The big Coronavirus thread
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Thanks!kingstongraham said:
Fixed your link.Longshot said:WHO opinion on face masks:
https://weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/who-should-wear-a-face-mask-30-march-who-briefing/
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Why have I focused on the UK's shortcomings? Because we all live in the UK and this is a UK forum. Who should we be discussing? India? Brazil? Monaco?Stevo_666 said:
You don't deny you are banging on about it. If weren't trying to imply we were bottom of the heap why the focus solely on the UK's perceived shortcomings? And point me to where you have said we are doing anything better than any other country.rick_chasey said:
Where have I said it's at the 'bottom of the heap'?Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already.
it's supposed to be a world leader in healthcare, but yet it can't equip the health staff, nor can it make anywhere near enough tests?
Do you think the shortage of protective kit for hospital staff is a problem? If not, why not?0 -
I've not seen any reference to us being bottom of the heap, or even that many references to other countries beyond reposting that FT graph. I doubt anyone who's lost a relative to this is thinking "well at least I don't live in the Netherlands".Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I found it interesting too that the statistics are not most relevant "per country", but "per outbreak". This means because the USA has so many centres that have independent outbreaks, their figures are going to look horrific on a country basis.tailwindhome said:
The discussion on the data visualizations by the FT was interesting on the use of 'per million' stats said that this added nothing to the analysis.Stevo_666 said:Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.
If you try to analyse on that basis all you learn is that some countries are big and some are small.
Make of that what you will, I found it interesting.0 -
I guess the point is that overall population size only providing an upper limit on numbers of infections. Numbers of interactions with each infected person determines the rate of spread, hence distancing being the only effective control.kingstongraham said:
I found it interesting too that the statistics are not most relevant "per country", but "per outbreak". This means because the USA has so many centres that have independent outbreaks, their figures are going to look horrific on a country basis.tailwindhome said:
The discussion on the data visualizations by the FT was interesting on the use of 'per million' stats said that this added nothing to the analysis.Stevo_666 said:Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.
If you try to analyse on that basis all you learn is that some countries are big and some are small.
Make of that what you will, I found it interesting.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition1 -
So Gove promised thousands of new ventilators - first batch: 30.
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As I have always said about Rick, if he was in the trenches fighting a war he would be shooting his own side.Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already.0 -
rick_chasey said:
So Gove promised thousands of new ventilators - first batch: 30.
Ha - she's having problems making sense of what she's reading, given what Johnson and Gove have been saying.
If they are going to go down the telling-massive-porkies line, it's not going to go well if they want to introduce harsher restrictions, if we stop believing what they are telling us.0 -
Alrite general Melchet calm down.coopster_the_1st said:
As I have always said about Rick, if he was in the trenches fighting a war he would be shooting his own side.Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already.0 -
I have visions of bold RIck with a cunning plan.0
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When did he promise 250,000? I suspect they will find upping the lie to be counterproductive. I am sure they have done the angry pointless question as a distraction which only leave blaming JF and denouncing the accuser as a traitor.rick_chasey said:2 weeks ago today BoJo promised 25,000 tests a day. Not even half they number
It will be a real test of voting for a monkey so long as it has a blue rosette when the monkey’s indolence and arrogance dramatically increases your chance of a horrible premature death.0 -
As I have mentioned above, what other countries are doing and how they are faring in this common crisis is relevant.rick_chasey said:
Why have I focused on the UK's shortcomings? Because we all live in the UK and this is a UK forum. Who should we be discussing? India? Brazil? Monaco?Stevo_666 said:
You don't deny you are banging on about it. If weren't trying to imply we were bottom of the heap why the focus solely on the UK's perceived shortcomings? And point me to where you have said we are doing anything better than any other country.rick_chasey said:
Where have I said it's at the 'bottom of the heap'?Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already.
it's supposed to be a world leader in healthcare, but yet it can't equip the health staff, nor can it make anywhere near enough tests?
Do you think the shortage of protective kit for hospital staff is a problem? If not, why not?
Now care to answer my questions?
