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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    rick_chasey said:

    Deaths now climbing quite sharply (albiet from a lowish base), double from what they were last week.

    Is this not a steadier climb disguised by under reporting last week and over reporting this week?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Deaths now climbing quite sharply (albiet from a lowish base), double from what they were last week.

    Is this not a steadier climb disguised by under reporting last week and over reporting this week?
    I have no idea about the details.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,551
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    20% full today here. Definitely quiet on the train.

    2-3 days in the office is so ideal for me - I get the boost from being in but miss out on the fatigue of the (lengthy) commute.

    Long term ,if that remains the norm, that is a huge win for me. Massive. Has made me feel much happier both about my job and about my own personal life.

    For all the grief of corona, just from my own personal perspective, ignoring the cost to anyone apart from me and my family, if that's the outcome I've had a net gain from the whole experience.

    Likewise - plenty of room on the train and a seat on the tube with a gap between each person.

    I think this home/office working mix is here to stay for many. They have changed our employment contracts to this effect so we are in/out 40%-60% of the time for the foreseeable future (at least when the WFH advice lapses). Like you say, it's a good thing.
    Not sure TfL has a viable business model if that is the case. Nor any of the commuter rail operators.
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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Deaths now climbing quite sharply (albiet from a lowish base), double from what they were last week.

    Is this not a steadier climb disguised by under reporting last week and over reporting this week?

    Yes, the reported numbers today are catching up on under reporting from previous days.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Deaths now climbing quite sharply (albiet from a lowish base), double from what they were last week.

    Is this not a steadier climb disguised by under reporting last week and over reporting this week?
    It does feel like at the rate this is going, the numbers are only going to give valid comparisons some time in mid January...

    Do wonder whether Scotland and Wales are going to be feeling slightly silly soon. Although I appreciate that the current situation in the English NHS is pretty far from ideal.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    20% full today here. Definitely quiet on the train.

    2-3 days in the office is so ideal for me - I get the boost from being in but miss out on the fatigue of the (lengthy) commute.

    Long term ,if that remains the norm, that is a huge win for me. Massive. Has made me feel much happier both about my job and about my own personal life.

    For all the grief of corona, just from my own personal perspective, ignoring the cost to anyone apart from me and my family, if that's the outcome I've had a net gain from the whole experience.

    Likewise - plenty of room on the train and a seat on the tube with a gap between each person.

    I think this home/office working mix is here to stay for many. They have changed our employment contracts to this effect so we are in/out 40%-60% of the time for the foreseeable future (at least when the WFH advice lapses). Like you say, it's a good thing.
    That seems quite a reversal from their previous position
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Jezyboy said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Deaths now climbing quite sharply (albiet from a lowish base), double from what they were last week.

    Is this not a steadier climb disguised by under reporting last week and over reporting this week?
    It does feel like at the rate this is going, the numbers are only going to give valid comparisons some time in mid January...

    Do wonder whether Scotland and Wales are going to be feeling slightly silly soon. Although I appreciate that the current situation in the English NHS is pretty far from ideal.
    Scotland is pushing towards capacity a bit faster than you'd expect. NHS is devolved. Hard to say if it's not run as well, or a well resourced, if it reflects overall poor population health, or a bit of both.

  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Jezyboy said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Deaths now climbing quite sharply (albiet from a lowish base), double from what they were last week.

    Is this not a steadier climb disguised by under reporting last week and over reporting this week?
    It does feel like at the rate this is going, the numbers are only going to give valid comparisons some time in mid January...

    Do wonder whether Scotland and Wales are going to be feeling slightly silly soon. Although I appreciate that the current situation in the English NHS is pretty far from ideal.
    There certainly doesn't seem to be any health benefits from the more stringent approach here. That said, it was always hard to see how banning people attending outdoor sporting events whilst allowing them to sit inside a pub watching on TV instead was ever going to work.

    Drakefords's more cautious approach to previous waves had generally felt sensible albeit slightly undermined by more lax rules across the border, this time around it just felt like doing something to look like taking decisive action.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    The covid passport in England is the same idea, surely. "Doing something " without actually doing anything.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    kingstongraham said:

    The covid passport in England is the same idea, surely. "Doing something " without actually doing anything.

    I'm yet to show mine.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    They are not being checked super regularly over here either...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    tailwindhome said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    20% full today here. Definitely quiet on the train.

    2-3 days in the office is so ideal for me - I get the boost from being in but miss out on the fatigue of the (lengthy) commute.

    Long term ,if that remains the norm, that is a huge win for me. Massive. Has made me feel much happier both about my job and about my own personal life.

    For all the grief of corona, just from my own personal perspective, ignoring the cost to anyone apart from me and my family, if that's the outcome I've had a net gain from the whole experience.

    Likewise - plenty of room on the train and a seat on the tube with a gap between each person.

    I think this home/office working mix is here to stay for many. They have changed our employment contracts to this effect so we are in/out 40%-60% of the time for the foreseeable future (at least when the WFH advice lapses). Like you say, it's a good thing.
    That seems quite a reversal from their previous position
    Not really. They were following govt guidelines until HR came up with a plan.
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  • wallace_and_gromit
    wallace_and_gromit Posts: 3,616
    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Deaths now climbing quite sharply (albiet from a lowish base), double from what they were last week.

