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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    Just had to go to the supermarket (my daughter is shopping for her grandparents and hadn't thought to take a coin for the trolley so I had to go and get one for her while she started shopping with a basket!). The roads seemed busy and the supermarket was very busy with predominantly people over 70. I can understand that not all older people are able to stay indoors and rely on others to shop for them but I saw numerous examples of them standing in groups chatting to each other and in one case shaking hands. What can you do?
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    rjsterry said:

    Where's the "200k out of the 250k" would have died this year come from? Pure speculation?

    Yes, rough guess. I was using it to represent the example of double counting which is distorting the total death numbers from C19
    Do you know that the numbers in the Imperial study do not already account for this?
    I don't think it's likely that they have deducted numbers of people who were likely to die anyway within a similar time period from the results of their modelling.
    You also need to add on the number who would have recovered from other conditions but now can't as there's no capacity in the NHS.

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  • joe2019
    joe2019 Posts: 1,338
    edited March 2020
    Pross said:

    Just had to go to the supermarket (my daughter is shopping for her grandparents and hadn't thought to take a coin for the trolley so I had to go and get one for her while she started shopping with a basket!). The roads seemed busy and the supermarket was very busy with predominantly people over 70. I can understand that not all older people are able to stay indoors and rely on others to shop for them but I saw numerous examples of them standing in groups chatting to each other and in one case shaking hands. What can you do?

    My local gym is advertising 'Group Session - Business as Usual' for tonight.

    It's a very small one-man-band gym in a remote community, however, the instructor doesn't live in the community, so, will be bringing his germs with him, but it's OK because 'the gym is kept exceptionally clean at all times'... by the instructor.

    Words fail me.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Longshot said:

    More on schools:

    "Schools supporting key workers' children will be expected to remain open during the Easter holidays, while officials are considering who is classed under this category."

    From BBC News.

    Expecting a teacher-led meltdown.

    Given that teachers' kids do appear to be included on the go-to-school list do I assume that my kids won't be getting their Easter holiday this year? Could the Education Secretary please be the one to tell them?

    Point out to them that Easter holidays disappeared weeks ago. Then ask them what exactly they think they will do each day for the next 3 months because all the fun stuff will be on the prohibited list
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569

    Me and my wife are not key workers so come Monday I will be doing home school and I'll have to work in the evening. This is what I did when Erika was born so here we go again.

    My take is there is 12 months of this disruption to come. I just wonder if there will be a functioning economy at the end of it.

    According to the Imperial study it's 24 months (estimated time to develop and distribute a vaccine, and for the vaccine to have an effect on spread)
  • Longshot
    Longshot Posts: 940

    Longshot said:

    More on schools:

    "Schools supporting key workers' children will be expected to remain open during the Easter holidays, while officials are considering who is classed under this category."

    From BBC News.

    Expecting a teacher-led meltdown.

    Given that teachers' kids do appear to be included on the go-to-school list do I assume that my kids won't be getting their Easter holiday this year? Could the Education Secretary please be the one to tell them?

    Point out to them that Easter holidays disappeared weeks ago. Then ask them what exactly they think they will do each day for the next 3 months because all the fun stuff will be on the prohibited list

    No thanks.
    You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.
  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368

    rjsterry said:

    Where's the "200k out of the 250k" would have died this year come from? Pure speculation?

    Yes, rough guess. I was using it to represent the example of double counting which is distorting the total death numbers from C19
    Do you know that the numbers in the Imperial study do not already account for this?
    I don't think it's likely that they have deducted numbers of people who were likely to die anyway within a similar time period from the results of their modelling.
    You also need to add on the number who would have recovered from other conditions but now can't as there's no capacity in the NHS.

    Plus those with conditions that will go undetected as a result on directing everything to solve the Covid19 problem, and likely increased suicide rates,domestic abuse,child abuse.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Why do we think Brits are panic buying more than other nations? Is it because they are looking across Europe and taking sensible precautions? Or lost faith in our leadership.

    In true Surrey style there are queues to get into Majestic
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593

    Longshot said:

    More on schools:

    "Schools supporting key workers' children will be expected to remain open during the Easter holidays, while officials are considering who is classed under this category."

