The big Coronavirus thread
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When I pointed out the other day that this wasn't his strategy you criticised me for being too literal but now you are back to seemingly suggesting it is his plan.surrey_commuter said:
The successful countries acted quickly and decisively. In other countries who delayed found it rapidly ran out of control.Pross said:
I've never said that, in fact I've asked several times without any real answer what others are doing that people we should be following and why. It feels like we're on a very similar path to others so I'm not sure why you are so convinced it is wrong.surrey_commuter said:Pross said:
Exactly, it's very easy to criticise but ultimately there isn't really anything much to help them make their decisions in recent memory and the world has changed vastly since similar pandemics. All the decisions and modelling are based on some form of guesswork and I don't see any way that a health service can be set up in a way that can easily adjust to situations like this.kingstongraham said:I seriously cannot imagine what it must feel like to be one of the decision makers now. Every choice is horrific, and every decision costs lives, regardless of what you decide.
You really think we have nothing to learn from other countries who have had the current virus?
Interesting story about Obama - every decision is hard (ie lose lose) because if it was easy it would not reach my desk. So don’t feel sorry for them as they chose the role.
Of course politicians are paid for making decisions in difficult circumstances but not many have to deal with something like this. It's unprecedented in my lifetime and surely the biggest global crisis since WW2. Sorting that for a salary of £150k? No thanks.
Boris open to let it run and then squash it down so that the optimum number of people were accessing the NHS. Turns out this will cost half a million lives and believing you can control it like a tap is cloud cuckoo land. But how could he possibly have known that?
People don’t fight all their lives to become PM for the £150k and if they don’t like tough decisions they should have found another ambition in life.
He is such an irresponsible cvnt playing his games with other peoples lives that he deserves to be one of the victims.
I certainly didn't vote for him and think he's pretty dangerous in what he'll do to further his career but still think following the advice of the Government's appointed experts (the CMO was originally employed under the coalition I believe) seems reasonable.0 -
Caretaker Taoiseach Leo Varadkar addressed the Irish nation tonight.
Expecting 15,000 case by the end of the month
Speech of his political life.
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
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Possibly just testing a lot more. Our percentage would be a lot lower if the actual number of cases is somewhere around what they suspect it may be.rick_chasey said:
Germans are doing something right.0 -
Interesting point about 4 months to prepare yet our hero made an appeal on television last week to see if anybody could manufacture ventilators.awavey said:
If I knew how long it would last, I probably wouldnt be sitting here chatting about itsurrey_commuter said:
Well the initial strategy was do nothing, from memory contain lasted about 4 days. So a day into delay, how long do you think it will last.
Do you think he abandoned Delay because he realised he is an idiot or because the electorate found out he was prepared to sacrifice half a million of them
the strategy wasnt do nothing, whether governments preparing for possible pandemics need to explain and detail everything theyve been upto the past 4 months up front so we as the mob can debate it for them and scare ourselves witless about it is itself debateable, Im sure in years to come books will be written explaining whats been going on, what worked what didnt, what was missed.
they progressed to the next stage of the plan, because the evidence they were getting and the modelling told them it was necessary to do so, just as the next stage of restrictions will come in on the same basis.
Just to share the blame around try telling a foreigner that or health minister has no medical background or of running massive organisations. Instead we chose somebody because they are slightly less thick than Grayling and not a leadership threat.0 -
This is the perfect example of how stats can easily misrepresent.rick_chasey said:
Germans are doing something right.
The only number that is accurate is deaths, however all countries are at different stages in their handling of this so comparing countries is currently pointless0 -
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rick_chasey said:
So if you extrapolate the imperial research onto the US you get 4 million dead in 3 months.
This is how seriously they're taking social distancing in Florida:
I think we're going to have proof that viruses don't make exceptions for ignorance.0 -
Similar scenes with the Brits abroad in Spain.0
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Well as it is hot weather and they are young you could argue they are making a rational decisionbriantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:So if you extrapolate the imperial research onto the US you get 4 million dead in 3 months.
This is how seriously they're taking social distancing in Florida:
I think we're going to have proof that viruses don't make exceptions for ignorance.0 -
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Got any evidence of that? Or are you just spreading fake news?fenix said:Similar scenes with the Brits abroad in Spain.