    Is this not a steadier climb disguised by under reporting last week and over reporting this week?
    By a quirk of Bank Holiday timing, we have a catch up on under-reporting today following a 3 day weekend, and also one from last Thursday, catching up from the under reporting following a 4 day weekend. So there are two catch up days in the current 7 day rolling average.

    The underlying trend of deaths by date of death looks largely unchanged.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    kingstongraham said:

    The covid passport in England is the same idea, surely. "Doing something " without actually doing anything.

    If they hadn't gone for the LFT cop out they'd be worthwhile.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Pross said:

    kingstongraham said:

    The covid passport in England is the same idea, surely. "Doing something " without actually doing anything.

    If they hadn't gone for the LFT cop out they'd be worthwhile.
    Or if they'd alternatively insisted on lft for everyone it might have had an effect on the infection rate.

    Either way would be justifiable.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Stevo_666 said:

    tailwindhome said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    20% full today here. Definitely quiet on the train.

    2-3 days in the office is so ideal for me - I get the boost from being in but miss out on the fatigue of the (lengthy) commute.

    Long term ,if that remains the norm, that is a huge win for me. Massive. Has made me feel much happier both about my job and about my own personal life.

    For all the grief of corona, just from my own personal perspective, ignoring the cost to anyone apart from me and my family, if that's the outcome I've had a net gain from the whole experience.

    Likewise - plenty of room on the train and a seat on the tube with a gap between each person.

    I think this home/office working mix is here to stay for many. They have changed our employment contracts to this effect so we are in/out 40%-60% of the time for the foreseeable future (at least when the WFH advice lapses). Like you say, it's a good thing.
    That seems quite a reversal from their previous position
    Not really. They were following govt guidelines until HR came up with a plan.
    Ok
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Scenes...

    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Pross said:

    Jezyboy said:

    First.Aspect said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Deaths now climbing quite sharply (albiet from a lowish base), double from what they were last week.

    Is this not a steadier climb disguised by under reporting last week and over reporting this week?
    It does feel like at the rate this is going, the numbers are only going to give valid comparisons some time in mid January...

    Do wonder whether Scotland and Wales are going to be feeling slightly silly soon. Although I appreciate that the current situation in the English NHS is pretty far from ideal.
    There certainly doesn't seem to be any health benefits from the more stringent approach here. That said, it was always hard to see how banning people attending outdoor sporting events whilst allowing them to sit inside a pub watching on TV instead was ever going to work.

    Drakefords's more cautious approach to previous waves had generally felt sensible albeit slightly undermined by more lax rules across the border, this time around it just felt like doing something to look like taking decisive action.
    The WRU are looking to move to England for the duration of the 6 Nations.
    Last year they lost 13.5 million and don’t fancy losing closer to 20 million as Wales have the extra home match this time around.
    Naturally the Welsh government hadn’t thought this might happen and are rather perturbed at the prospect.

    Well what did they expect?
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  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    joe2019 said:

    Sir Keir Starmer tests positive for Covid for a second time.

    Maybe a few to many parties are being had in his gaff.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    ddraver said:

    Scenes...


    Good. I hate seeing famous people managing to swerve visa requirements etc. With the backlash he’s faced in Australia since it was announced he had an exemption I’m not surprised this has happened.
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Indeed...

    Would have been slightly better if they hadn't let him fly all the way there first, but right decision in the end
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,559
    ddraver said:

    Indeed...

    Would have been slightly better if they hadn't let him fly all the way there first, but right decision in the end

    Makes even more of a point doing it this way though!

    @blazing_saddles - any word on where Wales would look to play?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Now Djokovic has an injunction. The Aussies really need to stick to their guns. Just a shame the England cricket team got vaccinated!
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Have we done the Macron saying the quiet bit out loud; that he wants to “p!ss off the unvaccinated”??

    I’d love Starmer to do the same. Massive vote winner, backs BoJo in a corner.
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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Starmer would never put his head above the parapet. Seems to think his job is purely to critique decisions the govnt makes rather than do that plus say what he’d do instead.

    The choice of language Macron used hasn’t gone down too well in France, they tend to not like those in high office talking in that way.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    rick_chasey said:

    Have we done the Macron saying the quiet bit out loud; that he wants to “p!ss off the unvaccinated”??

    I’d love Starmer to do the same. Massive vote winner, backs BoJo in a corner.

    I think that would be a vote loser.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Lol no.
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  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    Would it be a vote winner ?

    Boris will just say it's not the way we do things in the UK we'd rather encourage people to get vaccinated but we have introduced restrictions where they were needed.

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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited January 2022
    It's an unprovable theory, so I'm not gonna die on it, but I am of the view that the "noisy minority" trope is absolutely in force when it comes to anti-vaxxers.

    Vast majority of people are vaxxed - pretty much everyone wants no restrictions, pretty much everyone can link unvaxxed people dying so much we might have to have restrictions again.

    It's not rocket science. We're all laughing at djokovic.
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