    From BBC News.

    Expecting a teacher-led meltdown.

    Given that teachers' kids do appear to be included on the go-to-school list do I assume that my kids won't be getting their Easter holiday this year? Could the Education Secretary please be the one to tell them?

    Point out to them that Easter holidays disappeared weeks ago. Then ask them what exactly they think they will do each day for the next 3 months because all the fun stuff will be on the prohibited list
    Listening to the Radio 5 bit on the impacts on education yesterday and it felt very much like there was a big split between teachers who realised that they have a very important role to play in the next few months and those who were whingeing about the impact on them. I find that's quite a common split in the teaching professions (I have quite a few amongst friends and family) and the current situation is just making it more obvious.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459

    Why do we think Brits are panic buying more than other nations? Is it because they are looking across Europe and taking sensible precautions? Or lost faith in our leadership.

    In true Surrey style there are queues to get into Majestic

    Because our TVs now allow us to see 2 weeks into the future
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    May be posted already cba checking

    Loved the Danish(?) chemists approach to pricing

    1 bottle hand san 5 euro
    2nd bottle and every additional bottle 100 euro
    “New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Pross said:

    Longshot said:

    More on schools:

    "Schools supporting key workers' children will be expected to remain open during the Easter holidays, while officials are considering who is classed under this category."

    From BBC News.

    Expecting a teacher-led meltdown.

    Given that teachers' kids do appear to be included on the go-to-school list do I assume that my kids won't be getting their Easter holiday this year? Could the Education Secretary please be the one to tell them?

    Point out to them that Easter holidays disappeared weeks ago. Then ask them what exactly they think they will do each day for the next 3 months because all the fun stuff will be on the prohibited list
    Listening to the Radio 5 bit on the impacts on education yesterday and it felt very much like there was a big split between teachers who realised that they have a very important role to play in the next few months and those who were whingeing about the impact on them. I find that's quite a common split in the teaching professions (I have quite a few amongst friends and family) and the current situation is just making it more obvious.

    Yep, it's a real shame.

    At the school where my wife works, plenty of teachers and TA's have already volunteered to work through the Easter holiday period if required.
  • Longshot
    Longshot Posts: 940

    Pross said:

    Longshot said:

    More on schools:

    "Schools supporting key workers' children will be expected to remain open during the Easter holidays, while officials are considering who is classed under this category."

    From BBC News.

    Expecting a teacher-led meltdown.

    Given that teachers' kids do appear to be included on the go-to-school list do I assume that my kids won't be getting their Easter holiday this year? Could the Education Secretary please be the one to tell them?

    Point out to them that Easter holidays disappeared weeks ago. Then ask them what exactly they think they will do each day for the next 3 months because all the fun stuff will be on the prohibited list
    Listening to the Radio 5 bit on the impacts on education yesterday and it felt very much like there was a big split between teachers who realised that they have a very important role to play in the next few months and those who were whingeing about the impact on them. I find that's quite a common split in the teaching professions (I have quite a few amongst friends and family) and the current situation is just making it more obvious.

    Yep, it's a real shame.

    At the school where my wife works, plenty of teachers and TA's have already volunteered to work through the Easter holiday period if required.

    It's not the teachers that I was referring to but their kids.
    You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,459
    I just found 4 paracetamol in my desk drawer.
    Yeoooww!!
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  • Longshot
    Longshot Posts: 940
    Sky have emailed to say that the Sky Sports subscription can be paused for no fee if you wish.
    You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.
  • mr_goo
    mr_goo Posts: 3,770

    I just found 4 paracetamol in my desk drawer.
    Yeoooww!!

    I'm allergic to paracetamol, makes me very asthmatic. My go to pain killer is Ibuprofen. Which seemingly may not be advisable.
    Mrs Goo suggested I try paracetamol again incase I'm ok with it. Or is she just hopeful of cashing in my life policy?
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  • mrb123
    mrb123 Posts: 4,833
    mr_goo said:

    I just found 4 paracetamol in my desk drawer.
    Yeoooww!!

