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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Is it unfair to say that the unvaccinated are sociopaths intent on prolonging restrictions? And if so, why?
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  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,814
    rick_chasey said:

    Is it unfair to say that the unvaccinated are sociopaths intent on prolonging restrictions? And if so, why?

    They are not intent on prolonging restrictions, just ignorant and have no desire to be educated. Sociopaths is fair.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    veronese68 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Is it unfair to say that the unvaccinated are sociopaths intent on prolonging restrictions? And if so, why?

    They are not intent on prolonging restrictions, just ignorant and have no desire to be educated. Sociopaths is fair.
    No, it isn't. Lack of consequential thinking, selfishness perhaps, stupidity certainly.

    But sociopathy is basically psychopathology lite and is completely different.

    In fact, the anti vaxers are actually quite the opposite. By and large they are sheep, following a herd. They've just chosen the wrong herd.
  • Ben6899
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    Yeh, "sociopath" is giving them too much credit.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Notable lack of fresh produce available for delivery tomorrow from Tesco online

    Don't know if that's random shortage, covid, brexit, or some combination thereof
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    tailwindhome said:

    Notable lack of fresh produce available for delivery tomorrow from Tesco online

    Don't know if that's random shortage, covid, brexit, or some combination thereof

    New year would have thought. Always like that.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    I'm sure the unvaccinated will receive a collective Darwin award, but I can't get too annoyed about it. Otherwise, I'd need to be irritated by any activity that seems to waste NHS time unnecessarily e.g. horse riding.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    TheBigBean said:

    I'm sure the unvaccinated will receive a collective Darwin award, but I can't get too annoyed about it. Otherwise, I'd need to be irritated by any activity that seems to waste NHS time unnecessarily e.g. horse riding.

    Is horse riding contagious?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    First.Aspect said:

    TheBigBean said:

    I'm sure the unvaccinated will receive a collective Darwin award, but I can't get too annoyed about it. Otherwise, I'd need to be irritated by any activity that seems to waste NHS time unnecessarily e.g. horse riding.

    Is horse riding contagious?
    No, but I don't think the unvaccinated are driving infections at the moment.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    TheBigBean said:

    First.Aspect said:

    TheBigBean said:

    I'm sure the unvaccinated will receive a collective Darwin award, but I can't get too annoyed about it. Otherwise, I'd need to be irritated by any activity that seems to waste NHS time unnecessarily e.g. horse riding.

    Is horse riding contagious?
    No, but I don't think the unvaccinated are driving infections at the moment.
    Perhaps not right now, but after they've updated the vaccine? And a month ago?
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    First.Aspect said:

    TheBigBean said:

    First.Aspect said:

    TheBigBean said:

    I'm sure the unvaccinated will receive a collective Darwin award, but I can't get too annoyed about it. Otherwise, I'd need to be irritated by any activity that seems to waste NHS time unnecessarily e.g. horse riding.

    Is horse riding contagious?
    No, but I don't think the unvaccinated are driving infections at the moment.
    Perhaps not right now, but after they've updated the vaccine? And a month ago?
    I think there is enough evidence that vaccinated people are perfectly good at spreading it. Yes, there is an argument that they spread it a bit less and not for as long, but the difference isn't enough for me to care. So I'm mostly only concerned about the unvaccinated affecting others by overwhelming the NHS. I think this is a stronger concern than people riding horses as they waste NHS time evenly over the year.

  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    TheBigBean said:

    I'm sure the unvaccinated will receive a collective Darwin award, but I can't get too annoyed about it. Otherwise, I'd need to be irritated by any activity that seems to waste NHS time unnecessarily e.g. horse riding.

    Or cyclists, who get run over when they should be in cars.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    Jezyboy said:

    TheBigBean said:

    I'm sure the unvaccinated will receive a collective Darwin award, but I can't get too annoyed about it. Otherwise, I'd need to be irritated by any activity that seems to waste NHS time unnecessarily e.g. horse riding.

    Or cyclists, who get run over when they should be in cars.
    Well, yes, that is inconsiderate of the cyclists, but I read that cycling increases life expectancy, so those incidents are offset by less NHS usage elsewhere.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Or people doing stressful jobs who end up with dementia. Etc etc.

