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  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    So SA are confident they are through their peak.

    How far ahead of us were they?
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349

    So SA are confident they are through their peak.

    How far ahead of us were they?


    Looks like about a fortnight


  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    Awful lot of hospitality businesses closing temporarily due to covid related staffing shortages

    We've a difficult January coming across all sectors.

    Quite ironic considering how much the industry has been pushing back against restrictions and not being forced to close. In some cases they may have been better off having to close and getting financial support.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167

    So SA are confident they are through their peak.

    How far ahead of us were they?


    Looks like about a fortnight


    That's what I recalled. So, second half of Jan might feel more optimistic.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    1 in 15 had Covid in London in the w/e 23rd Dec according to ONS.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited December 2021

    So SA are confident they are through their peak.

    How far ahead of us were they?


    Looks like about a fortnight


    That's what I recalled. So, second half of Jan might feel more optimistic.
    You’d expect even lower hospitalisation rates in the UK given vaccination and booster status
  • So SA are confident they are through their peak.

    How far ahead of us were they?


    Looks like about a fortnight


    That's what I recalled. So, second half of Jan might feel more optimistic.
    You’d expect even lower hospitalisation rates in the UK given vaccination and booster status
    Offset by the average age of the population.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Fair
  • If people in essential services go off sick, would the Government have the required staff to cope though. Another consideration.

    Will the NHS and other services be able to cope?
  • womack
    womack Posts: 566
    edited December 2021

    womack said:

    womack said:

    I suppose if we step back in time who would have foreseen separate countries such as Czech Republic / Slovakia and the Balkan countries.

    Who would have thought that the countries taken over by the USSR would one day be independent nations.

    I think a lot of people hang on to this UK thing as the majority of the UK were on the side of the oppressor rather than the oppressed.

    We are only the UK because of past acts of aggression so not much different to the USSR or former Jugoslavia.

    Yugoslavia.

    At least up here the sane and numerate among us hang on to the UK because it will be an economic catastrophe to try to create another country. It really is that simple.

    Yugoslavia was the English spelling, the natives spelt it with a J.

    The "natives" would have used a different alphabet.


    Be it the Cyrillic or any other alphabet they spelt and pronounced it with a J.

    But hey as someone who has been to the former Jugoslavia and subsequently it's former constituent countries over 40 times and who is married to a Serb who am I to argue with a know it all on Bike Radar.
  • Would have ended ija when not transliterated to English though.
  • First.Aspect
    First.Aspect Posts: 17,167
    womack said:

    womack said:

    womack said:

    I suppose if we step back in time who would have foreseen separate countries such as Czech Republic / Slovakia and the Balkan countries.

    Who would have thought that the countries taken over by the USSR would one day be independent nations.

    I think a lot of people hang on to this UK thing as the majority of the UK were on the side of the oppressor rather than the oppressed.

    We are only the UK because of past acts of aggression so not much different to the USSR or former Jugoslavia.

    Yugoslavia.

    At least up here the sane and numerate among us hang on to the UK because it will be an economic catastrophe to try to create another country. It really is that simple.

    Yugoslavia was the English spelling, the natives spelt it with a J.

    The "natives" would have used a different alphabet.


    Be it the Cyrillic or any other alphabet they spelt and pronounced it with a J.

    But hey as someone who has been to the former Jugoslavia and subsequently it's former constituent countries over 40 times and who is married to a Serb who am I to argue with a know it all on Bike Radar.
    did you travel through Deutschland to get there? Ever visit Spain, or do you go to Espana on a cycling holiday?

    I think the arbitrary selection of English or local spellings of place names has come up here before. As has a belligerent attitude towards some arbitrary selection or other.

    Honestly.

  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 21,915
    It's a bit easier than that. Anywhere that had a different name ages ago, still does. Anywhere that has changed its name recently (especially post colonialism) has the new name.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,559
    edited December 2021
    Hang on, what is he saying?
    In P1 he says 24,632 were off on 26/12.
    In P2 he says 68,000 are off sick.
    Which is it?
    And the NHS has c.1,400,000 staff in total.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    🤷🏻‍♂️I thought it was interesting, I only scanned it.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,559

    🤷🏻‍♂️I thought it was interesting, I only scanned it.

    But he makes no sense.
    It comes across as typical twatter crap.
    Who is he anyway?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    You can look it up yourself by clicking on his twitter handle - he’s the health correspondent for the FT
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited December 2021
    Anyway read it properly if you want to understand it.

    COVID related and overall - that’ll account for your difference.
  • Hang on, what is he saying?
    In P1 he says 24,632 were off on 26/12.
    In P2 he says 68,000 are off sick.
    Which is it?
    And the NHS has c.1,400,000 staff in total.
    He says 24k off with covid, and 68k off total.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,559

    Hang on, what is he saying?
    In P1 he says 24,632 were off on 26/12.
    In P2 he says 68,000 are off sick.
    Which is it?
    And the NHS has c.1,400,000 staff in total.
    He says 24k off with covid, and 68k off total.
    He might mean that, but that's not what his twat actually says.
    And Rick, I have zero interest in jumping on tw@tter. It would be really good / helpful, for the non tw@tterati, if you said who some of these people are occassionally.
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,151
    edited December 2021

    Hang on, what is he saying?
    In P1 he says 24,632 were off on 26/12.
    In P2 he says 68,000 are off sick.
    Which is it?
    And the NHS has c.1,400,000 staff in total.
    He says 24k off with covid, and 68k off total.
    He might mean that, but that's not what his censored actually says.
    And Rick, I have zero interest in jumping on tw@tter. It would be really good / helpful, for the non tw@tterati, if you said who some of these people are occassionally.
    Health & science reporter
    @FT

    📩 oliver.barnes@ft.com

    How long would it have taken you to have a quick look!?