From what I can see the Spanish have gone draconian on locals and tourists alike and tourists are not allowed to leave their hotel to go to the beach
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Was in the news earlier this week.
Drunken Brit twats taunting the police in Benidorm.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
surrey_commuter said:
14 days to hit the quarterly rent and monthly wages, not a chance of Govt sorting anything.Pross said:
I'll see your French €300 billion and raise you!Stevo_666 said:Sunak has just unveiled a £330bn bailout package for the UK economy.
Hopefully the reality will be that those who need it can get access without too much hassle and red tape as quick access will be the key to many businesses surviving. It's a huge sum of money but I suspect the financial and social implications of the potential unemployment without it would be more damaging.
With everything else they have p1ssed against the wall that will get debt well over 100% and soaring like a rocket.
Nearly all rents are due to have been paid on Weds next week.You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
Not seen that. I'm mainly looking at the Canary Islands as I have connections there from regular holidays.pblakeney said:Was in the news earlier this week.
Drunken Brit twats taunting the police in Benidorm.
Those tw@ts are probably now stuck in their rooms for the rest of their time out here if not a police cell. As you say tw@ts0 -
Agreed. So many variables to consider, the vast majority of which are unprecedented and have the potential to impact lives in so many different ways. There has been, as far as I can see, very few examples of politicising the situation. Ultimately, the government will be held to account, but this is not the time for scoring political points. Having said that, I wish Dianne Abbott would give some interviews, that would give the country the boost it needs right now - just don't let her near the statistics.kingstongraham said:I seriously cannot imagine what it must feel like to be one of the decision makers now. Every choice is horrific, and every decision costs lives, regardless of what you decide.
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Different stages of grief. This is anger. We have had plenty of denial. Eventually, there will be acceptance.rjsterry said:
We get it. You hate Johnson with a passion but right now he is the only PM we've got. I can't begin to guess why you think any of this is his idea. He's not an originator of ideas.surrey_commuter said:
Well the initial strategy was do nothing, from memory contain lasted about 4 days. So a day into delay, how long do you think it will last.awavey said:
but I dont see that as theyve binned their strategy at all, the strategy was and still is, Contain, Delay,(Research) & Mitigate, we moved from Contain to Delay, even the news reporters who appeared half alseep in yesterdays press conference at least picked that bit up.rick_chasey said:
They’re doing a lot different.Pross said:
Has he? When I heard the CSA talking last week he was talking about moving away from containment to slowing the rate of spread when the time was right. Isn't this just that change of focus? The main change seems to be that he has belatedly accepted that he needs to personally be seen communicating with the country.surrey_commuter said:This thread is only six days old.
Am I right in thinking the PM has binned his strategy already?
I'm still not sure what people think other countries are doing that is better. Singapore, South Korea and Japan seem to be having better results but other than that the world seems to be on variations of the same theme as us. There really does seem to be a very fine line between minimising loss of life and minimising catastrophic impact on the economy and I'm not sure it's possible to walk it.
moving to Delay means the virus has become established in the UK, and further measures to reduce the rate and extent of the spread then happen, which include social distancing, encouraging wfh if possible, reducing large scale gatherings etc etc.
and thats exactly what is happening now we are firmly in Delay,and those measures will escalate if the spread increases rapidly in spite of these curtailment actions, theyve been open and honest about saying that.
so think of the strategy as absolutely nothing has been ruled out, just because this week theyve said we arent doing specifically this type of action yet, doesnt mean next week wont be the moment it happens instead, timing has been stressed throughout as the critical thing, and the right timing at that.
Do you think he abandoned Delay because he realised he is an idiot or because the electorate found out he was prepared to sacrifice half a million of them0 -
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crescent said:
...I wish Dianne Abbott would give some interviews, that would give the country the boost it needs right now - just don't let her near the statistics.
That made me LOL
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I am in the sadness stage. It is incredibly gloomy everywhere.rjsterry said:True enough.
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rick_chasey said:
So if you extrapolate the imperial research onto the US you get 4 million dead in 3 months.
Which indicates to me that the basis of their modelling is flawed. I know that this is based on the "worst case, do absolutely nothing" scenario but 4 million dead makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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2% of 60% of 350 millionkingstonian said:rick_chasey said:So if you extrapolate the imperial research onto the US you get 4 million dead in 3 months.
