The big Coronavirus thread
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Two months ago no one thought we'd be in this state FFS, so changing industrial production to ventilators would have been sheer speculation, or maybe you are the owner of the crystal ball.
You seem to ignore the fact that from day 1 Government said policies and solutions would evolve - you aren't listening to what is and has been said, and are being deafened and blinded by your hatred of Boris.
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Jeremy.89 said:
Arguably being a few weeks behind shows the UK is doing something right though...
Maybe it's partly due to not kissing acquaintances three times just to say hello.0 -
I'm actually quite busy WFH. Part of it may be the organisation adjusting to doing this as it's the first week, but there is no shortage of work. I suppose that's a good thing...Longshot said:My own personal experience of everybody else working from home so far this week is that you're all either out on your bikes or watching Pornhub because there is absolutely SFA going on anywhere. No emails, no calls, nothing.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Seriously no nursery can turn kids away at the door and then charge for looking after them. That's like Sainsbury's being told to close and charging me for the food I would have bought.TheBigBean said:
I don't think you understand nurseries. They will absolutely try. I don't think people will pay though. For example, I phoned to ask if I could look around one, and they asked if I had paid my registration fee? A non-refundable fee for looking around. No other businesses operate like that. It was even non-refundable in the event they were unable to offer a place.DeVlaeminck said:pangolin said:Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I'm dreading them shutting nurseries. Nursery have told us that as things stand they'd still expect fees. Work have told us that as things stand if we have to look after kids it's either annual leave or unpaid leave. Stuck in the middle.Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I don't think nurseries can shut and still charge a fee tbh.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Unfortunately it's not, because you haven't signed a contract with Sainsbury's to shop there.DeVlaeminck said:
Seriously no nursery can turn kids away at the door and then charge for looking after them. That's like Sainsbury's being told to close and charging me for the food I would have bought.TheBigBean said:
I don't think you understand nurseries. They will absolutely try. I don't think people will pay though. For example, I phoned to ask if I could look around one, and they asked if I had paid my registration fee? A non-refundable fee for looking around. No other businesses operate like that. It was even non-refundable in the event they were unable to offer a place.DeVlaeminck said:pangolin said:Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I'm dreading them shutting nurseries. Nursery have told us that as things stand they'd still expect fees. Work have told us that as things stand if we have to look after kids it's either annual leave or unpaid leave. Stuck in the middle.Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I don't think nurseries can shut and still charge a fee tbh.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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We should probably start (as a country) stockpiling Favipiravir which has apparently been trialled with a very good success rate i treating CV19 in China albeit only on 300 odd cases.0
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Surely they'd be in breach by failing to provide the specified services though?pangolin said:
Unfortunately it's not, because you haven't signed a contract with Sainsbury's to shop there.DeVlaeminck said:
Seriously no nursery can turn kids away at the door and then charge for looking after them. That's like Sainsbury's being told to close and charging me for the food I would have bought.TheBigBean said:
I don't think you understand nurseries. They will absolutely try. I don't think people will pay though. For example, I phoned to ask if I could look around one, and they asked if I had paid my registration fee? A non-refundable fee for looking around. No other businesses operate like that. It was even non-refundable in the event they were unable to offer a place.DeVlaeminck said:pangolin said:Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I'm dreading them shutting nurseries. Nursery have told us that as things stand they'd still expect fees. Work have told us that as things stand if we have to look after kids it's either annual leave or unpaid leave. Stuck in the middle.Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I don't think nurseries can shut and still charge a fee tbh.0 -
I think they'd argue that's out of their hands if they are told to shut. I mean, I agree with you, I don't want to pay them. They have staff to pay too though. Tough situation until the government comes out with clear guidance on how they will support them. A loan on 'friendly rates' isn't exactly a huge win for them.Pross said:
Surely they'd be in breach by failing to provide the specified services though?pangolin said:
Unfortunately it's not, because you haven't signed a contract with Sainsbury's to shop there.DeVlaeminck said:
Seriously no nursery can turn kids away at the door and then charge for looking after them. That's like Sainsbury's being told to close and charging me for the food I would have bought.TheBigBean said:
I don't think you understand nurseries. They will absolutely try. I don't think people will pay though. For example, I phoned to ask if I could look around one, and they asked if I had paid my registration fee? A non-refundable fee for looking around. No other businesses operate like that. It was even non-refundable in the event they were unable to offer a place.DeVlaeminck said:pangolin said:Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I'm dreading them shutting nurseries. Nursery have told us that as things stand they'd still expect fees. Work have told us that as things stand if we have to look after kids it's either annual leave or unpaid leave. Stuck in the middle.Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I don't think nurseries can shut and still charge a fee tbh.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Plenty of people pay their gym membership faithfully without ever walking through the door!0
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mrfpb said:
Plenty of people pay their gym membership faithfully without ever walking through the door!
