The big Coronavirus thread

womack

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

rick_chasey

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

If you want "silly" just try living up here. We even have our own Covid app, with a wee Saltire on it.

Wheelspinner

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Flu shots here aren’t free for everyone here for example.

Who has to pay for flu shots, out of interest? Here, they’re free to those deemed vulnerable (age-, illness- or medication-related).

Anyone else can have one, but supplies are not prioritised and there’s a cost (about a tenner).

Same here roughly. Free for anyone over 65, under 5, pregnant, or with chronic medical conditions as determined by your doctor. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders also get it free, irrespective of any other qualifiers that apply to the rest of us.

Everyone else pays. Cost is about 15 - 20 bucks I think. Lots of corporates provide it free for staff - in their interest I guess.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

Separate countries, innit.
You may disagree with the rational, but that's the answer.

Ben6899

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Flu shots here aren’t free for everyone here for example.

Who has to pay for flu shots, out of interest? Here, they’re free to those deemed vulnerable (age-, illness- or medication-related).

Anyone else can have one, but supplies are not prioritised and there’s a cost (about a tenner).

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders also get it free…

Is this for medical reasons?

First.Aspect

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Flu shots here aren’t free for everyone here for example.

Who has to pay for flu shots, out of interest? Here, they’re free to those deemed vulnerable (age-, illness- or medication-related).

Anyone else can have one, but supplies are not prioritised and there’s a cost (about a tenner).

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders also get it free…

Is this for medical reasons?

It'll be more of a 'we turfed you off your land and racially discriminated against you for 200 years, so here's a sweetie' thing won't it?

rick_chasey

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

Separate countries, innit.
You may disagree with the rational, but that's the answer.

Makes no sense to me. It’s the UK. Separatists haven’t won yet, presumably, so why the charade? (This entire paragraph is rhetorical before you get all reply-guy on me)

Is it a separate Welsh health system?

Wheelspinner

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Flu shots here aren’t free for everyone here for example.

Who has to pay for flu shots, out of interest? Here, they’re free to those deemed vulnerable (age-, illness- or medication-related).

Anyone else can have one, but supplies are not prioritised and there’s a cost (about a tenner).

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders also get it free…

Is this for medical reasons?

TBH, I don’t know specifically for this whether there are health reasons, but I’d guess not. There are a range of things which the indigenous people are more prone to (glaucoma, diabetes etc ) but flu?

They do get very generous and special services not provided to anyone else. A while back, I had cause to try and ring the Medicare phone line to follow up a claim. For days on end, the number simply did not answer, and even at 11pm I was on hold for more than hour and gave up.

Out of curiosity, I rang the dedicated line provided for Aboriginal/Torres Strait people. They answered within 3 minutes, and the first question was to ask was I Indigenous?

“No”

“Sorry, we are unable to provide any assistance to you then.”

I asked if the regular line (if it ever answered) would likewise ask what my racial heritage was, and if they would decline to provide assistance to any indigenous people?

Wanna guess the response?

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

Separate countries, innit.
You may disagree with the rational, but that's the answer.

Makes no sense to me. It’s the UK. Separatists haven’t won yet, presumably, so why the charade? (This entire paragraph is rhetorical before you get all reply-guy on me)

Is it a separate Welsh health system?

Okay, devolution to separate countries, innit. Devolution happened some time ago.
Short answer, yes. http://www.wales.nhs.uk

rick_chasey

Parallel health systems? What a waste 🙄🙄

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

Separate countries, innit.
You may disagree with the rational, but that's the answer.

Makes no sense to me. It’s the UK. Separatists haven’t won yet, presumably, so why the charade? (This entire paragraph is rhetorical before you get all reply-guy on me)

Is it a separate Welsh health system?

You realise devolution happened about 20 years ago? You may as well huff about Canadian provinces having separate health systems.

First.Aspect

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Flu shots here aren’t free for everyone here for example.

Who has to pay for flu shots, out of interest? Here, they’re free to those deemed vulnerable (age-, illness- or medication-related).