    It's a stupid analogy BB.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    TheBigBean said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Notable lack of fresh produce available for delivery tomorrow from Tesco online

    Don't know if that's random shortage, covid, brexit, or some combination thereof

    New year would have thought. Always like that.
    Possibly yeah.
    Supply chains taking a couple of days to get going again
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  • rick_chasey
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    Wondering how long Macron is going to leave the UK on the naughty step, given that they've had cases over 200k three days in a row, and have just reduced the quarantine period for people who have tested positive, and Germany has already announced it's allowing Britons in again. The initial justification is looking more and more ridiculous. At least the UK withdrew the block on African countries once it became clear that omicron was endemic here.

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say a week, with some flimsy 'explanation'.
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,559
    briantrumpet said:

    Wondering how long Macron is going to leave the UK on the naughty step, given that they've had cases over 200k three days in a row, and have just reduced the quarantine period for people who have tested positive, and Germany has already announced it's allowing Britons in again. The initial justification is looking more and more ridiculous. At least the UK withdrew the block on African countries once it became clear that omicron was endemic here.

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say a week, with some flimsy 'explanation'.

    The current decree runs until 15th January. He won't change anything before then, and probably will keep the ban on the UK passport holders as it suits his political agenda.
    The French ski resorts are really going to suffer this month which is when they are really propped up by British skiers. Reports that New Year week has been really quiet too, yet it should have been the busiest week of the season.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Dorset_Boy said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Wondering how long Macron is going to leave the UK on the naughty step, given that they've had cases over 200k three days in a row, and have just reduced the quarantine period for people who have tested positive, and Germany has already announced it's allowing Britons in again. The initial justification is looking more and more ridiculous. At least the UK withdrew the block on African countries once it became clear that omicron was endemic here.

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say a week, with some flimsy 'explanation'.

    The current decree runs until 15th January. He won't change anything before then, and probably will keep the ban on the UK passport holders as it suits his political agenda.
    The French ski resorts are really going to suffer this month which is when they are really propped up by British skiers. Reports that New Year week has been really quiet too, yet it should have been the busiest week of the season.

    A backtrack in the second half of January seems very likely. Which incidentally helps me out as I’m due to be in La Plagne in early Feb.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    rick_chasey said:

    Darwinism at its finest.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    kingstonian said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Wondering how long Macron is going to leave the UK on the naughty step, given that they've had cases over 200k three days in a row, and have just reduced the quarantine period for people who have tested positive, and Germany has already announced it's allowing Britons in again. The initial justification is looking more and more ridiculous. At least the UK withdrew the block on African countries once it became clear that omicron was endemic here.

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say a week, with some flimsy 'explanation'.

    The current decree runs until 15th January. He won't change anything before then, and probably will keep the ban on the UK passport holders as it suits his political agenda.
    The French ski resorts are really going to suffer this month which is when they are really propped up by British skiers. Reports that New Year week has been really quiet too, yet it should have been the busiest week of the season.

    A backtrack in the second half of January seems very likely. Which incidentally helps me out as I’m due to be in La Plagne in early Feb.

    Fingers crossed. I'm hoping to go 18 Feb.
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  • Pross
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    rick_chasey said:

    Judging by the picture something would have finished him off soon even if Covid didn't exist
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    kingstonian said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Wondering how long Macron is going to leave the UK on the naughty step, given that they've had cases over 200k three days in a row, and have just reduced the quarantine period for people who have tested positive, and Germany has already announced it's allowing Britons in again. The initial justification is looking more and more ridiculous. At least the UK withdrew the block on African countries once it became clear that omicron was endemic here.

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say a week, with some flimsy 'explanation'.

    The current decree runs until 15th January. He won't change anything before then, and probably will keep the ban on the UK passport holders as it suits his political agenda.
    The French ski resorts are really going to suffer this month which is when they are really propped up by British skiers. Reports that New Year week has been really quiet too, yet it should have been the busiest week of the season.

    A backtrack in the second half of January seems very likely. Which incidentally helps me out as I’m due to be in La Plagne in early Feb.
    Hope you're taking AlpyBus!! ;)

    It is notably quiet here, although the Dutch, Belgians and Spanish were flooding into VT tonight...
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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    ddraver said:

    kingstonian said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Wondering how long Macron is going to leave the UK on the naughty step, given that they've had cases over 200k three days in a row, and have just reduced the quarantine period for people who have tested positive, and Germany has already announced it's allowing Britons in again. The initial justification is looking more and more ridiculous. At least the UK withdrew the block on African countries once it became clear that omicron was endemic here.

