Tour de France 2023 build up
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Both didn't start winning consistently at the highest level until they were 29/30 either.RichN95. said:phreak said:
Obviously not in terms of his overall palmares, but my point was that Simoni always looked the dogs nuts in the Giro and then stank the place out in the Tour. Zulle, Rominger, Jalabert et al have all done well in the Giro/Vuelta but fallen well short in the Tour. People are saying that Remco is already in the same group as Pog and JV, I'm just saying that he has a lot to prove before being spoken of in that bracket imo.andyp said:Are we really comparing Evenepoel to Gilberto Simoni? He's already got a more impressive palmares and is just 23, and lost a significant part of his nascent career to a major injury.
Talking of Rominger, it's remarkable how closely his and Roglic's palmares currently match up.
3 Vuelta wins each
1 Giro win each
Best at Tour: 2nd
Tour stages 3 each
Big one week races - 9 wins each
Giro stages 5 v 4
Vuelta stages 13 v 10
Monuments 2 v 1
(Rominger's numbers first)
Of course Roglic still has plenty left in him
I wonder if Roglic fancies a go at the hour record, he's got as much track pedigree as Rominger...0 -
Tony could sport the cap ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm1
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Rominger also broked the world hour record. Not sure if that is counted in his palmares.RichN95. said:phreak said:
Obviously not in terms of his overall palmares, but my point was that Simoni always looked the dogs nuts in the Giro and then stank the place out in the Tour. Zulle, Rominger, Jalabert et al have all done well in the Giro/Vuelta but fallen well short in the Tour. People are saying that Remco is already in the same group as Pog and JV, I'm just saying that he has a lot to prove before being spoken of in that bracket imo.andyp said:Are we really comparing Evenepoel to Gilberto Simoni? He's already got a more impressive palmares and is just 23, and lost a significant part of his nascent career to a major injury.
Talking of Rominger, it's remarkable how closely his and Roglic's palmares currently match up.
3 Vuelta wins each
1 Giro win each
Best at Tour: 2nd
Tour stages 3 each
Big one week races - 9 wins each
Giro stages 5 v 4
Vuelta stages 13 v 10
Monuments 2 v 1
(Rominger's numbers first)
Of course Roglic still has plenty left in him0 -
It's a shame how things have panned out for Bernal.
I'd have put him in the top tier“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!3 -
Everyone would have, pre-crash. There’s a lesson for all looking at a long career in there.tailwindhome said:It's a shame how things have panned out for Bernal.
I'd have put him in the top tierThe above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
True.mididoctors said:Tony could sport the cap .
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Rominger seemed to wear one as a normal person might, whereas Indurain went full luft.mididoctors said:Tony could sport the cap .
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phreak said:
Rominger seemed to wear one as a normal person might, whereas Indurain went full luft.mididoctors said:Tony could sport the cap .
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
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Which was a problem for Rominger.rick_chasey said:Wasn’t luft all about demonstrating you had great hair?
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Exactlyandyp said:
Which was a problem for Rominger.rick_chasey said:Wasn’t luft all about demonstrating you had great hair?
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tailwindhome said:
It's a shame how things have panned out for Bernal.
I'd have put him in the top tier
Personally I could only see him being a rung below Pog/Jonas - couldn't see him finding enough in the mountains to overcome the deficits he'd see in the TTs0 -
I think that was the original thing, but it became the defacto style. I mean Marco didn't have much to shout about folliclyrick_chasey said:Wasn’t luft all about demonstrating you had great hair?
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FDJ not taking Demare.
Maybe they see something in Gaudu that isn't obvious to anyone who watches cycling. Or just enjoy not being involved in loads of stages.0 -
IIRC from my PTP picks Demare was often involved but rarely won.kingstongraham said:FDJ not taking Demare.
Maybe they see something in Gaudu that isn't obvious to anyone who watches cycling. Or just enjoy not being involved in loads of stages.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
We have no idea if Gaudu came into the Dauphine carrying a lot of fatigue or not, i.e. it was part of a heavy training block to prepare him for the Tour.kingstongraham said:FDJ not taking Demare.
Maybe they see something in Gaudu that isn't obvious to anyone who watches cycling. Or just enjoy not being involved in loads of stages.
The team obviously have confidence in him, and team cohesion is important so not bringing Demare, who we know doesn't get on with Gaudu, seems like the logical move. It's not as if Demare has been making their job hard by winning lots of races this year. He's won two sh*tty little races so far.
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When there's 8 potential sprint stages, I just think maybe they should hedge their bets a bit when the main options are Pinot and Gaudu.