Yes, but the service they get is self-satisfaction that by just paying the membership they’re guaranteed to get fitter !!!!0 -
Stevo_666 said:
I'm actually quite busy WFH. Part of it may be the organisation adjusting to doing this as it's the first week, but there is no shortage of work. I suppose that's a good thing...Longshot said:My own personal experience of everybody else working from home so far this week is that you're all either out on your bikes or watching Pornhub because there is absolutely SFA going on anywhere. No emails, no calls, nothing.
Me too, I’m no quieter than if I had been in the office0 -
But that's their choice. If the gym chose to close I suspect they'd have a hard time chasing someone for non-payment of their monthly fee. Even if there's a clause somewhere that says you have to keep paying if they have to close due to circumstances outside their control I suspect there'd be a reasonable chance that you could argue it counts as an Unfair Term.mrfpb said:Plenty of people pay their gym membership faithfully without ever walking through the door!
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I felt the other day that the response put out on the media has had quite a 'middle class' bias. eg There was Joan Bakewell on the BBC talking about self-isolation with her shelves of books behind her in a her sunny flat. I doubt she'll struggle greatly with being on her ownrolf_f said:Apparently the US response to Corona virus is big queues of people outside gun shops stockpiling guns and ammo.......
At least it puts our own levels of idiocy into context.
But it makes me nervous to wonder what is going on in areas where they work from fix to fix and are waiting for the dealers to turn up.
If there were problems when KFC ran out of chicken, how are the less stoic going to manage this?
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Pross said:
Surely they'd be in breach by failing to provide the specified services though?pangolin said:
Unfortunately it's not, because you haven't signed a contract with Sainsbury's to shop there.DeVlaeminck said:
Seriously no nursery can turn kids away at the door and then charge for looking after them. That's like Sainsbury's being told to close and charging me for the food I would have bought.TheBigBean said:
I don't think you understand nurseries. They will absolutely try. I don't think people will pay though. For example, I phoned to ask if I could look around one, and they asked if I had paid my registration fee? A non-refundable fee for looking around. No other businesses operate like that. It was even non-refundable in the event they were unable to offer a place.DeVlaeminck said:pangolin said:Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I'm dreading them shutting nurseries. Nursery have told us that as things stand they'd still expect fees. Work have told us that as things stand if we have to look after kids it's either annual leave or unpaid leave. Stuck in the middle.Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I don't think nurseries can shut and still charge a fee tbh.
Only if the contract stipulates that they have to remain open under any circumstances.
Without sight of the small print we're all just guessing.You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
Never stopped us before! 😉The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Part of the question is do you want there to be a nursery for your kid to go back to when some form of normality returns? If the nursery (or other private education establishment) closes temporarily, they will still have salaries and overheads to pay, though some of their costs will be reduced.Longshot said:Pross said:
Surely they'd be in breach by failing to provide the specified services though?pangolin said:
Unfortunately it's not, because you haven't signed a contract with Sainsbury's to shop there.DeVlaeminck said:
Seriously no nursery can turn kids away at the door and then charge for looking after them. That's like Sainsbury's being told to close and charging me for the food I would have bought.TheBigBean said:
I don't think you understand nurseries. They will absolutely try. I don't think people will pay though. For example, I phoned to ask if I could look around one, and they asked if I had paid my registration fee? A non-refundable fee for looking around. No other businesses operate like that. It was even non-refundable in the event they were unable to offer a place.DeVlaeminck said:pangolin said:Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I'm dreading them shutting nurseries. Nursery have told us that as things stand they'd still expect fees. Work have told us that as things stand if we have to look after kids it's either annual leave or unpaid leave. Stuck in the middle.Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I don't think nurseries can shut and still charge a fee tbh.
