Tour de France 2023 build up
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Combination of numbers and form I’d have thought.blazing_saddles said:
If it’s purely a numbers game, Michael Matthews has won four.andyp said:
Groenewegen has won five Tour stages in his career, Simon Yates has won two.blazing_saddles said:hanshotfirst said:Jayco and Wanty announce their teams
Would love to see Girmay get a stage or two.
10 years uninterrupted service for the Australian team and all Simon Yates is worth is Chris Harper.
All in for stage wins from Dylan Groenewegen is the polar opposite approach to GroupamaFDJ and Gaudu.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
In the three Tours Yates has finished, he's managed 89th, 7th, and 49th. It's not the record of someone that deserves having a whole team built around him.1
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I never suggested that.phreak said:In the three Tours Yates has finished, he's managed 89th, 7th, and 49th. It's not the record of someone that deserves having a whole team built around him.
I just thought that he might merit one extra mountain domestique at the expense of one less train driver.
Clearly others disagree and besides, Jayco aren't exactly packed with climbing talent."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
I'd have thought his best hope would be to hunt for stages tbh so he probably wouldn't need too much help for that. He's surely not going there for GC?blazing_saddles said:
I never suggested that.phreak said:In the three Tours Yates has finished, he's managed 89th, 7th, and 49th. It's not the record of someone that deserves having a whole team built around him.
I just thought that he might merit one extra mountain domestique at the expense of one less train driver.
Clearly others disagree and besides, Jayco aren't exactly packed with climbing talent.0 -
phreak said:
I'd have thought his best hope would be to hunt for stages tbh so he probably wouldn't need too much help for that. He's surely not going there for GC?blazing_saddles said:
I never suggested that.phreak said:In the three Tours Yates has finished, he's managed 89th, 7th, and 49th. It's not the record of someone that deserves having a whole team built around him.
I just thought that he might merit one extra mountain domestique at the expense of one less train driver.
Clearly others disagree and besides, Jayco aren't exactly packed with climbing talent.
Given the time gaps behind Vingegaard and Pogacar last year, (4th place was almost 14 minutes behind) I would think everybody else's best hope would be to hunt for stages and hope to somehow finish up on the bottom rung of the podium."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.1 -
Team JV:
Jonas Vingegaard
WvA
Dylan van Baarle
Tiesj Benoot
Christophe Laporte
Sepp Kuss
Wilco Kelderman
Nathan Van Hooydonck0 -
Christ that's some teamr0bh said:Team JV:
Jonas Vingegaard
WvA
Dylan van Baarle
Tiesj Benoot
Christophe Laporte
Sepp Kuss
Wilco Kelderman
Nathan Van HooydonckNapoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.2 -
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That's pretty strong too and possibly more mountain focussed?0
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UAE's more focussed on only one goal.0
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You think? I don't read the Jumbo team that way.kingstongraham said:UAE's more focussed on only one goal.
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UAE don't have any equivalent of Laporte.rick_chasey said:
You think? I don't read the Jumbo team that way.kingstongraham said:UAE's more focussed on only one goal.
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Quite a few 'Classics' riders in there but a few of them (notably DVB) have shown previous ability in mountain train type scenarios then there's WVA who manages to do a strong domestique role whilst also chasing stages and green.rick_chasey said:
You think? I don't read the Jumbo team that way.kingstongraham said:UAE's more focussed on only one goal.
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Rouleurs are an important part of a GC tilt IMO.
The biggest threat is mr GT wrecking ball himself WvA heads off halfway through to attend the birth of his child.1 -
New jersey for team Cav
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Ineos:
Egan Bernal
Jonathan Castroviejo
Omar Fraile
Michal Kwiatkowski
Daniel Martinez
Tom Pidcock
Carlos Rodriguez
Ben Turner0 -
Either Bernal has been disguising his recovery or that is a whole lot of breakaway riders. Time lost in the first few days will be the giveaway.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
They are going for 3rd on the podium then. Mark my words. 😉andyp said:
They'll go for GC with a quadrant of Bernal, Martinez, Pidcock and Rodriguez. Mark my words.pblakeney said:Either Bernal has been disguising his recovery or that is a whole lot of breakaway riders. Time lost in the first few days will be the giveaway.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
More likely to end up 5th, 8th, 9th and 13th.1
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And, unsurprisingly, Cavendish is in the Astana line up:
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IMO Giro team > Tour team.r0bh said:Ineos:
Egan Bernal
Jonathan Castroviejo
Omar Fraile
Michal Kwiatkowski
Daniel Martinez
Tom Pidcock
Carlos Rodriguez
Ben Turner"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Maybe this has to do with neither Pogačar nor Vingegaard going to the Giro...blazing_saddles said:
IMO Giro team > Tour team.r0bh said:Ineos:
Egan Bernal
Jonathan Castroviejo
Omar Fraile
Michal Kwiatkowski
Daniel Martinez
Tom Pidcock
Carlos Rodriguez
Ben Turner1 -
God I hope neither of the big two has an accident. There's a decent battle for the other podium spot, but they seem a fair way back.
The sprints are mouth watering, and the "that kind of stage" stages are going to be immense with MVDP, WVA and Girmay all in this year.0 -
Pidcock is going in under cooked [with a altitude camp ?] Might get interesting if he hits good numbers mid racer0bh said:Ineos:
Egan Bernal
Jonathan Castroviejo
Omar Fraile
Michal Kwiatkowski
Daniel Martinez
Tom Pidcock
Carlos Rodriguez
Ben Turner"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1 -
But that’s as good as it can get anyway. A quartet make it more unlikely.pblakeney said:
They are going for 3rd on the podium then. Mark my words. 😉andyp said:
They'll go for GC with a quadrant of Bernal, Martinez, Pidcock and Rodriguez. Mark my words.pblakeney said:Either Bernal has been disguising his recovery or that is a whole lot of breakaway riders. Time lost in the first few days will be the giveaway.
They’ll be down to one or two a few days in.0 -
Tbh I don't care who wins the tour as much as I do cav getting a stageandyp said:And, unsurprisingly, Cavendish is in the Astana line up:
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm5