    I'm allergic to paracetamol, makes me very asthmatic. My go to pain killer is Ibuprofen. Which seemingly may not be advisable.
    Mrs Goo suggested I try paracetamol again incase I'm ok with it. Or is she just hopeful of cashing in my life policy?
    Has she suggested you take 50?
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    People round here have lost it and are queueing outside every food shop, even the greengrocers, the butcher cleared out of everything except a few sausages and bacon
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593

    Why do we think Brits are panic buying more than other nations? Is it because they are looking across Europe and taking sensible precautions? Or lost faith in our leadership.

    In true Surrey style there are queues to get into Majestic

    Media and social media showing photos of empty shelves and in then just self-perpetuates as more reasonable people who are starting to run low on items feel the need to get out and get stuff before they run out. Possibly also the UK supermarket system that means stores are open 24 hours and so never manage to fully re-stock. I don't think people understand the 'just in time' delivery philosophy and so equate low stock on shelves with there being shortages. I'm not sure if supermarkets operate the same in other countries but it has never felt that way on my trips to France.
  • verylonglegs
    verylonglegs Posts: 4,023
    Some people must have had enormous spare freezer space. I can't help but think a lot of it will get wasted.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,593
    Food really shouldn't be an issue at the moment. If it gets seriously impacted it will be once production lines in factories can't keep up due to staff illness, if imports get restricted or longer term if this years harvests don't happen.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    I assume the panic buying will die down in a couple of days you can only hoard so much especially as it seems to include fresh food.
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  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,490

    Some people must have had enormous spare freezer space. I can't help but think a lot of it will get wasted.

    Part of the panic buying included chest freezers.
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  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Just received an email from my solicitors this morning to say my has pulled out of buying my flat, i assume to to corona, but don't know for sure.

    That was my 4th buyer for my flat.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,718
    pblakeney said:

    Some people must have had enormous spare freezer space. I can't help but think a lot of it will get wasted.

    Part of the panic buying included chest freezers.

    Yep, heard of a local shop where they'd just agreed the sale of the last freezer in the shop (of 19!), and somebody barged in and offered to pay £100 over the odds for it...
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,813

    Interesting news yesterday evening that a test to detect antibodies is expected to be available very soon (potentially even next week). Also, a trial of a new treatment designed to reduce the effect of Covid-19 on the lungs is about to kick off too.

    I guess there will be a lot of hopeful news about vaccines and drugs to reduce the effect, but it'll be the usual of I'll believe it when I see it. They probably will get a vaccine and hopefully relegate COVID-19 to one of the diseases that are covered by our annual flu jab but we can't count on it in the short term.
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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Stevo_666 said:

    Interesting news yesterday evening that a test to detect antibodies is expected to be available very soon (potentially even next week). Also, a trial of a new treatment designed to reduce the effect of Covid-19 on the lungs is about to kick off too.

    I guess there will be a lot of hopeful news about vaccines and drugs to reduce the effect, but it'll be the usual of I'll believe it when I see it. They probably will get a vaccine and hopefully relegate COVID-19 to one of the diseases that are covered by our annual flu jab but we can't count on it in the short term.


    Absolutely agree on the timescales for a vaccine.

  • awavey
    awavey Posts: 2,368

    I assume the panic buying will die down in a couple of days you can only hoard so much especially as it seems to include fresh food.

    I've been assuming that for the past week,it ain't happened yet:(

    And I agree we are in the people react to reports of panic buying by panic buying, and just in time deliveries arent helping things.

    But when will a semblance of normality return to it ? Ill be running out of fairly basic stuff by next week unless the situation improves.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,718
    awavey said:

    I assume the panic buying will die down in a couple of days you can only hoard so much especially as it seems to include fresh food.

    I've been assuming that for the past week,it ain't happened yet:(

    And I agree we are in the people react to reports of panic buying by panic buying, and just in time deliveries arent helping things.

    But when will a semblance of normality return to it ? Ill be running out of fairly basic stuff by next week unless the situation improves.
    So far, the little local Co-op's been fine, but the Aldi up the road's been bonkers. But then the baskets in the Co-op are small, and the social disapproval would be obvious... plus I think the people on the till wouldn't allow silly quantities of anything.
  • twotoebenny
    twotoebenny Posts: 1,542
    edited March 2020
    No exams in Scotland been announced, apparently for the first time since 1880s...