Only if the contract stipulates that they have to remain open under any circumstances.
Without sight of the small print we're all just guessing.
Alternatively are you happy to see the nursery go bust and never reopen?0 -
Dorset_Boy said:
Part of the question is do you want there to be a nursery for your kid to go back to when some form of normality returns? If the nursery (or other private education establishment) closes temporarily, they will still have salaries and overheads to pay, though some of their costs will be reduced.Longshot said:Pross said:
Surely they'd be in breach by failing to provide the specified services though?pangolin said:
Unfortunately it's not, because you haven't signed a contract with Sainsbury's to shop there.DeVlaeminck said:
Seriously no nursery can turn kids away at the door and then charge for looking after them. That's like Sainsbury's being told to close and charging me for the food I would have bought.TheBigBean said:
I don't think you understand nurseries. They will absolutely try. I don't think people will pay though. For example, I phoned to ask if I could look around one, and they asked if I had paid my registration fee? A non-refundable fee for looking around. No other businesses operate like that. It was even non-refundable in the event they were unable to offer a place.DeVlaeminck said:pangolin said:Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I'm dreading them shutting nurseries. Nursery have told us that as things stand they'd still expect fees. Work have told us that as things stand if we have to look after kids it's either annual leave or unpaid leave. Stuck in the middle.Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I don't think nurseries can shut and still charge a fee tbh.
Only if the contract stipulates that they have to remain open under any circumstances.
Without sight of the small print we're all just guessing.
Alternatively are you happy to see the nursery go bust and never reopen?
I couldn't care less - my kids are way too old. I was just pointing out that the fact the nursery is closed doesn't mean 'you' don't get to pay.You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
Exactly. You could well be cutting off your nose to spite your face. Not that it would be much of a decision really, most just wouldn't be able to pay.Dorset_Boy said:
Part of the question is do you want there to be a nursery for your kid to go back to when some form of normality returns? If the nursery (or other private education establishment) closes temporarily, they will still have salaries and overheads to pay, though some of their costs will be reduced.Longshot said:Pross said:
Surely they'd be in breach by failing to provide the specified services though?pangolin said:
Unfortunately it's not, because you haven't signed a contract with Sainsbury's to shop there.DeVlaeminck said:
Seriously no nursery can turn kids away at the door and then charge for looking after them. That's like Sainsbury's being told to close and charging me for the food I would have bought.TheBigBean said:
I don't think you understand nurseries. They will absolutely try. I don't think people will pay though. For example, I phoned to ask if I could look around one, and they asked if I had paid my registration fee? A non-refundable fee for looking around. No other businesses operate like that. It was even non-refundable in the event they were unable to offer a place.DeVlaeminck said:pangolin said:Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I'm dreading them shutting nurseries. Nursery have told us that as things stand they'd still expect fees. Work have told us that as things stand if we have to look after kids it's either annual leave or unpaid leave. Stuck in the middle.Longshot said:surrey_commuter said:
By the time Boris gets round to it there will be nothing left to shut
Why the rush to shut schools? It's been said by many that they are trying to avoid the knock-on effects, especially in terms of NHS staff. It's not implausible.
Look, I'm no fan of Boris, but just make sure your hatred isn't clouding your thinking.
I don't think nurseries can shut and still charge a fee tbh.
Only if the contract stipulates that they have to remain open under any circumstances.
Without sight of the small print we're all just guessing.
Alternatively are you happy to see the nursery go bust and never reopen?- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I'd expect them to stay open and provide the service they're charging for. I appreciate that they're likely to have staff shortages but they are also likely to have a lot less children due to parents choosing to keep their kids away so it will balance out. If all the nurseries decide to close what happens when doctors or nurses need someone to look after their children whilst their taking care of the sick and dying?
