S*** Small Races Thread - 2022

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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,701
    Now Ethan Hayter has taken the lead in Poland after today’s ITT.

    Arsenman won the stage with Ineos’s Magnus Sheffield finishing second.
    Hayter took the third spot which was good enough to secure the leader’s jersey with just the Krakow sprint stage remaining.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,701
    roscoe said:

    mididoctors said:

    G ..... Story of his life . Good watch

    Not a great day at all for the "Ineos" boys. Plapp mechanical, G off then Bigham off.
    On the contrary, it’s been a very good day for the Ineos boys taking part in races that qualify for this thread.

    Not sure an ITT in the Commie games makes the grade here.
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  • r0bh
    r0bh Posts: 2,382
    What category is below a "S*** small race"?
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    Sh*tty chipper races.
  • wakemalcolm
    wakemalcolm Posts: 825
    Can somebody bring up Iain Forfar's race classification diagram explainer please?
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  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,447
    wakemalcolm said:

    Can somebody bring up Iain Forfar's race classification diagram explainer please?

    I'll ask him for a categorisation update on Twitter.
  • wakemalcolm
    wakemalcolm Posts: 825

    Needs updating. Commonwealth Games does appear to be sub-chipper.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,701
    Maybe just a single chip event?
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,148
    jdee84 said:

    The pundit on BBC said Dennis knows how to prioritise these big events (CW ITT), Massive it is! He apparently gave up going to the tour to prepare for it according to her. Is it not more just he's been a problem on any team he's been at and that's more why he wasn't at the tour.

    The BBC always overplay what a big thing the CG is presumably as a) it harks back to the days of teh Empire when the BBC was a big thing and b) it is one of the few sproting events they still hold the rights to. There are some events that are truly world class and others less so (then others where no-one outside the Commonwealth has even heard of the sport!). Being in the same year as an athletics World Championships doesn't help it with some of the events that would otherwise have a world class field.
  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,570
    Pross said:

    jdee84 said:

    The pundit on BBC said Dennis knows how to prioritise these big events (CW ITT), Massive it is! He apparently gave up going to the tour to prepare for it according to her. Is it not more just he's been a problem on any team he's been at and that's more why he wasn't at the tour.

    The BBC always overplay what a big thing the CG is presumably as a) it harks back to the days of teh Empire when the BBC was a big thing and b) it is one of the few sproting events they still hold the rights to. There are some events that are truly world class and others less so (then others where no-one outside the Commonwealth has even heard of the sport!). Being in the same year as an athletics World Championships doesn't help it with some of the events that would otherwise have a world class field.
    I do feel the BBC feel a responsibility to promote the event. They do a good job of it too.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,148
    gsk82 said:

    Pross said:

    jdee84 said:

    The pundit on BBC said Dennis knows how to prioritise these big events (CW ITT), Massive it is! He apparently gave up going to the tour to prepare for it according to her. Is it not more just he's been a problem on any team he's been at and that's more why he wasn't at the tour.

    The BBC always overplay what a big thing the CG is presumably as a) it harks back to the days of teh Empire when the BBC was a big thing and b) it is one of the few sproting events they still hold the rights to. There are some events that are truly world class and others less so (then others where no-one outside the Commonwealth has even heard of the sport!). Being in the same year as an athletics World Championships doesn't help it with some of the events that would otherwise have a world class field.
    I do feel the BBC feel a responsibility to promote the event. They do a good job of it too.
    There are certainly host countries of multi-games events and various sports' World Championships that can learn from them.

  • andyp
    andyp Posts: 10,447
    wakemalcolm said:


    Needs updating. Commonwealth Games does appear to be sub-chipper.

    It's been agreed by @iainf72 that it sits somewhere between the final A race of a Herne Hill track league and a stage of an Asia Tour 2.2.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,148
    andyp said:

    wakemalcolm said:


    Needs updating. Commonwealth Games does appear to be sub-chipper.

    It's been agreed by @iainf72 that it sits somewhere between the final A race of a Herne Hill track league and a stage of an Asia Tour 2.2.
    Feels fair although if it was in France it would be given the same amount of UCI points as 3 GT stage wins
  • m.r.m.
    m.r.m. Posts: 3,455
    andyp said:

    wakemalcolm said:


    Needs updating. Commonwealth Games does appear to be sub-chipper.

    It's been agreed by @iainf72 that it sits somewhere between the final A race of a Herne Hill track league and a stage of an Asia Tour 2.2.
    Has Thomas ever crashed at any of those two?
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  • roscoe
    roscoe Posts: 505
    blazing_saddles said:

    roscoe said:

    mididoctors said:

    G ..... Story of his life . Good watch

    Not a great day at all for the "Ineos" boys. Plapp mechanical, G off then Bigham off.
    On the contrary, it’s been a very good day for the Ineos boys taking part in races that qualify for this thread.