  • Hang on, what is he saying?
    In P1 he says 24,632 were off on 26/12.
    In P2 he says 68,000 are off sick.
    Which is it?
    And the NHS has c.1,400,000 staff in total.
    He says 24k off with covid, and 68k off total.
    He might mean that, but that's not what his censored actually says.
    And Rick, I have zero interest in jumping on tw@tter. It would be really good / helpful, for the non tw@tterati, if you said who some of these people are occassionally.
    It's exactly what he says. Maybe read it again.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    The advantage of the better parts of Twitter on here is that it's not paywalled, and it's directly linked, so it's really not hard to have a quick shufti to make one's own assessment of its value.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    Hang on, what is he saying?
    In P1 he says 24,632 were off on 26/12.
    In P2 he says 68,000 are off sick.
    Which is it?
    And the NHS has c.1,400,000 staff in total.
    He says 24k off with covid, and 68k off total.
    He might mean that, but that's not what his censored actually says.
    And Rick, I have zero interest in jumping on tw@tter. It would be really good / helpful, for the non tw@tterati, if you said who some of these people are occassionally.
    Seems pretty clear to me and 68k is roughly 5% of your 1.4 million is it not?

    My personal scepticism is how many of those isolating or ill with Covid genuinely are and how many fancied Christmas off? I assume you have to have some form of proof to get paid but I'm a bit cynical by nature.
  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Pross said:

    Hang on, what is he saying?
    In P1 he says 24,632 were off on 26/12.
    In P2 he says 68,000 are off sick.
    Which is it?
    And the NHS has c.1,400,000 staff in total.
    He says 24k off with covid, and 68k off total.
    He might mean that, but that's not what his censored actually says.
    And Rick, I have zero interest in jumping on tw@tter. It would be really good / helpful, for the non tw@tterati, if you said who some of these people are occassionally.
    Seems pretty clear to me and 68k is roughly 5% of your 1.4 million is it not?

    My personal scepticism is how many of those isolating or ill with Covid genuinely are and how many fancied Christmas off? I assume you have to have some form of proof to get paid but I'm a bit cynical by nature.

    44K Being off work for non-Covid related reasons is roughly 3% of the total workforce. Seems quite a high rate of sickness, or at least it would be viewed as pretty high in all the companies I’ve worked for.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463

    Pross said:

    Hang on, what is he saying?
    In P1 he says 24,632 were off on 26/12.
    In P2 he says 68,000 are off sick.
    Which is it?
    And the NHS has c.1,400,000 staff in total.
    He says 24k off with covid, and 68k off total.
    He might mean that, but that's not what his censored actually says.
    And Rick, I have zero interest in jumping on tw@tter. It would be really good / helpful, for the non tw@tterati, if you said who some of these people are occassionally.
    Seems pretty clear to me and 68k is roughly 5% of your 1.4 million is it not?

    My personal scepticism is how many of those isolating or ill with Covid genuinely are and how many fancied Christmas off? I assume you have to have some form of proof to get paid but I'm a bit cynical by nature.

    44K Being off work for non-Covid related reasons is roughly 3% of the total workforce. Seems quite a high rate of sickness, or at least it would be viewed as pretty high in all the companies I’ve worked for.
    Annual average between 2010 and 2018 was about 2%. I'd like to see a split of that between public and private sectors.
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,648
    Coincidence that this is while you do not need a Doctors note until you've been off for 4 weeks?
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  • Jezyboy
    Jezyboy Posts: 3,605

    Pross said:

    Hang on, what is he saying?
    In P1 he says 24,632 were off on 26/12.
    In P2 he says 68,000 are off sick.
    Which is it?
    And the NHS has c.1,400,000 staff in total.
    He says 24k off with covid, and 68k off total.
    He might mean that, but that's not what his censored actually says.
    And Rick, I have zero interest in jumping on tw@tter. It would be really good / helpful, for the non tw@tterati, if you said who some of these people are occassionally.
    Seems pretty clear to me and 68k is roughly 5% of your 1.4 million is it not?

    My personal scepticism is how many of those isolating or ill with Covid genuinely are and how many fancied Christmas off? I assume you have to have some form of proof to get paid but I'm a bit cynical by nature.

    44K Being off work for non-Covid related reasons is roughly 3% of the total workforce. Seems quite a high rate of sickness, or at least it would be viewed as pretty high in all the companies I’ve worked for.
    In contact with lots of sick people = higher rate of sickness?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Not really a job where you can come in if you have a cold