I don't know if there has been an announcement on schools yet in England but they are closing in Wales from Friday for an extended Easter break. However, I've heard head teachers say that they will be trying to keep a limited service going so that the children of key workers can attend (one head was also stressing the importance of continuing to provide somewhere for vulnerable children to go where they can keep getting at least one proper meal a day).0 -
You're talking as though they are making a flippant decision to close. They may not have enough staff available to meet legal requirements on safeguarding. Schools may find they have the same problem.Pross said:I'd expect them to stay open and provide the service they're charging for. I appreciate that they're likely to have staff shortages but they are also likely to have a lot less children due to parents choosing to keep their kids away so it will balance out. If all the nurseries decide to close what happens when doctors or nurses need someone to look after their children whilst their taking care of the sick and dying?
You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
They were talking about maybe staying open offering a limited service for those who work in key sectors. I suspect it will work out. Just have to wait and see at the moment.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Not really. My wife works in the care sector (having previously managed day care nurseries). They are in a position where they have to manage somehow no matter what happens with resources in which case the regulations on staff ratios might have to be relaxed. To be cynical, if a company is in a position where they can close their doors but keep charging their full rate then there is little incentive for them to stay open as they can reduce overheads without any impact on income. If they are forced to close then surely that's where insurance should come into play?Longshot said:
You're talking as though they are making a flippant decision to close. They may not have enough staff available to meet legal requirements on safeguarding. Schools may find they have the same problem.Pross said:I'd expect them to stay open and provide the service they're charging for. I appreciate that they're likely to have staff shortages but they are also likely to have a lot less children due to parents choosing to keep their kids away so it will balance out. If all the nurseries decide to close what happens when doctors or nurses need someone to look after their children whilst their taking care of the sick and dying?
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I just don’t get why you see us as the exception. Why would our crisis planning not start when China got into difficulties and then crank up as it spread across the world? Why wait until you start losing control to-ask around about ventilators.Dorset_Boy said:Two months ago no one thought we'd be in this state FFS, so changing industrial production to ventilators would have been sheer speculation, or maybe you are the owner of the crystal ball.
You seem to ignore the fact that from day 1 Government said policies and solutions would evolve - you aren't listening to what is and has been said, and are being deafened and blinded by your hatred of Boris.
Why not study the countries who have coped well and those less well and learn from those experiences?
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Stevo_666 said:
I'm actually quite busy WFH. Part of it may be the organisation adjusting to doing this as it's the first week, but there is no shortage of work. I suppose that's a good thing...Longshot said:My own personal experience of everybody else working from home so far this week is that you're all either out on your bikes or watching Pornhub because there is absolutely SFA going on anywhere. No emails, no calls, nothing.
Good to hear. Very few other people are!You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
For what it is worth, my old nursery contract said that the parents pay for bank holiday closures, inset days etc. If the child is refused nursery due to staff shortages, then the nursery refunds it. All other closures are at the management's discretion.
The recourse the parents have is to provide one month's notice i.e. you are potentially on the hook for one month of fees.
They are currently trying to agree a reduced fee with parents.0 -
We could always work from home on a fairly regular basis, so it hasn't changed the amount of work. Still having the same regular meetings but now 100% over Teams instead of in person.Longshot said:Stevo_666 said:
I'm actually quite busy WFH. Part of it may be the organisation adjusting to doing this as it's the first week, but there is no shortage of work. I suppose that's a good thing...Longshot said:My own personal experience of everybody else working from home so far this week is that you're all either out on your bikes or watching Pornhub because there is absolutely SFA going on anywhere. No emails, no calls, nothing.
Good to hear. Very few other people are!0 -
Not much has changed for us yet. We have a few working from home as a precaution and some of us work from home regularly. There's possibly been a slight drop off in email traffic today.Longshot said:Stevo_666 said:
I'm actually quite busy WFH. Part of it may be the organisation adjusting to doing this as it's the first week, but there is no shortage of work. I suppose that's a good thing...Longshot said:My own personal experience of everybody else working from home so far this week is that you're all either out on your bikes or watching Pornhub because there is absolutely SFA going on anywhere. No emails, no calls, nothing.
Good to hear. Very few other people are!
I had to do a site visit in Dorset yesterday and you genuinely wouldn't have known there was anything up. I expected the town to be quiet out of season in any case but it was busy, a group of ramblers passed us who must have pretty much all been over 70 and the Wetherspoons was busy at 11.15am.0 -
And meanwhile the reports are that the Lombardy region alone has had 319 deaths in one day.0
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It looks like London needs locking down from the figures.0
