The big Coronavirus thread
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Two weeks ago I was still on the tube and most people would rather risk C19 than look a fool wearing a face mask.nickice said:
Shouldn't we all all be wearing masks all the time then? I'm as worried about this as everyone but there seems to be mass hysteria going on here.kingstongraham said:
Any mask reduces the amount of germs spread from the wearer. This has to be a good thing.nickice said:
I understand your point but I think there is a certain element of paranoia. Firstly, surgical masks are not particularly effective (most people are wearing those types) and they should consider saving any masks for occasions where they might be more necessary (e.g. the supermarket).kingstongraham said:I think this is a positive development. If we get used to wearing masks out and about, there'll be fewer lockdowns.
It also stops you touching your face.
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You're asking a bunch of people who wear brightly coloured lycra whether they mind looking a bit silly...surrey_commuter said:
Two weeks ago I was still on the tube and most people would rather risk C19 than look a fool wearing a face mask.nickice said:
Shouldn't we all all be wearing masks all the time then? I'm as worried about this as everyone but there seems to be mass hysteria going on here.kingstongraham said:
Any mask reduces the amount of germs spread from the wearer. This has to be a good thing.nickice said:
I understand your point but I think there is a certain element of paranoia. Firstly, surgical masks are not particularly effective (most people are wearing those types) and they should consider saving any masks for occasions where they might be more necessary (e.g. the supermarket).kingstongraham said:I think this is a positive development. If we get used to wearing masks out and about, there'll be fewer lockdowns.
It also stops you touching your face.
Maybe it would be different now but I doubt it1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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nickice said:
You may well have had it. One person I know in France currently has a suspected case of it (her boss and boss's husband also had it) as well as two other couples who are friends of my wife's cousin. None of these people are counted in the official statistics. I think it's a little late for flu, isn't it?
It is certainly towards the back end of what would be considered "flu season", but probably not too late.
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Yes, I think we will do when outside after the lockdown. When near other people.nickice said:
Shouldn't we all all be wearing masks all the time then? I'm as worried about this as everyone but there seems to be mass hysteria going on here.kingstongraham said:
Any mask reduces the amount of germs spread from the wearer. This has to be a good thing.nickice said:
I understand your point but I think there is a certain element of paranoia. Firstly, surgical masks are not particularly effective (most people are wearing those types) and they should consider saving any masks for occasions where they might be more necessary (e.g. the supermarket).kingstongraham said:I think this is a positive development. If we get used to wearing masks out and about, there'll be fewer lockdowns.
It also stops you touching your face.
The only downside I can see is that it's not what we've done before.0 -
Have you people never experienced a city?nickice said:
Or avoid being in a confined space with someone for 15 minutes or longer. People are treating this like it's some kind of supervirus that can be easily caught by just walking past someone.coopster_the_1st said:
Why not just get use to staying 2m apart?kingstongraham said:I think this is a positive development. If we get used to wearing masks out and about, there'll be fewer lockdowns.
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I do live in a city. The point was about what people are doing right now. I mean in the situations I've seen people wearing masks here, they've pretty much been unnecessary in 99% of situations.kingstongraham said:
Have you people never experienced a city?nickice said:
Or avoid being in a confined space with someone for 15 minutes or longer. People are treating this like it's some kind of supervirus that can be easily caught by just walking past someone.coopster_the_1st said:
Why not just get use to staying 2m apart?kingstongraham said:I think this is a positive development. If we get used to wearing masks out and about, there'll be fewer lockdowns.
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My point was that wearing masks will reduce future lockdowns. Normalising people wearing masks in public is a good thing in my opinion.nickice said:
I do live in a city. The point was about what people are doing right now. I know people on public transport can't usually avoid it but, right now (and even before) you can pretty easily avoid being in a confined space and I see no need for maskskingstongraham said:
Have you people never experienced a city?nickice said:
Or avoid being in a confined space with someone for 15 minutes or longer. People are treating this like it's some kind of supervirus that can be easily caught by just walking past someone.coopster_the_1st said:
Why not just get use to staying 2m apart?kingstongraham said:I think this is a positive development. If we get used to wearing masks out and about, there'll be fewer lockdowns.
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Two weeks ago Boris promised to ramp up testing to 25,000 and then on to 250,000
Yesterday Matt Hancock took to Twitter to celebrate reaching 10,000.
Today PHE said 8,278 tests were done yesterday, on 4,908 (if anybody could explain that I would be grateful)
Ocado have ordered 100,000 tests for their staff. I know that should make me angry but I don’t know why but it makes me laugh.0 -
Seeing as they employ less than 13000 staff it seems a bit overzealous.surrey_commuter said:Two weeks ago Boris promised to ramp up testing to 25,000 and then on to 250,000
Yesterday Matt Hancock took to Twitter to celebrate reaching 10,000.
Today PHE said 8,278 tests were done yesterday, on 4,908 (if anybody could explain that I would be grateful)
Ocado have ordered 100,000 tests for their staff. I know that should make me angry but I don’t know why but it makes me laugh.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Does it? People seem to forget you don't just get tested once and you're done.rjsterry said:
Seeing as they employ less than 13000 staff it seems a bit overzealous.surrey_commuter said:Two weeks ago Boris promised to ramp up testing to 25,000 and then on to 250,000
Yesterday Matt Hancock took to Twitter to celebrate reaching 10,000.
Today PHE said 8,278 tests were done yesterday, on 4,908 (if anybody could explain that I would be grateful)
Ocado have ordered 100,000 tests for their staff. I know that should make me angry but I don’t know why but it makes me laugh.