And care to comment on the Netherlands data? That's where you have strong family links to so reasonable to suppose it is relevant to you."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
More like moaning at them and criticising them because he reckons they're not as good as the Germans...coopster_the_1st said:
As I have always said about Rick, if he was in the trenches fighting a war he would be shooting his own side.Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What is the data?Stevo_666 said:
As I have mentioned above, what other countries are doing and how they are faring in this common crisis is relevant.rick_chasey said:
Why have I focused on the UK's shortcomings? Because we all live in the UK and this is a UK forum. Who should we be discussing? India? Brazil? Monaco?Stevo_666 said:
You don't deny you are banging on about it. If weren't trying to imply we were bottom of the heap why the focus solely on the UK's perceived shortcomings? And point me to where you have said we are doing anything better than any other country.rick_chasey said:
Where have I said it's at the 'bottom of the heap'?Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already.
it's supposed to be a world leader in healthcare, but yet it can't equip the health staff, nor can it make anywhere near enough tests?
Do you think the shortage of protective kit for hospital staff is a problem? If not, why not?
Now care to answer my questions?
And care to comment on the Netherlands data? That's where you have strong family links to so reasonable to suppose it is relevant to you.
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It's not a war.coopster_the_1st said:
As I have always said about Rick, if he was in the trenches fighting a war he would be shooting his own side.Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
You want to send 250k 'over the top' to ensure your own standard of living.coopster_the_1st said:As I have always said about Rick, if he was in the trenches fighting a war he would be shooting his own side.
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See my post above and here it is again in case you claim you can't be bothered to look a few posts up the thread:rick_chasey said:
What is the data?Stevo_666 said:
As I have mentioned above, what other countries are doing and how they are faring in this common crisis is relevant.rick_chasey said:
Why have I focused on the UK's shortcomings? Because we all live in the UK and this is a UK forum. Who should we be discussing? India? Brazil? Monaco?Stevo_666 said:
You don't deny you are banging on about it. If weren't trying to imply we were bottom of the heap why the focus solely on the UK's perceived shortcomings? And point me to where you have said we are doing anything better than any other country.rick_chasey said:
Where have I said it's at the 'bottom of the heap'?Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already.
it's supposed to be a world leader in healthcare, but yet it can't equip the health staff, nor can it make anywhere near enough tests?
Do you think the shortage of protective kit for hospital staff is a problem? If not, why not?
Now care to answer my questions?
And care to comment on the Netherlands data? That's where you have strong family links to so reasonable to suppose it is relevant to you.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Specifically; cases per million population and deaths per million population.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
As explained above, what we are doing and how we are doing compared to other countries is relevant . Especially in a debate where some seem to have lost a bit of perspective.rjsterry said:
I've not seen any reference to us being bottom of the heap, or even that many references to other countries beyond reposting that FT graph. I doubt anyone who's lost a relative to this is thinking "well at least I don't live in the Netherlands".Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Italy is obviously more worrying given the debt situation and that will soon be an EU problem.
On top of the awful death & suffering.0 -
ATFA Rick...this is following a familiar pattern of you dodging questions....rick_chasey said:So what’s remarkable about the Dutch response? You keep banging on about it.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo I don’t know much about the Dutch situation so I can’t really answer.
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Yes, surprise surprise, time adjusted infection rates and death rates are almost identical in each country before lock down provisions are introduced. Who'd have thought? It's almost as though people are in fact all pretty much the same the world over.Stevo_666 said:
As I have mentioned above, what other countries are doing and how they are faring in this common crisis is relevant.rick_chasey said:
Why have I focused on the UK's shortcomings? Because we all live in the UK and this is a UK forum. Who should we be discussing? India? Brazil? Monaco?Stevo_666 said:
You don't deny you are banging on about it. If weren't trying to imply we were bottom of the heap why the focus solely on the UK's perceived shortcomings? And point me to where you have said we are doing anything better than any other country.rick_chasey said:
Where have I said it's at the 'bottom of the heap'?Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already.
it's supposed to be a world leader in healthcare, but yet it can't equip the health staff, nor can it make anywhere near enough tests?