Anyone else can have one, but supplies are not prioritised and there’s a cost (about a tenner).

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders also get it free…

Is this for medical reasons?

TBH, I don’t know specifically for this whether there are health reasons, but I’d guess not. There are a range of things which the indigenous people are more prone to (glaucoma, diabetes etc ) but flu?

They do get very generous and special services not provided to anyone else. A while back, I had cause to try and ring the Medicare phone line to follow up a claim. For days on end, the number simply did not answer, and even at 11pm I was on hold for more than hour and gave up.

Out of curiosity, I rang the dedicated line provided for Aboriginal/Torres Strait people. They answered within 3 minutes, and the first question was to ask was I Indigenous?

“No”

“Sorry, we are unable to provide any assistance to you then.”

I asked if the regular line (if it ever answered) would likewise ask what my racial heritage was, and if they would decline to provide assistance to any indigenous people?

Wanna guess the response?

You do appreciate the historical context though, right? If it's anything like Canada, generations of discrimination has created huge inequalities. Just as for any other poverty, this is self perpetuating. Just like any other poverty, there will poorer health outcomes and lower educational levels.

So, I'm going to guess that it you are born into one of these communities, you will get assistance with both to try to break the cycle.

Is that correct?

rick_chasey

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

Separate countries, innit.
You may disagree with the rational, but that's the answer.

Makes no sense to me. It’s the UK. Separatists haven’t won yet, presumably, so why the charade? (This entire paragraph is rhetorical before you get all reply-guy on me)

Is it a separate Welsh health system?

You realise devolution happened about 20 years ago? You may as well huff about Canadian provinces having separate health systems.

Separatism is for morons. Stand by it.

Nationalist healthcare sucks whatever the brand.

rjsterry

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

Separate countries, innit.
You may disagree with the rational, but that's the answer.

Makes no sense to me. It’s the UK. Separatists haven’t won yet, presumably, so why the charade? (This entire paragraph is rhetorical before you get all reply-guy on me)

Is it a separate Welsh health system?

You realise devolution happened about 20 years ago? You may as well huff about Canadian provinces having separate health systems.

Separatism is for morons. Stand by it.

Understanding the difference between devolution and separatism would be a good start. England and Wales are not the same place.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Flu shots here aren’t free for everyone here for example.

Who has to pay for flu shots, out of interest? Here, they’re free to those deemed vulnerable (age-, illness- or medication-related).

Anyone else can have one, but supplies are not prioritised and there’s a cost (about a tenner).

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders also get it free…

Is this for medical reasons?

TBH, I don’t know specifically for this whether there are health reasons, but I’d guess not. There are a range of things which the indigenous people are more prone to (glaucoma, diabetes etc ) but flu?

They do get very generous and special services not provided to anyone else. A while back, I had cause to try and ring the Medicare phone line to follow up a claim. For days on end, the number simply did not answer, and even at 11pm I was on hold for more than hour and gave up.

Out of curiosity, I rang the dedicated line provided for Aboriginal/Torres Strait people. They answered within 3 minutes, and the first question was to ask was I Indigenous?

“No”

“Sorry, we are unable to provide any assistance to you then.”

I asked if the regular line (if it ever answered) would likewise ask what my racial heritage was, and if they would decline to provide assistance to any indigenous people?

Wanna guess the response?

You do appreciate the historical context though, right? If it's anything like Canada, generations of discrimination has created huge inequalities. Just as for any other poverty, this is self perpetuating. Just like any other poverty, there will poorer health outcomes and lower educational levels.

So, I'm going to guess that it you are born into one of these communities, you will get assistance with both to try to break the cycle.

Is that correct?

A quick Google suggests that aboriginal populations are at greater risk from influenza, presumably on account of only having had 200 years exposure.

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

Separate countries, innit.
You may disagree with the rational, but that's the answer.

Makes no sense to me. It’s the UK. Separatists haven’t won yet, presumably, so why the charade? (This entire paragraph is rhetorical before you get all reply-guy on me)

Is it a separate Welsh health system?

