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  • joe2019
    joe2019 Posts: 1,338
    Sir Keir Starmer tests positive for Covid for a second time.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    edited January 2022
    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    If they have a particular health issue, or care for someone who does, they could have a cause of action against your firm - if that come out.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    China still seems to be aiming for zero covid.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    If that is a trend then surely it would be a worrying one for you Rick?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    TheBigBean said:

    China still seems to be aiming for zero covid.

    Seems to be jolly helpful that it also involves imposing oppressive control over the population.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited January 2022
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    If that is a trend then surely it would be a worrying one for you Rick?
    Given he told me that face-to-face in his office I think it's unlikely.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    If that is a trend then surely it would be a worrying one for you Rick?
    Given he told me that face-to-face in his office I think it's unlikely.
    Let's just say you have come across as being highly risk averse on this thread.

    However; the candidate wouldn't meet his potential future employer indoors but was happy to meet you indoors? Was that because he thought you were also excessively risk averse like him, or was he not thinking this through?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    If that is a trend then surely it would be a worrying one for you Rick?
    Given he told me that face-to-face in his office I think it's unlikely.
    Let's just say you have come across as being highly risk averse on this thread.

    However; the candidate wouldn't meet his potential future employer indoors but was happy to meet you indoors? Was that because he thought you were also excessively risk averse like him, or was he not thinking this through?
    No the client, not the candidate.
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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Asymptomatic folks testing positive on LFTs no longer need to also get a PCR test done.

    “Under the new guidance, anyone in England who receives a positive lateral flow device (LFD) test result should report their result on gov.uk and must self-isolate immediately, but will not need to take a follow-up PCR test.
    After reporting a positive LFD test result, they will be contacted by NHS Test and Trace so that their contacts can be traced.
    Anyone who tests positive will be able to leave self-isolation seven days after the date of their initial positive test if they receive two negative lateral flow test results, 24 hours apart, on days six and seven.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59878823
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Cases will drop right off, is my bet. No one will bother reporting LFTs.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    I'm finding that the current 'work from home where possible' dictat is being largely ignored. I was the only one on a video call earlier (5 people) working from home and the offices I could see in the background (this is all by choice as everyone was told they should work from home unless there were reasons that make that difficult for them). People seem to be generally drifting back to being in an office for at least most of the week in my experience which will probably make those who, when I was interviewing last year, were pushing for 100% home-based working struggle to get a role.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Client is foreign tbf and not based in UK.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    I'm finding that the current 'work from home where possible' dictat is being largely ignored. I was the only one on a video call earlier (5 people) working from home and the offices I could see in the background (this is all by choice as everyone was told they should work from home unless there were reasons that make that difficult for them). People seem to be generally drifting back to being in an office for at least most of the week in my experience which will probably make those who, when I was interviewing last year, were pushing for 100% home-based working struggle to get a role.
    Bit different here: I'm in the office today to get a few things sorted and for a change of scenery. There are 6 people in the office (which can take over 200) not including the cleaning lady and receptionist.

    Not sure why many people would opt for 100% homeworking (in normal times at least) unless they are naturally anti-social. Most people I talk to find a mix of home and office is the preferred way.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • monkimark
    monkimark Posts: 1,928
    Certainly, the traffic levels heading into London are much higher than they were in the weeks leading up to Xmas. Not at pre-pandemic levels yet but heading that way.
    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    I'm finding that the current 'work from home where possible' dictat is being largely ignored. I was the only one on a video call earlier (5 people) working from home and the offices I could see in the background (this is all by choice as everyone was told they should work from home unless there were reasons that make that difficult for them). People seem to be generally drifting back to being in an office for at least most of the week in my experience which will probably make those who, when I was interviewing last year, were pushing for 100% home-based working struggle to get a role.
  • wallace_and_gromit
    wallace_and_gromit Posts: 3,616
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    I'm finding that the current 'work from home where possible' dictat is being largely ignored. I was the only one on a video call earlier (5 people) working from home and the offices I could see in the background (this is all by choice as everyone was told they should work from home unless there were reasons that make that difficult for them). People seem to be generally drifting back to being in an office for at least most of the week in my experience which will probably make those who, when I was interviewing last year, were pushing for 100% home-based working struggle to get a role.
    Bit different here: I'm in the office today to get a few things sorted and for a change of scenery. There are 6 people in the office (which can take over 200) not including the cleaning lady and receptionist.