Or they should take Lenny.0 -
Demare has ridden five Tours and won two stages, the last in 2018. I don't think including him is worth the tension it'd bring to the team.
Martinez is nineteen, let's allow him to mature a bit as a rider first.0 -
(that bit wasn't serious, but he's going to be a star)andyp said:
Martinez is nineteen, let's allow him to mature a bit as a rider first.
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Madiot not got his thinking cap on here - the Gaudu V Demare internal rivalry would have made a cracking episode of the next TdF UnchainedWarning No formatter is installed for the format0
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He could put on a growth spurt that nearly doubles his weight thoughkingstongraham said:
(that bit wasn't serious, but he's going to be a star)andyp said:
Martinez is nineteen, let's allow him to mature a bit as a rider first.Warning No formatter is installed for the format1 -
Did really well at the giro back a whilepblakeney said:
IIRC from my PTP picks Demare was often involved but rarely won.kingstongraham said:FDJ not taking Demare.
Maybe they see something in Gaudu that isn't obvious to anyone who watches cycling. Or just enjoy not being involved in loads of stages."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Three stages and the points jersey last year. Four stages in 2020.mididoctors said:
Did really well at the giro back a whilepblakeney said:
IIRC from my PTP picks Demare was often involved but rarely won.kingstongraham said:FDJ not taking Demare.
Maybe they see something in Gaudu that isn't obvious to anyone who watches cycling. Or just enjoy not being involved in loads of stages.
He's only done the Tour three times. Last time in 2018. He's won a stage the last two times.Twitter: @RichN950 -
I did say IIRC. 😂mididoctors said:
Did really well at the giro back a whilepblakeney said:
IIRC from my PTP picks Demare was often involved but rarely won.kingstongraham said:FDJ not taking Demare.
Maybe they see something in Gaudu that isn't obvious to anyone who watches cycling. Or just enjoy not being involved in loads of stages.
Three stages was probably why I picked him for the wrong stages. 😉 2020 is 3 years ago so….The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Demare rode the Tour in 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018 and 2021. He won a stage in both 2017 and 2018.RichN95. said:
Three stages and the points jersey last year. Four stages in 2020.mididoctors said:
Did really well at the giro back a whilepblakeney said:
IIRC from my PTP picks Demare was often involved but rarely won.kingstongraham said:FDJ not taking Demare.
Maybe they see something in Gaudu that isn't obvious to anyone who watches cycling. Or just enjoy not being involved in loads of stages.
He's only done the Tour three times. Last time in 2018. He's won a stage the last two times.0 -
Rich with all the statsRichN95. said:
Three stages and the points jersey last year. Four stages in 2020.mididoctors said:
Did really well at the giro back a whilepblakeney said:
IIRC from my PTP picks Demare was often involved but rarely won.kingstongraham said:FDJ not taking Demare.
Maybe they see something in Gaudu that isn't obvious to anyone who watches cycling. Or just enjoy not being involved in loads of stages.
He's only done the Tour three times. Last time in 2018. He's won a stage the last two times.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Except they are wrong.mididoctors said:
Rich with all the statsRichN95. said:
Three stages and the points jersey last year. Four stages in 2020.mididoctors said:
Did really well at the giro back a whilepblakeney said:
IIRC from my PTP picks Demare was often involved but rarely won.kingstongraham said:FDJ not taking Demare.
Maybe they see something in Gaudu that isn't obvious to anyone who watches cycling. Or just enjoy not being involved in loads of stages.
He's only done the Tour three times. Last time in 2018. He's won a stage the last two times.0 -
Think Rich may have forgotten that DNFs can happenandyp said:
Except they are wrong.mididoctors said:
Rich with all the statsRichN95. said:
Three stages and the points jersey last year. Four stages in 2020.mididoctors said:
Did really well at the giro back a whilepblakeney said:
IIRC from my PTP picks Demare was often involved but rarely won.kingstongraham said:FDJ not taking Demare.
Maybe they see something in Gaudu that isn't obvious to anyone who watches cycling. Or just enjoy not being involved in loads of stages.
He's only done the Tour three times. Last time in 2018. He's won a stage the last two times.Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
So what's the plan for Ineos in this Tour then? I'm guessing ride on the front all the time and then never win anything.3
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Bernal has been riding some of the route, so I guess hope for the best. I'd be surprised if he had enough.mrb123 said:So what's the plan for Ineos in this Tour then? I'm guessing ride on the front all the time and then never win anything.
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