You realise devolution happened about 20 years ago? You may as well huff about Canadian provinces having separate health systems.

Separatism is for morons. Stand by it.

This is simplistic though isn't it.

You live 30 miles from the capital. Some cabinet ministers may even have been there. Try living 300 miles away and then refine your views on devolved powers.

I don't agree with the independence agenda, nor am I stupid enough to think that someone with a local accent is somehow better at decision making. However, if you live somewhere with a different climate, economy, geography and demographic, there really is something to be said for the increased resolution in decision making that devolved powers provide.

I mean, do you really think a farming policy for the fens works well for the Highlands? What about a health policy for the home counties applied to the health needs in the east end of Glasgow?

Pross

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

Separate countries, innit.
You may disagree with the rational, but that's the answer.

Makes no sense to me. It’s the UK. Separatists haven’t won yet, presumably, so why the charade? (This entire paragraph is rhetorical before you get all reply-guy on me)

Is it a separate Welsh health system?

Health is devolved in Wales. You can argue either way which Government manages things better but truth is it will be six of one and half a dozen of the other. Prescriptions are free in Wales, you may get some operations sooner and others may take longer, there's been an issue with ambulance services to the extent the army has been called in to assist.

Making things more regional makes sense in many situations as what works in London doesn't necessarily work elsewhere.

Ben6899

First.Aspect said:

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Flu shots here aren’t free for everyone here for example.

Who has to pay for flu shots, out of interest? Here, they’re free to those deemed vulnerable (age-, illness- or medication-related).

Anyone else can have one, but supplies are not prioritised and there’s a cost (about a tenner).

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders also get it free…

Is this for medical reasons?

TBH, I don’t know specifically for this whether there are health reasons, but I’d guess not. There are a range of things which the indigenous people are more prone to (glaucoma, diabetes etc ) but flu?

They do get very generous and special services not provided to anyone else. A while back, I had cause to try and ring the Medicare phone line to follow up a claim. For days on end, the number simply did not answer, and even at 11pm I was on hold for more than hour and gave up.

Out of curiosity, I rang the dedicated line provided for Aboriginal/Torres Strait people. They answered within 3 minutes, and the first question was to ask was I Indigenous?

“No”

“Sorry, we are unable to provide any assistance to you then.”

I asked if the regular line (if it ever answered) would likewise ask what my racial heritage was, and if they would decline to provide assistance to any indigenous people?

Wanna guess the response?

You do appreciate the historical context though, right? If it's anything like Canada, generations of discrimination has created huge inequalities. Just as for any other poverty, this is self perpetuating. Just like any other poverty, there will poorer health outcomes and lower educational levels.

So, I'm going to guess that it you are born into one of these communities, you will get assistance with both to try to break the cycle.

Is that correct?

Gets to a point where it takes the p1ss a bit, doesn’t it?

Pross

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

Separate countries, innit.
You may disagree with the rational, but that's the answer.

Makes no sense to me. It’s the UK. Separatists haven’t won yet, presumably, so why the charade? (This entire paragraph is rhetorical before you get all reply-guy on me)

Is it a separate Welsh health system?

You realise devolution happened about 20 years ago? You may as well huff about Canadian provinces having separate health systems.

Separatism is for morons. Stand by it.

Nationalist healthcare sucks whatever the brand.

It's not separatism, it's localism. It makes it easier for the politicians to make decisions that work better for their electorate and for their electorate to punish them if they get it wrong.

It's no t much different to central Government giving funding to Councils who then decide local policy on things like education. Would you rather it was all dictated by a central (more often than not Tory) government based in London?

womack

I suppose if we step back in time who would have foreseen separate countries such as Czech Republic / Slovakia and the Balkan countries.

Who would have thought that the countries taken over by the USSR would one day be independent nations.

I think a lot of people hang on to this UK thing as the majority of the UK were on the side of the oppressor rather than the oppressed.

We are only the UK because of past acts of aggression so not much different to the USSR or former Jugoslavia.

First.Aspect

Ben6899 said:

First.Aspect said:

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Flu shots here aren’t free for everyone here for example.

