The big Coronavirus thread
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For further perspective, that 60k is just an additional 0.1% of the population , not the total dead.kingstonian said:I'd want to be doing everything in my power to reduce the 60,000 number as much as possible.
To put it into context, I happen to support Spurs and the capacity of our new stadium is just over 60,000. I can't fathom making a decision that would knowingly result in the death of that number of people.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Over a 20 year period your precious Brexit will do multiple times the damage the Coronavirus will inflict. I really don’t get your thinking of trading economic growth for sovereignty yet you would trade deaths for economic growth.coopster_the_1st said:
Your Marvel reference is lost on me.tailwindhome said:Hey Coop.
You know Thanos was the bad guy, yeah?
Denial just means you are making the hurt last longer. In this situation we are severely hurting 60,000,000 for probably a difference of 60,0000 -
If that is the hill you want to die on, I'll leave you to itsurrey_commuter said:
Over a 20 year period your precious Brexit will do multiple times the damage the Coronavirus will inflict. I really don’t get your thinking of trading economic growth for sovereignty yet you would trade deaths for economic growth.coopster_the_1st said:
Your Marvel reference is lost on me.tailwindhome said:Hey Coop.
You know Thanos was the bad guy, yeah?
Denial just means you are making the hurt last longer. In this situation we are severely hurting 60,000,000 for probably a difference of 60,000
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You'd sacrifice your own father instead of stay home as much as possible for 6 months?coopster_the_1st said:
Yes, my father is top of the list of the most vulnerable and I also have many wider family in the vulnerable group. However for all those that I refer to as vulnerable, there is at least a 4-1 ratio that are going to have to somehow pick up the peices after this.pblakeney said:
0.8% of the population is “only” 520,000.coopster_the_1st said:I understand the need to protect the NHS from collapsing but how long do we allow 60m to suffer to protect less than 0.6% of the population and the measures being taken may only move that number by 0.1% or 0 2%
We will not start to recover from this until this reality becomes accepted.
Hope your family aren’t amongst them.
I have accepted that if those vulnerable family members catch the virus they are likely to die. I cannot accept the damage to my family and wider family that this is going to cause for trying to move the number that die by 0.1%, to maybe give them 2, 3, 5 more years of life.
This is the stark reality of this situation.
I 'm aware currently the measures are in place to stop the NHS from collapsing but hard choices are going to have to be made soon. We won't like the answers we choose but it is better for those of us that have to live with the consequences for decades to come0 -
I don't think you realise the enomity of a 6 month shutdown. Only a vaccine is going to allow us to lift the shutdown and that does not look like it is 6 months awaykingstongraham said:
You'd sacrifice your own father instead of stay home as much as possible for 6 months?coopster_the_1st said:
Yes, my father is top of the list of the most vulnerable and I also have many wider family in the vulnerable group. However for all those that I refer to as vulnerable, there is at least a 4-1 ratio that are going to have to somehow pick up the peices after this.pblakeney said:
0.8% of the population is “only” 520,000.coopster_the_1st said:I understand the need to protect the NHS from collapsing but how long do we allow 60m to suffer to protect less than 0.6% of the population and the measures being taken may only move that number by 0.1% or 0 2%
We will not start to recover from this until this reality becomes accepted.
Hope your family aren’t amongst them.
I have accepted that if those vulnerable family members catch the virus they are likely to die. I cannot accept the damage to my family and wider family that this is going to cause for trying to move the number that die by 0.1%, to maybe give them 2, 3, 5 more years of life.
This is the stark reality of this situation.
I 'm aware currently the measures are in place to stop the NHS from collapsing but hard choices are going to have to be made soon. We won't like the answers we choose but it is better for those of us that have to live with the consequences for decades to come
I am not sacraficing my father, he is now self isolated and I do not expect to see him again in person. If he gets this virus he will die, and its going to be very difficult for that not to happen with at least 60% of the public expected to get it.0 -
I think that someone has to come to terms with the new reality.
The economy is already down the tubes and going to get worse regardless of what BJ does.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
In the ICL documnet the minimum deaths projected is 5,300 max 550,000.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1jIx0d9k6Z34SFt0XpY0SXJszq6hnCiVvQVNnd_fPs6oIOIVDcoEvmUHI
Page 13 and 14 have the relevant tables. Remember that projections aren't facts.
The idea is to choose an "on trigger" point (ICU bed occupancy for Covid 19 cases) to start the various measures (social distancing, case isolation, whole houshold quarantine, school and college closures) and an "off trigger" at which to ease measures in order to allow the disease to slowly take it's course (rather than staying in lockdown continuously and just moving the big peak a few months down the line). No one is proposing a 6 month UK lockdown.
Projections are for "on" and "off" trigger points to be used for 24 months to allow time for vaccines to be developed.
Max ICU availabliity is 5,000 and that has to cover all crititcal illness, not just Covid 19. There are not many boxes on the relevant tables that show less than 5,000 peak bed use.
Personally, I can't afford 3 - 12 months off work in the next two years to avoid the vulnerable person in my house getting the disease, if I can't get some sort of compensation we would go under.
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I see that we have a war chest of 12 billion to fight the financial aspects of the virus.
Divide that by 66 million and it doesn’t go far.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Re 'catastrophe' in the US: projected 2.2m dead if they'd stuck with Trump's original 'fingers crossed' policy. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/us/coronavirus-fatality-rate-white-house.html At least that policy seems to have been abandoned to a degree, but possibly too little and too late.
Who'd have thought that having an incompetent mobster narcissist with too much power could have negative consequences?0 -
Expect that to increase.pblakeney said:I see that we have a war chest of 12 billion to fight the financial aspects of the virus.
