The big Coronavirus thread
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I've seen reports saying they're too scared to try and enforce it in the banlieuesbriantrumpet said:whether in the banlieues of Paris or a remote hamlet
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Not sure many deaths will be this high profile but this is part of the message I have been making0 -
France (and Spain) are both famous for having rules that aren't enforced or rarely enforced) (parking rules for example). Regarding the restrictions, it would be better to have some top-down rules (like closures of bars/restaurants/universities etc.) and leaving it up to individual communes to relax other measures.briantrumpet said:nickice said:
It's no reason to implement some of the draconian measures that aren't evidence-based. That's the key: I haven't really seen any evidence for many of the French measures other than their claiming they're using the precautionary principle. I'm not against most of the measures but I don't like giving the police too much power and the rules are so vague that they probably wouldn't stand up in court.pblakeney said:When you have idiots driving to mingle on the beach and others holding mass parties you can see why a police state is required.
Stop acting like muppets, stop being treated as muppets.
Had I been in my French place now, I'd have virtually been a prisoner, in a tiny hamlet several kilometres from the nearest town, surrounded by mountains. Half of me says that would be bonkers (and and it would be, on an individual level), but the other half of me realises that a necessarily hastily implemented law is going to apply to everyone, whether in the banlieues of Paris or a remote hamlet. And without visible enforcement of the law (they've had mobile checkpoints around the nearest town), there might as well not be any law. I imagine the daily 'derogation' forms are deliberately there to make everyone think about each journey - seeing the number of cars on Saturday trundling along my exercise route here in Devon, I did wonder how many of those were 'essential'.
Anyway, just as well I didn't go to France this time, as with EasyJet grounding its entire fleet, I'd have been struggling to get back to Devon. My straw poll of French correspondents is that that believe the restrictions to be necessary, albeit a PITA.
At the market last week (before they were banned) the police were fining people for not having a form stating they were going to buy food while they were at the market...
And I have yet to see any evidence that exercising outside for any length of time will increase the risk of transmitting/catching the virus. If it's about the risk of going to A & E then why is alcohol still on sale? Macron is not to be trusted as he fancies himself as a dictator.
On another point, I did see the editor of the Jewish Chronicle (I think) complain about people being selfish by holding a market in London as it would put pressure on the health service. I then looked at his profile picture and he was obese.1 -
I bet comings and goings at No.10 will be down to a minimum now.0
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On the former, I doubt it. They'll just be lonelier.focuszing723 said:I bet comings and goings at No.10 will be down to a minimum now.
You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
It's possible that's what they think they've done.First.Aspect said:If you make the rules as strict as they need to be, people will bend or break them and they would not achieve the required result.
If you make the rules stricter than they need to be, people will bend or break them but you may achieve the required result.
You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
Almost certainly. The places where it would be most needed (high density population) are not enforced yet they go for the easy pickings.bompington said:
I've seen reports saying they're too scared to try and enforce it in the banlieuesbriantrumpet said:whether in the banlieues of Paris or a remote hamlet
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nickice said:
And I have yet to see any evidence that exercising outside for any length of time will increase the risk of transmitting/catching the virus.
Maybe not catching the virus, but a young woman had the full emergency service treatment a couple of days ago when she fell off her bike, sans casque, in one of the scary French tunnels I know well, and had to be taken by helicopter to Grenoble with multiple serious injuries. When the emergency services are already at full stretch, I can understand why they might want to dissuade people from having that sort of 'fun' for now. It's one reason I'm being extremely cautious on my bike at the moment.
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Some good news on a device developed which will keep many Coronavirus patients out of intensive care:
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/mercedes-f1-team-helps-create-breathing-aid-keep-coronavirus/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Sounds a bit like Derbyshire police.nickice said:
Almost certainly. The places where it would be most needed (high density population) are not enforced yet they go for the easy pickings.bompington said:
I've seen reports saying they're too scared to try and enforce it in the banlieuesbriantrumpet said:whether in the banlieues of Paris or a remote hamlet
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Yes, heard about that this morning. Seems like a very sensible way to bridge the gap in ventilator provision.Stevo_666 said:Some good news on a device developed which will keep many Coronavirus patients out of intensive care:
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/mercedes-f1-team-helps-create-breathing-aid-keep-coronavirus/1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Yeah, good news. It goes to prove how cutting edge F1 is and how fast they can adapt to differing sets of rules and circumstance. Designed for situations like this really.Stevo_666 said:Some good news on a device developed which will keep many Coronavirus patients out of intensive care:
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/mercedes-f1-team-helps-create-breathing-aid-keep-coronavirus/0 -
Absolutely stupid of her but we can't eliminate risks of accidents completely and the health benefits of outdoor exercise outweigh the downsides. It's also a good example of why it should be decided at a local level. I live in the North so it's very flat and any bike accidents don't usually involve hospital treatment (unless someone is cycling without lights on a Saturday night, for example).briantrumpet said:nickice said:And I have yet to see any evidence that exercising outside for any length of time will increase the risk of transmitting/catching the virus.
Maybe not catching the virus, but a young woman had the full emergency service treatment a couple of days ago when she fell off her bike, sans casque, in one of the scary French tunnels I know well, and had to be taken by helicopter to Grenoble with multiple serious injuries. When the emergency services are already at full stretch, I can understand why they might want to dissuade people from having that sort of 'fun' for now. It's one reason I'm being extremely cautious on my bike at the moment.