Which indicates to me that the basis of their modelling is flawed. I know that this is based on the "worst case, do absolutely nothing" scenario but 4 million dead makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
I haven't been outside all week, so it's not entirely sunk in for me yet. That's been bad enough.
Selfridges is closing after today - they'll be back, but given the state of the high street, I wonder what bricks and mortar establishments are never coming back after this.0 -
Well that'll be that than.tailwindhome said:
Yeah, office based as the hotel accountant.TheBigBean said:
That's not where I imagined you would work. I had you down as a Sammy Wilson look alike working in an office. I'll assume that I'll be put on block after that comment!tailwindhome said:
I work in a hotelrick_chasey said:Mate those shops and cafés won’t reopen if they can’t claim the insurance.
In NI
It's 7pm on the night before St Patricks Day
We have one table of 2 in the restaurant.
If the operational staff think it's grim they wanna see what I'm looking at.
NI no longer has an hospitality industry
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Slight aside, I notice you didn't deny the Sammy Wilson look alike accusation.tailwindhome said:
Well that'll be that than.tailwindhome said:
Yeah, office based as the hotel accountant.TheBigBean said:
That's not where I imagined you would work. I had you down as a Sammy Wilson look alike working in an office. I'll assume that I'll be put on block after that comment!tailwindhome said:
I work in a hotelrick_chasey said:Mate those shops and cafés won’t reopen if they can’t claim the insurance.
In NI
It's 7pm on the night before St Patricks Day
We have one table of 2 in the restaurant.
If the operational staff think it's grim they wanna see what I'm looking at.
NI no longer has an hospitality industry
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The 2% is where I think things are high. That seems to be about the number of deaths to confirmed cases but the reality is surely likely to be that actual cases are much higher and therefore the mortality rate will actually be much lower (see the Germany figures posted previously which could be simply down to them undertaking more tests).tailwindhome said:
2% of 60% of 350 millionkingstonian said:rick_chasey said:So if you extrapolate the imperial research onto the US you get 4 million dead in 3 months.
Which indicates to me that the basis of their modelling is flawed. I know that this is based on the "worst case, do absolutely nothing" scenario but 4 million dead makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.0 -
Under the circumstances I just decided to take it on the chinsTheBigBean said:
Slight aside, I notice you didn't deny the Sammy Wilson look alike accusation.tailwindhome said:
Well that'll be that than.tailwindhome said:
Yeah, office based as the hotel accountant.TheBigBean said:
That's not where I imagined you would work. I had you down as a Sammy Wilson look alike working in an office. I'll assume that I'll be put on block after that comment!tailwindhome said:
I work in a hotelrick_chasey said:Mate those shops and cafés won’t reopen if they can’t claim the insurance.
In NI
It's 7pm on the night before St Patricks Day
We have one table of 2 in the restaurant.
If the operational staff think it's grim they wanna see what I'm looking at.
NI no longer has an hospitality industry“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Glastonbury gone. Basically if anything was going to happen before end of June, seems like you can forget it.0
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While the 2% could be high I think that %age could depend on the demographics of the population.Pross said:
The 2% is where I think things are high. That seems to be about the number of deaths to confirmed cases but the reality is surely likely to be that actual cases are much higher and therefore the mortality rate will actually be much lower (see the Germany figures posted previously which could be simply down to them undertaking more tests).tailwindhome said:
2% of 60% of 350 millionkingstonian said:rick_chasey said:So if you extrapolate the imperial research onto the US you get 4 million dead in 3 months.
Which indicates to me that the basis of their modelling is flawed. I know that this is based on the "worst case, do absolutely nothing" scenario but 4 million dead makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
e.g. Italy has a lot of old people and particularly the old men, lots of them smoke.
Take most African countries. Because of lack of western level health care they do not have the number of old aged or people with underlying health conditions so the %age will be lower.
I'm expecting this to hit the First world more because of demographics than developing or poorer nations. I would say the US %age could be higher than most because of this0 -
Realistically, it will be longer than that.kingstongraham said:Glastonbury gone. Basically if anything was going to happen before end of June, seems like you can forget it.
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