Who has to pay for flu shots, out of interest? Here, they’re free to those deemed vulnerable (age-, illness- or medication-related).

Anyone else can have one, but supplies are not prioritised and there’s a cost (about a tenner).

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders also get it free…

Is this for medical reasons?

TBH, I don’t know specifically for this whether there are health reasons, but I’d guess not. There are a range of things which the indigenous people are more prone to (glaucoma, diabetes etc ) but flu?

They do get very generous and special services not provided to anyone else. A while back, I had cause to try and ring the Medicare phone line to follow up a claim. For days on end, the number simply did not answer, and even at 11pm I was on hold for more than hour and gave up.

Out of curiosity, I rang the dedicated line provided for Aboriginal/Torres Strait people. They answered within 3 minutes, and the first question was to ask was I Indigenous?

“No”

“Sorry, we are unable to provide any assistance to you then.”

I asked if the regular line (if it ever answered) would likewise ask what my racial heritage was, and if they would decline to provide assistance to any indigenous people?

Wanna guess the response?

You do appreciate the historical context though, right? If it's anything like Canada, generations of discrimination has created huge inequalities. Just as for any other poverty, this is self perpetuating. Just like any other poverty, there will poorer health outcomes and lower educational levels.

So, I'm going to guess that it you are born into one of these communities, you will get assistance with both to try to break the cycle.

Is that correct?

Gets to a point where it takes the p1ss a bit, doesn’t it?

Not there yet though I don't think. The jury is out on whether the positive discrimination policies in Canada achieve very much, but given what happened to their society not so very long ago, and the effective ghettoisation that was imposed in many places, it seems churlish to me not to continue for a long while yet. And I'm guessing things would be even worse otherwise.

I don't know much about the situation in Australia, but I sense there are parallels.

First.Aspect

womack said:

I suppose if we step back in time who would have foreseen separate countries such as Czech Republic / Slovakia and the Balkan countries.

Who would have thought that the countries taken over by the USSR would one day be independent nations.

I think a lot of people hang on to this UK thing as the majority of the UK were on the side of the oppressor rather than the oppressed.

We are only the UK because of past acts of aggression so not much different to the USSR or former Jugoslavia.

Yugoslavia.

At least up here the sane and numerate among us hang on to the UK because it will be an economic catastrophe to try to create another country. It really is that simple.

womack

First.Aspect said:

womack said:

I suppose if we step back in time who would have foreseen separate countries such as Czech Republic / Slovakia and the Balkan countries.

Who would have thought that the countries taken over by the USSR would one day be independent nations.

I think a lot of people hang on to this UK thing as the majority of the UK were on the side of the oppressor rather than the oppressed.

We are only the UK because of past acts of aggression so not much different to the USSR or former Jugoslavia.

Yugoslavia.

At least up here the sane and numerate among us hang on to the UK because it will be an economic catastrophe to try to create another country. It really is that simple.

Yugoslavia was the English spelling, the natives spelt it with a J.

Wheelspinner

First.Aspect said:

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Ben6899 said:

Wheelspinner said:

Flu shots here aren’t free for everyone here for example.

Who has to pay for flu shots, out of interest? Here, they’re free to those deemed vulnerable (age-, illness- or medication-related).

Anyone else can have one, but supplies are not prioritised and there’s a cost (about a tenner).

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders also get it free…

Is this for medical reasons?

TBH, I don’t know specifically for this whether there are health reasons, but I’d guess not. There are a range of things which the indigenous people are more prone to (glaucoma, diabetes etc ) but flu?

They do get very generous and special services not provided to anyone else. A while back, I had cause to try and ring the Medicare phone line to follow up a claim. For days on end, the number simply did not answer, and even at 11pm I was on hold for more than hour and gave up.

Out of curiosity, I rang the dedicated line provided for Aboriginal/Torres Strait people. They answered within 3 minutes, and the first question was to ask was I Indigenous?

“No”

“Sorry, we are unable to provide any assistance to you then.”