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say a week, with some flimsy 'explanation'.

    The current decree runs until 15th January. He won't change anything before then, and probably will keep the ban on the UK passport holders as it suits his political agenda.
    The French ski resorts are really going to suffer this month which is when they are really propped up by British skiers. Reports that New Year week has been really quiet too, yet it should have been the busiest week of the season.

    A backtrack in the second half of January seems very likely. Which incidentally helps me out as I’m due to be in La Plagne in early Feb.
    Hope you're taking AlpyBus!! ;)

    It is notably quiet here, although the Dutch, Belgians and Spanish were flooding into VT tonight...

    I’m not, we’re hiring a car mainly because I need to pop to Moutiêrs one evening to see an old friend. But will keep details of AlpyBus for the future.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,559
    kingstonian said:

    ddraver said:

    kingstonian said:

    Dorset_Boy said:

    briantrumpet said:

    Wondering how long Macron is going to leave the UK on the naughty step, given that they've had cases over 200k three days in a row, and have just reduced the quarantine period for people who have tested positive, and Germany has already announced it's allowing Britons in again. The initial justification is looking more and more ridiculous. At least the UK withdrew the block on African countries once it became clear that omicron was endemic here.

    I'm going to stick my neck out and say a week, with some flimsy 'explanation'.

    The current decree runs until 15th January. He won't change anything before then, and probably will keep the ban on the UK passport holders as it suits his political agenda.
    The French ski resorts are really going to suffer this month which is when they are really propped up by British skiers. Reports that New Year week has been really quiet too, yet it should have been the busiest week of the season.

    A backtrack in the second half of January seems very likely. Which incidentally helps me out as I’m due to be in La Plagne in early Feb.
    Hope you're taking AlpyBus!! ;)

    It is notably quiet here, although the Dutch, Belgians and Spanish were flooding into VT tonight...

    I’m not, we’re hiring a car mainly because I need to pop to Moutiêrs one evening to see an old friend. But will keep details of AlpyBus for the future.
    If you can, (ie if not snowy or icy) take the D88 descent from Notre Dame du Pre to Les Bermonts and then join the valley road there. we rode down there on the 2019 Etape. Hairpin central!
  • briantrumpet
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    Dr Raghib Ali, a senior clinical research associate at the University of Cambridge’s MRC epidemiology unit said:

    The reason it matters when it peaks – and particularly when cases peak in the over-50s – is it’s likely that a week later we’ll see the peak in hospitalisations, and roughly two weeks later, we’ll see a peak in the number of deaths. It’s helpful, because it helps us to plan ahead.

    In London, cases appear to have stabilised, or even fallen during the past two weeks. New hospitalisations also appear to have stabilised in recent days, with 319 people admitted with Covid-19 on 31 December, compared with 450 the day before, and 511 the day before that.

    Ali said:

    We would guess, based on what case numbers are doing in London, that the peak in hospital admissions should be this week, and nationally, maybe a week later.

    This is roughly in line with the scenarios outlined in modelling studies, which suggest Omicron cases will peak in early-mid January. However, the magnitude of the peak appears to be significantly lower than some of the worst case scenarios predicted.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/jan/03/covid-news-live-4000-more-flights-cancelled-over-omicron-israel-to-offer-fourth-jab-to-over-60s

    Devon & Cornwall seem to have just started catching up, and I see that the Welsh Valleys are full-on omicronning now.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I guess in a world where there was remarkably little global co-ordination between governments (which, lucky for them, relied on fairly good global co-ordination between private firms...), national league tables are a thing.

    https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/which-economies-have-done-best-and-worst-during-the-pandemic/21806917


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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    rick_chasey said:

    I guess in a world where there was remarkably little global co-ordination between governments (which, lucky for them, relied on fairly good global co-ordination between private firms...), national league tables are a thing.

    https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/which-economies-have-done-best-and-worst-during-the-pandemic/21806917


    Why does that table refer to Britain rather than the UK?
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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    What is going on with Ireland and Chile?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    I am not the author of the article nor the table.
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