Anecdotal, I've been to A&E once and that was an accident in the home. I wonder how many people are going to injure themselves doing DIY this month as they can't go out.0 -
I'm not sure what other countries are doing, but I have been reasonably impressed with the whole appeal to industry thing although it was a bit late.rjsterry said:
Yes, heard about that this morning. Seems like a very sensible way to bridge the gap in ventilator provision.Stevo_666 said:Some good news on a device developed which will keep many Coronavirus patients out of intensive care:
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/mercedes-f1-team-helps-create-breathing-aid-keep-coronavirus/0 -
I was wondering this morning whether there are two types of households: those where a long list of household tasks is finally getting done, and those with kids which are more akin to bomb sites.0
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Yep, it's the speed and adaptability of companies and people that counts here. Especially in major crises like these which develop quickly and only happen once in a blue moon.focuszing723 said:
Yeah, good news. It goes to prove how cutting edge F1 is and how fast they can adapt to differing sets of rules and circumstance. Designed for situations like this really.Stevo_666 said:Some good news on a device developed which will keep many Coronavirus patients out of intensive care:
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/mercedes-f1-team-helps-create-breathing-aid-keep-coronavirus/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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It's also great to pi$$ on the chips of those who have over the last 4 years decided all they can do is talk the UK down. Some are still doing it!Stevo_666 said:
Yep, it's the speed and adaptability of companies and people that counts here. Especially in major crises like these which develop quickly and only happen once in a blue moon.focuszing723 said:
Yeah, good news. It goes to prove how cutting edge F1 is and how fast they can adapt to differing sets of rules and circumstance. Designed for situations like this really.Stevo_666 said:Some good news on a device developed which will keep many Coronavirus patients out of intensive care:
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/mercedes-f1-team-helps-create-breathing-aid-keep-coronavirus/1 -
Your concerns over the mental health of the population are somewhat undermined by 3 years of calling people 'snowflakes'coopster_the_1st said:Not sure many deaths will be this high profile but this is part of the message I have been making
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
That's another reason for posting itcoopster_the_1st said:
It's also great to pi$$ on the chips of those who have over the last 4 years decided all they can do is talk the UK down. Some are still doing it!Stevo_666 said:
Yep, it's the speed and adaptability of companies and people that counts here. Especially in major crises like these which develop quickly and only happen once in a blue moon.focuszing723 said:
Yeah, good news. It goes to prove how cutting edge F1 is and how fast they can adapt to differing sets of rules and circumstance. Designed for situations like this really.Stevo_666 said:Some good news on a device developed which will keep many Coronavirus patients out of intensive care:
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/mercedes-f1-team-helps-create-breathing-aid-keep-coronavirus/
This thread needs a bit of balance in that respect.
Worth mentioning it was developed in the UK..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Having spent yesterday afternoon effecting an emergency repair to the shed roof, I think I am at the intersection of that Venn diagram.TheBigBean said:I was wondering this morning whether there are two types of households: those where a long list of household tasks is finally getting done, and those with kids which are more akin to bomb sites.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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They are the ones that I see as being at higher risk because they have over the last 3 years been demonstrating mental health weaknesses.tailwindhome said:
Your concerns over the mental health of the population are somewhat undermined by 3 years of calling people 'snowflakes'coopster_the_1st said:Not sure many deaths will be this high profile but this is part of the message I have been making
A simple example, how are they going to cope with losing their jobs?0 -
It's similar to the British companies like of Dyson and Gtech who are in advanced stages of having solutions in providing the UK with more ventilators. Yet some are still blinded by their political views. These designs will also be produced in the UK, quickly and meeting the numbers requiredStevo_666 said:
That's another reason for posting itcoopster_the_1st said:
It's also great to pi$$ on the chips of those who have over the last 4 years decided all they can do is talk the UK down. Some are still doing it!Stevo_666 said:
Yep, it's the speed and adaptability of companies and people that counts here. Especially in major crises like these which develop quickly and only happen once in a blue moon.focuszing723 said:
Yeah, good news. It goes to prove how cutting edge F1 is and how fast they can adapt to differing sets of rules and circumstance. Designed for situations like this really.Stevo_666 said:Some good news on a device developed which will keep many Coronavirus patients out of intensive care:
https://telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/30/mercedes-f1-team-helps-create-breathing-aid-keep-coronavirus/ This thread needs a bit of balance in that respect.
Worth mentioning it was developed in the UK...0 -
Should there be a further debate about why our economic system encourages people with amazing skills who can come up with world changing ideas and produce life saving equipment at the drop of a hat to use that amazing brain power to make a car go round in circles a bit faster?0
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Isn't it covered by item 1 or 3 on that list?kingstongraham said:
Counterpoint: he should have listened to this guy.DeVlaeminck said:Re. Kinnock, just googled it, absolutely not the right thing for the police to get involved in. He delivered supplies to a 78 year old as we are told we are allowed to do.
As much as I dislike Kinnock, it does seem overly harsh.0 -
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Maybe because there was less demand for such equipment and more demand for watching cars go round in circles quickly before this crisis occurred.kingstongraham said:Should there be a further debate about why our economic system encourages people with amazing skills who can come up with world changing ideas and produce life saving equipment at the drop of a hat to use that amazing brain power to make a car go round in circles a bit faster?
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Don't underestimate the need to be producing 'something' to keep a business alive.
Necessity being the mother of invention and all that.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Surely all the physics/maths etc boffins getting into banking is a greater waste? Lots of F1 tech crosses over where applicable.kingstongraham said:Should there be a further debate about why our economic system encourages people with amazing skills who can come up with world changing ideas and produce life saving equipment at the drop of a hat to use that amazing brain power to make a car go round in circles a bit faster?
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