    Not sure an ITT in the Commie games makes the grade here.
    🤣 good shout
  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,170
    Pross said:

    jdee84 said:

    The pundit on BBC said Dennis knows how to prioritise these big events (CW ITT), Massive it is! He apparently gave up going to the tour to prepare for it according to her. Is it not more just he's been a problem on any team he's been at and that's more why he wasn't at the tour.

    The BBC always overplay what a big thing the CG is presumably as a) it harks back to the days of the Empire when the BBC was a big thing and b) it is one of the few sporting events they still hold the rights to. There are some events that are truly world class and others less so (then others where no-one outside the Commonwealth has even heard of the sport!). Being in the same year as an athletics World Championships doesn't help it with some of the events that would otherwise have a world class field.
    Yes, barely a month apart isn't ideal. However, both championships are usually in different years, with the Commonwealth the same year as the European athletics championships, so it's not normally a problem.
    What is noticeable, are the crowds; the Worlds took place in a tiny stadium - probably the smallest I can recall for an athletics Worlds.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,148
    andyrac said:

    Pross said:

    jdee84 said:

    The pundit on BBC said Dennis knows how to prioritise these big events (CW ITT), Massive it is! He apparently gave up going to the tour to prepare for it according to her. Is it not more just he's been a problem on any team he's been at and that's more why he wasn't at the tour.

    The BBC always overplay what a big thing the CG is presumably as a) it harks back to the days of the Empire when the BBC was a big thing and b) it is one of the few sporting events they still hold the rights to. There are some events that are truly world class and others less so (then others where no-one outside the Commonwealth has even heard of the sport!). Being in the same year as an athletics World Championships doesn't help it with some of the events that would otherwise have a world class field.
    Yes, barely a month apart isn't ideal. However, both championships are usually in different years, with the Commonwealth the same year as the European athletics championships, so it's not normally a problem.
    What is noticeable, are the crowds; the Worlds took place in a tiny stadium - probably the smallest I can recall for an athletics Worlds.
    That's Nike's influence for you. It's just a college track really isn't it?
  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,170
    Yes, I believe it is - and athletics (or Track & Field in the US) isn't a particularly big sport - so probably doesn't warrant a larger venue.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,756
    andyrac said:

    Yes, I believe it is - and athletics (or Track & Field in the US) isn't a particularly big sport - so probably doesn't warrant a larger venue.

    Maybe they shouldn't have taken it to somewhere that isn't particularly interested then. Even if Nike really, really wanted them to.
  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,170
    Same as the 2016 Qatar Road Worlds......"he who pays the piper......" It's the way of modern sporting events.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,756
    andyrac said:

    Same as the 2016 Qatar Road Worlds......"he who pays the piper......" It's the way of modern sporting events.

    2019 World Athletics Champs were in Doha too. That's twice in a row it's been somewhere they can't raise a crowd.

    At least Budapest will get a decent number of international spectators who might combine it with a tourist trip (as well as local support).
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,235
    edited August 2022
    kingstongraham said:

    kingstongraham said:

    20 year old Tronchon gets his first pro win, Sivakov second - he gave everything to stay away so had no sprint. Small peloton 28 seconds behind.

    Tronchon was the last survivor of the break of the day that went with 112km to go, so staying away for the win is pretty good work.
    Tronchon only arrived as a stagiaire at AG2R from the U23 team on Monday. Not a bad start. He is the first stagiaire from the AG2R to win since Jaan Kirsipuu won the first stage of Paris-Bourges in 1992, so they're pretty excited about it.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,941
    kingstongraham said:

    andyrac said:

    Same as the 2016 Qatar Road Worlds......"he who pays the piper......" It's the way of modern sporting events.

    2019 World Athletics Champs were in Doha too. That's twice in a row it's been somewhere they can't raise a crowd.

    At least Budapest will get a decent number of international spectators who might combine it with a tourist trip (as well as local support).
    Sadly I'm not sure the Hungarians are any less dodgy these days under Orban.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,756
    And another new rider wins today in Burgos - 22 year old Slovenian Govekar who joined Bahrain on 1st June wins from the break.
  • seanoconn
    seanoconn Posts: 11,625




    Tour de Pologne today (courtesy of wifey)

    Not frenchfighter quality but you work with what you’re given.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,756
    The Tour of Poland seems to have a winning combination of relentlessly boring stages and dangerously bad finishes. Surely today they can't mess up a 1km straight finish with two removable bollards? Looks like a nice, fast finishing circuit.
  • JimD666
    JimD666 Posts: 2,293
    kingstongraham said:

    Surely today they can't mess up a 1km straight finish with two removable bollards? .

    As long as someone remembered to remove the removables, it should be fine.

  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    The womens tour of the Pyrenees must get the prize for dodgy street furniture, cars and motorcycles parked of the side of road and in one case it looked like a motorcycle going towards the break.
    All this with some of the worst camera shots ever.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,148
    Was just going to mention that in the Tour Femmes thread. The one bit they came around a bend to encounter stationary cars and had to cross the centre of the road that was covered in bollards.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 27,756
    I looked at the profiles for the tour of the pyrenees and it was very underwhelming.

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