    Not sure why many people would opt for 100% homeworking (in normal times at least) unless they are naturally anti-social. Most people I talk to find a mix of home and office is the preferred way.
    We had 1 out of circa 30 in the office today.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited January 2022
    20% full today here. Definitely quiet on the train.

    2-3 days in the office is so ideal for me - I get the boost from being in but miss out on the fatigue of the (lengthy) commute.

    Long term ,if that remains the norm, that is a huge win for me. Massive. Has made me feel much happier both about my job and about my own personal life.

    For all the grief of corona, just from my own personal perspective, ignoring the cost to anyone apart from me and my family, if that's the outcome I've had a net gain from the whole experience.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    wallace_and_gromit said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    I'm finding that the current 'work from home where possible' dictat is being largely ignored. I was the only one on a video call earlier (5 people) working from home and the offices I could see in the background (this is all by choice as everyone was told they should work from home unless there were reasons that make that difficult for them). People seem to be generally drifting back to being in an office for at least most of the week in my experience which will probably make those who, when I was interviewing last year, were pushing for 100% home-based working struggle to get a role.
    Bit different here: I'm in the office today to get a few things sorted and for a change of scenery. There are 6 people in the office (which can take over 200) not including the cleaning lady and receptionist.

    Not sure why many people would opt for 100% homeworking (in normal times at least) unless they are naturally anti-social. Most people I talk to find a mix of home and office is the preferred way.
    We had 1 out of circa 30 in the office today.
    Similar ratio to here, it's like we're back in summer 2020. No chance of catching Covid at work for me, the nearest person is a good 10m away.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    rick_chasey said:

    20% full today here. Definitely quiet on the train.

    2-3 days in the office is so ideal for me - I get the boost from being in but miss out on the fatigue of the (lengthy) commute.

    Long term ,if that remains the norm, that is a huge win for me. Massive. Has made me feel much happier both about my job and about my own personal life.

    For all the grief of corona, just from my own personal perspective, ignoring the cost to anyone apart from me and my family, if that's the outcome I've had a net gain from the whole experience.

    Likewise - plenty of room on the train and a seat on the tube with a gap between each person.

    I think this home/office working mix is here to stay for many. They have changed our employment contracts to this effect so we are in/out 40%-60% of the time for the foreseeable future (at least when the WFH advice lapses). Like you say, it's a good thing.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    I'm finding that the current 'work from home where possible' dictat is being largely ignored. I was the only one on a video call earlier (5 people) working from home and the offices I could see in the background (this is all by choice as everyone was told they should work from home unless there were reasons that make that difficult for them). People seem to be generally drifting back to being in an office for at least most of the week in my experience which will probably make those who, when I was interviewing last year, were pushing for 100% home-based working struggle to get a role.
    Bit different here: I'm in the office today to get a few things sorted and for a change of scenery. There are 6 people in the office (which can take over 200) not including the cleaning lady and receptionist.

    Not sure why many people would opt for 100% homeworking (in normal times at least) unless they are naturally anti-social. Most people I talk to find a mix of home and office is the preferred way.
    Well, yes, that's my reason (plus saving on travel costs as I'm anti-social and tight!).
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Maybe it is dependent on the type of work (or we have a high percentage of people who love the office). I would say 75% of our workforce were back in the office full-time or at least 4 days a week prior to Christmas.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Our company's business plan is to go part home working and save on office space.

    Perfect for me.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    I'm certainly seeing an "I'm alright jack" attitude among senior staff who know what they are doing and loving that they don't have junior staff pestering them.

  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    I'm finding that the current 'work from home where possible' dictat is being largely ignored. I was the only one on a video call earlier (5 people) working from home and the offices I could see in the background (this is all by choice as everyone was told they should work from home unless there were reasons that make that difficult for them). People seem to be generally drifting back to being in an office for at least most of the week in my experience which will probably make those who, when I was interviewing last year, were pushing for 100% home-based working struggle to get a role.
    Bit different here: I'm in the office today to get a few things sorted and for a change of scenery. There are 6 people in the office (which can take over 200) not including the cleaning lady and receptionist.