Divide that by 66 million and it doesn’t go far.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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And the population to decrease.rjsterry said:
Expect that to increase.pblakeney said:I see that we have a war chest of 12 billion to fight the financial aspects of the virus.
Divide that by 66 million and it doesn’t go far.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
The twat had already embarked on the largest ever fiscal expansion, so what are his options switch money from his bridge fund or borrow more?rjsterry said:
Expect that to increase.pblakeney said:I see that we have a war chest of 12 billion to fight the financial aspects of the virus.
Divide that by 66 million and it doesn’t go far.0 -
Macron has offered up to €300bn so.surrey_commuter said:
The censored had already embarked on the largest ever fiscal expansion, so what are his options switch money from his bridge fund or borrow more?rjsterry said:
Expect that to increase.pblakeney said:I see that we have a war chest of 12 billion to fight the financial aspects of the virus.
Divide that by 66 million and it doesn’t go far.0 -
I think this might just take priority over HS2. The nearest equivalent this country has seen was the outbreak of WW2. I would expect similar borrowing, expenditure and repayment over decades to get through it.surrey_commuter said:
The censored had already embarked on the largest ever fiscal expansion, so what are his options switch money from his bridge fund or borrow more?rjsterry said:
Expect that to increase.pblakeney said:I see that we have a war chest of 12 billion to fight the financial aspects of the virus.
Divide that by 66 million and it doesn’t go far.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
On the plus side there will be very few countries that will be significantly less affected and therefore at commercial advantage. Maybe china is an outlier due to their healthy balance sheet.rjsterry said:
I think this might just take priority over HS2. The nearest equivalent this country has seen was the outbreak of WW2. I would expect similar borrowing, expenditure and repayment over decades to get through it.surrey_commuter said:
The censored had already embarked on the largest ever fiscal expansion, so what are his options switch money from his bridge fund or borrow more?rjsterry said:
Expect that to increase.pblakeney said:I see that we have a war chest of 12 billion to fight the financial aspects of the virus.
Divide that by 66 million and it doesn’t go far.0 -
With HS2 we could get corona virus from London to Nottingham 45 minutes quicker than we can at present.
The older I get, the better I was.0 -
but I dont see that as theyve binned their strategy at all, the strategy was and still is, Contain, Delay,(Research) & Mitigate, we moved from Contain to Delay, even the news reporters who appeared half alseep in yesterdays press conference at least picked that bit up.rick_chasey said:
They’re doing a lot different.Pross said:
Has he? When I heard the CSA talking last week he was talking about moving away from containment to slowing the rate of spread when the time was right. Isn't this just that change of focus? The main change seems to be that he has belatedly accepted that he needs to personally be seen communicating with the country.surrey_commuter said:This thread is only six days old.
Am I right in thinking the PM has binned his strategy already?
I'm still not sure what people think other countries are doing that is better. Singapore, South Korea and Japan seem to be having better results but other than that the world seems to be on variations of the same theme as us. There really does seem to be a very fine line between minimising loss of life and minimising catastrophic impact on the economy and I'm not sure it's possible to walk it.
moving to Delay means the virus has become established in the UK, and further measures to reduce the rate and extent of the spread then happen, which include social distancing, encouraging wfh if possible, reducing large scale gatherings etc etc.
and thats exactly what is happening now we are firmly in Delay,and those measures will escalate if the spread increases rapidly in spite of these curtailment actions, theyve been open and honest about saying that.
so think of the strategy as absolutely nothing has been ruled out, just because this week theyve said we arent doing specifically this type of action yet, doesnt mean next week wont be the moment it happens instead, timing has been stressed throughout as the critical thing, and the right timing at that.0 -
There was some discussion elsewhere about Chaos Theory
Whatever happened in a wet market in Wuhan China led to the cancellation of world sport“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1 -
Saw a commuter at the lights for the crossroads at Chelsea Embankment / Chelsea Bridge snort out a massive snot rocket.
Not the most polite thing at the best of times, but in the current climate...0 -
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!1
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How things change, yesterday he would have been doing his bit for herd immunity.elbowloh said:Saw a commuter at the lights for the crossroads at Chelsea Embankment / Chelsea Bridge snort out a massive snot rocket.
Not the most polite thing at the best of times, but in the current climate...0 -
Attendance register starting to look like this...
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... meanwhile, I'm getting really depressed at the crap flying round social media.
Can we ever recover from the prevailing culture that says that anyone who disagrees with me in the slightest must be "LITERALLY ****ING INSANE!!!!!!!!!"?0 -
bompington said:
... meanwhile, I'm getting really depressed at the censored flying round social media.
Can we ever recover from the prevailing culture that says that anyone who disagrees with me in the slightest must be "LITERALLY ****ING INSANE!!!!!!!!!"?
NO! LUNATIC!You can fool some of the people all of the time. Concentrate on those people.0 -
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Shut yer face, weirdo !!!!!!bompington said:... meanwhile, I'm getting really depressed at the censored flying round social media.
Can we ever recover from the prevailing culture that says that anyone who disagrees with me in the slightest must be "LITERALLY ****ING INSANE!!!!!!!!!"?0 -
There are only 3 certainties in life:
Death
Taxes
The need to score points off people you don't know on the internet.0 -
Absence codes are now spreading faster than the virus:bompington said:Attendance register starting to look like this...
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Former nursery has business interruption insurance which includes pandemics, but the insurer is claiming that because corona is a new disease it is not included within the policy. Boo to the insurer.0
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wut?TheBigBean said:Former nursery has business interruption insurance which includes pandemics, but the insurer is claiming that because corona is a new disease it is not included within the policy. Boo to the insurer.
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