For a doctor or nurse you get a negative result and then what? In an ideal world they'd all get tested daily until they'd had it and recovered.
All makes our current numbers of tests all the more pathetic though.sam0 -
If Tesco adopted the idea then their tests would dwarf HMG and maybe shame Boris into competing with themsampangolin said:
Does it? People seem to forget you don't just get tested once and you're done.rjsterry said:
Seeing as they employ less than 13000 staff it seems a bit overzealous.surrey_commuter said:Two weeks ago Boris promised to ramp up testing to 25,000 and then on to 250,000
Yesterday Matt Hancock took to Twitter to celebrate reaching 10,000.
Today PHE said 8,278 tests were done yesterday, on 4,908 (if anybody could explain that I would be grateful)
Ocado have ordered 100,000 tests for their staff. I know that should make me angry but I don’t know why but it makes me laugh.
For a doctor or nurse you get a negative result and then what? In an ideal world they'd all get tested daily until they'd had it and recovered.
All makes our current numbers of tests all the more pathetic though.0 -
Yeah, that's a good point. Immunity is the only safe option for not passing Covid19 on and to be tested for (antibodies).sampangolin said:
Does it? People seem to forget you don't just get tested once and you're done.rjsterry said:
Seeing as they employ less than 13000 staff it seems a bit overzealous.surrey_commuter said:Two weeks ago Boris promised to ramp up testing to 25,000 and then on to 250,000
Yesterday Matt Hancock took to Twitter to celebrate reaching 10,000.
Today PHE said 8,278 tests were done yesterday, on 4,908 (if anybody could explain that I would be grateful)
Ocado have ordered 100,000 tests for their staff. I know that should make me angry but I don’t know why but it makes me laugh.
For a doctor or nurse you get a negative result and then what? In an ideal world they'd all get tested daily until they'd had it and recovered.
All makes our current numbers of tests all the more pathetic though.0 -
Is it this test?
Not sure if I'd fancy that every day.0 -
Yeah, looks pretty gross doesn't it0
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0
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“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Liars.
You install fervent hardliners and you get sub-standard decision making. In a crisis that literally costs lives.0 -
I find the Guardian unreadable so could I ask whether they asked the Govt why it took them seven weeks (mid March) to launch plan B (TV appeal)rick_chasey said:
Liars.
You install fervent hardliners and you get sub-standard decision making. In a crisis that literally costs lives.0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
It is quite an achievement to make you pine for the good old days of Jeremy Hunt as health sec.rick_chasey said:
Difficult to disagree with this.0 -
They did and the govt sent them the statement Gove gave on the Marr Show.surrey_commuter said:
I find the Guardian unreadable so could I ask whether they asked the Govt why it took them seven weeks (mid March) to launch plan B (TV appeal)rick_chasey said:
Liars.
You install fervent hardliners and you get sub-standard decision making. In a crisis that literally costs lives.0 -
This doesn't make my top 10 Coronavirus criticisms of the government.rick_chasey said:
Liars.
You install fervent hardliners and you get sub-standard decision making. In a crisis that literally costs lives.0 -
I see in the news today there has been a bit of a backlash against excessive policing.0
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Some people are looking very hard to find criticisms. I suppose it gives them a purpose now the Brexit thread is in hibernation.TheBigBean said:
This doesn't make my top 10 Coronavirus criticisms of the government.rick_chasey said:
Liars.
You install fervent hardliners and you get sub-standard decision making. In a crisis that literally costs lives."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
When guidelines are open to interpretation then they can be interpreted in different ways. So not surprising. Define necessary and reasonable.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Counterpoint: This government hadn't done much before the crisis hit to earn the benefit of the doubt.Stevo_666 said:
Some people are looking very hard to find criticisms. I suppose it gives them a purpose now the Brexit thread is in hibernation.TheBigBean said:
This doesn't make my top 10 Coronavirus criticisms of the government.rick_chasey said:
Liars.
You install fervent hardliners and you get sub-standard decision making. In a crisis that literally costs lives.0 -
Rightly or wrongly, the death scorecard at the end of all of this is how all governments will be measured.Stevo_666 said:
Some people are looking very hard to find criticisms. I suppose it gives them a purpose now the Brexit thread is in hibernation.TheBigBean said:
This doesn't make my top 10 Coronavirus criticisms of the government.rick_chasey said:
Liars.
You install fervent hardliners and you get sub-standard decision making. In a crisis that literally costs lives.
Worth remembering that when rubbishing concerns that the gov't isn't handling this well.
i think my response to Sunak's budget demonstrates beyond doubt I don't give a sh!t who is making the decisions, as long as they are the ones I think are right.
Unlike you, I should add.0 -
If you look at fixed penalty notices for cyclists, they were supposed to only be used as a last resort to prevent dangerous cycling*, but once the power is in place, it gets abused and the guidance is dismissed. That's why making sure the law is well defined is always the best place to start.pblakeney said:When guidelines are open to interpretation then they can be interpreted in different ways. So not surprising. Define necessary and reasonable.
*I'm aware there is lots of dangerous cycling that goes unpunished.0 -
I said this a couple of weeks back.rick_chasey said:
Difficult to disagree with this.
It is the weakest government in my living memory. They are appointed on a no dissent basis behind an unprincipled leader.
It is neither a government of collective agreement or clear direction.
Thatcher didn’t consent but her direction was clear. All other governments in my lifetime have been built on open debate and consensus.0