    Not sure why many people would opt for 100% homeworking (in normal times at least) unless they are naturally anti-social. Most people I talk to find a mix of home and office is the preferred way.
    Well, yes, that's my reason (plus saving on travel costs as I'm anti-social and tight!).
    + saving travel time so more leisure time.
    Quite a few I know near retirement have decided that return to office will be the decider.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Jezyboy said:

    I'm certainly seeing an "I'm alright jack" attitude among senior staff who know what they are doing and loving that they don't have junior staff pestering them.

    A lot of our attorneys are on six figure salaries, with a few of the senior ones over half way to a seventh. I suspect that they have lost sight a little bit that a secretary or paralegal on 20-30k probably doesn't have a home office. Will be interesting to see how they handle requests for 100% office working in the longer term as office leases start to come up for renewal.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,227
    Daughter failed the test today. Bugrit. Not been round at hers since last Wednesday, so 7 days since. She prob picked it up New Year's Eve pub with pals. Just as well she bailed on the weekend ride we had planned.
  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605
    First.Aspect said:

    Jezyboy said:

    I'm certainly seeing an "I'm alright jack" attitude among senior staff who know what they are doing and loving that they don't have junior staff pestering them.

    A lot of our attorneys are on six figure salaries, with a few of the senior ones over half way to a seventh. I suspect that they have lost sight a little bit that a secretary or paralegal on 20-30k probably doesn't have a home office. Will be interesting to see how they handle requests for 100% office working in the longer term as office leases start to come up for renewal.
    Why did I ignore patent attorney when it came up on my careers test at school 😂😂
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Sorry to hear that Oraloon.

    Here's an article from some lab guy who is putting forward a theory on what is actually causing the damage in the illness.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/05/long-covid-research-microclots
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,398
    edited January 2022
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Pross said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Quite interesting, just had a candidate binned off because he was 'too risk averse' - wouldn't meet the firm in question inside, or in restaurants etc, took the car to the interview (in the City) - "is he too risk averse for this sales role?"

    I'm finding that the current 'work from home where possible' dictat is being largely ignored. I was the only one on a video call earlier (5 people) working from home and the offices I could see in the background (this is all by choice as everyone was told they should work from home unless there were reasons that make that difficult for them). People seem to be generally drifting back to being in an office for at least most of the week in my experience which will probably make those who, when I was interviewing last year, were pushing for 100% home-based working struggle to get a role.
    Bit different here: I'm in the office today to get a few things sorted and for a change of scenery. There are 6 people in the office (which can take over 200) not including the cleaning lady and receptionist.

    Not sure why many people would opt for 100% homeworking (in normal times at least) unless they are naturally anti-social. Most people I talk to find a mix of home and office is the preferred way.
    Well, yes, that's my reason (plus saving on travel costs as I'm anti-social and tight!).
    Fair enough - you wouldn't be the only one. Mind you, my heating bill has been a bit steep these last few weeks as I end up heating a separate 'studio' (converted garage) rather than just sitting in the house when I'm WFH. On the upside, it's only a 30 second commute and keeps me from getting random jobs dished out in my direction during the day :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    Jezyboy said:

    First.Aspect said:

    Jezyboy said:

    I'm certainly seeing an "I'm alright jack" attitude among senior staff who know what they are doing and loving that they don't have junior staff pestering them.

    A lot of our attorneys are on six figure salaries, with a few of the senior ones over half way to a seventh. I suspect that they have lost sight a little bit that a secretary or paralegal on 20-30k probably doesn't have a home office. Will be interesting to see how they handle requests for 100% office working in the longer term as office leases start to come up for renewal.
    Why did I ignore patent attorney when it came up on my careers test at school 😂😂
    Wasn't even in the careers book we had at school. Neither was careers adviser, oddly enough.

    For reasons not to, how about, "because you need a degree, probably a PhD and then at least 5 years of on the job training and about 7-14 exams depending on the route you take, that you study for on your own time, all of which spits you out somewhere between the age of 30 and 40 at the bottom rung of the patent attorney ladder"?

    The bottom rung is okay, don't get me wrong, but you need to be very patient while your peers progress in middle management in the meantime.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Deaths now climbing quite sharply (albiet from a lowish base), double from what they were last week.
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