I think that's showing rather more 'common sense' than Johnson deserves...)We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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You're supposed to still be in quarantine.ddraver said:If I was going to ask someone to triple check if my quarantine has ended early tomorrow is there a way I could do it..?
As it is I think it may be sensible not to take the piss so I'll go shopping in a mask and go for a walk on my own but I won't go out on the lash or to any meat processing plants....
(Given that the whole thing is complete b0ll0x anyway I think that's showing rather more 'common sense' than Johnson deserves...)0 -
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/why-covid-death-rate-down/613945/COVID-19 Cases Are Rising, So Why Are Deaths Flatlining?
The gap between soaring cases and falling deaths is being weaponized by the right to claim a hollow victory in the face of shameless failure. What’s really going on?The gap between spiking cases and falling-then-flatlining deaths has become the latest partisan flashpoint.
What is going on.0