Do you think the shortage of protective kit for hospital staff is a problem? If not, why not?
Now care to answer my questions?
And care to comment on the Netherlands data? That's where you have strong family links to so reasonable to suppose it is relevant to you.
The arguments have been about testing and provision of PPE. If the Netherlands are testing even less than us then more the fool them, but that doesn't really help or hinder us. The lack of the testing is having a measurable impact on the number of NHS staff available for work (and to a less critical extent those available for work in other industries where WFH isn't practical). That is unrelated to any other country's success or failure. Same applies to the lack of PPE. While this won't make any difference to infection rates, it can't help the treatment of those who need it.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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It's been discussed why cases/deaths per million isn't that useful a statistic. The virus spreads to infect all the available hosts (just as almost everyone has had chicken pox) unless distancing is introduced. Comparing these stats doesn't tell you how 'well' a country is doing.Stevo_666 said:
See my post above and here it is again in case you claim you can't be bothered to look a few posts up the thread:rick_chasey said:
What is the data?Stevo_666 said:
As I have mentioned above, what other countries are doing and how they are faring in this common crisis is relevant.rick_chasey said:
Why have I focused on the UK's shortcomings? Because we all live in the UK and this is a UK forum. Who should we be discussing? India? Brazil? Monaco?Stevo_666 said:
You don't deny you are banging on about it. If weren't trying to imply we were bottom of the heap why the focus solely on the UK's perceived shortcomings? And point me to where you have said we are doing anything better than any other country.rick_chasey said:
Where have I said it's at the 'bottom of the heap'?Stevo_666 said:
It is very relevant when someone is continually banging on about how badly the UK is handling this crisis and making out that we are 'bottom of the heap'. When that does not appear to be the case looking at the facts.rick_chasey said:
It's not really relevant to the UK is it? I could also bang on about how terrible Iran has handled it but again.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you should go and have a look - below is a link to help you. Their stats are markedly worse than ours on both a cases and deaths per million of population - and people there were still free to wander around outside until after we went into lock down.rick_chasey said:
I don't know anything about the Dutch response, but I do know their behaviour in the EU is shameful and they should be given a firm smack behind closed doors.Pross said:
Rick is unusually quiet on the way the Dutch are doing things whilst acting as though the UK response is the worst in Europe.ddraver said:See also the surgery in S. Wales who tried to persuade similar people to sign pre-emptive DNRs...
The Netherlands have certainly taken an interesting approach...
I do know there is a culture around quality of end-of-life and there are endless discussions about the perils of living too long or living with terrible health, and they are more fatalistic about their life than in the UK, so the idea of a Dr telling an 80 yr old man the above is not an enormous shock to me.
I have no idea if they're any better than the UK. I suspect on a very basic level, Netherlands, Scandis etc, have less poverty and so are naturally a little healthier on balance, but who knows.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Have you considered going and preaching to the Dutch about what they're doing wrong?
If they've made the same mistake as the UK gov't had then shame on their gov't. They have not covered themselves in international glory already.
it's supposed to be a world leader in healthcare, but yet it can't equip the health staff, nor can it make anywhere near enough tests?
Do you think the shortage of protective kit for hospital staff is a problem? If not, why not?
Now care to answer my questions?
And care to comment on the Netherlands data? That's where you have strong family links to so reasonable to suppose it is relevant to you.
https://worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Specifically; cases per million population and deaths per million population.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/18/uk-coronavirus-testing-will-increase-to-25000-a-day-says-boris-johnsonsurrey_commuter said:
When did he promise 250,000? I suspect they will find upping the lie to be counterproductive. I am sure they have done the angry pointless question as a distraction which only leave blaming JF and denouncing the accuser as a traitor.rick_chasey said:2 weeks ago today BoJo promised 25,000 tests a day. Not even half they number
It will be a real test of voting for a monkey so long as it has a blue rosette when the monkey’s indolence and arrogance dramatically increases your chance of a horrible premature death.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
I know the Dutch didn't lockdown until later, and wanted to be more cavalier with the spread, like the UK's initial response. They took longer to move on.
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