I asked if the regular line (if it ever answered) would likewise ask what my racial heritage was, and if they would decline to provide assistance to any indigenous people?

Wanna guess the response?

You do appreciate the historical context though, right? If it's anything like Canada, generations of discrimination has created huge inequalities. Just as for any other poverty, this is self perpetuating. Just like any other poverty, there will poorer health outcomes and lower educational levels.

So, I'm going to guess that it you are born into one of these communities, you will get assistance with both to try to break the cycle.

Is that correct?

To an extent, yes. I’ve no issue with there being different/additional health conditions being covered for them. My inquiry however was not to claim access to any of those defined additional services. It was simply to ask for assistance with an admin issue. That help line provides precisely that assistance to the indigenous, but excluded me based solely on race. Their only response was essentially that they would not do *anything* to help me, because of that.

Seems fair.

Stevo_666

briantrumpet said:

kingstongraham said:

briantrumpet said:

I've no idea at this point the rationale behind banning travellers from places with lower infection rates, other than it's an easy target, and to be seen to be 'doing something' that doesn't involve making hard decisions about one's own citizens.

Seven European nations have barred Turkish passengers from entering their countries as the Omicron variant spreads, according to travel guidance by Turkey’s Civil Aviation Authority (SHGM).

Daily Covid cases in Turkey have reached their highest level since April this week, surging to nearly 37,000, but the number is still significantly below figures reported in parts of Europe.

The SHGM’s Covid-19 travel guidance, last updated on 28 December, said the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Luxembourg, Croatia, Iceland and Switzerland would no longer accept Turkish passengers. It said Turkish passengers would need to show proof of vaccination when entering Portugal or Sweden.

Was that from The Guardian page? If so...

Earlier I posted an entry about seven European countries barring Turkish travellers. Reuters said that story was based on a travel guidance table from Turkey’s Civil Aviation Authority (SHGM) which has been updated to remove references to such bans. The story has now been withdrawn by Reuters and has been removed here too. You may have to refresh the page.

Ah, OK, thanks. Serves me right for trusting a news source.

Sounds like its affected you more than I thought. I will be more sensitive next time I question your choice of sources Brian

First.Aspect

womack said:

First.Aspect said:

womack said:

I suppose if we step back in time who would have foreseen separate countries such as Czech Republic / Slovakia and the Balkan countries.

Who would have thought that the countries taken over by the USSR would one day be independent nations.

I think a lot of people hang on to this UK thing as the majority of the UK were on the side of the oppressor rather than the oppressed.

We are only the UK because of past acts of aggression so not much different to the USSR or former Jugoslavia.

Yugoslavia.

At least up here the sane and numerate among us hang on to the UK because it will be an economic catastrophe to try to create another country. It really is that simple.

Yugoslavia was the English spelling, the natives spelt it with a J.

The "natives" would have used a different alphabet.

kingstonian

rick_chasey said:

rjsterry said:

rick_chasey said:

pblakeney said:

rick_chasey said:

womack said:

mully79 said:

Had my booster this morning. Thankfully took my English NHS vaccination cards. I assumed the English and Welsh NHS would share information but i'm not sure they do now.

Apparently Wales has had to lend 10 million LTF kits to England.

I have to say, the whole separatist thing is really silly.

Are we saying that the Welsh run an entirely separate health system to England? And if so, why?

Separate countries, innit.
You may disagree with the rational, but that's the answer.

Makes no sense to me. It’s the UK. Separatists haven’t won yet, presumably, so why the charade? (This entire paragraph is rhetorical before you get all reply-guy on me)

Is it a separate Welsh health system?

You realise devolution happened about 20 years ago? You may as well huff about Canadian provinces having separate health systems.

Separatism is for morons.

Such a narrow-minded comment.

tailwindhome

Awful lot of hospitality businesses closing temporarily due to covid related staffing shortages

We've a difficult January coming across all sectors.

TheBigBean

tailwindhome said:

Awful lot of hospitality businesses closing temporarily due to covid related staffing shortages

We've a difficult January coming across all sectors.

How was your 2021?