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I wonder why no-one talks about the entente cordiale these days...johngti said:
Do you think the current government here has any interest in a better relationship? My impression is that they’re more than happy to have a rubbish one because it’s a handy “enemy” for their more extreme supporters.Stevo_666 said:The UK could have a better relationship with France if it was not for Macron being the president - IMO. Hopefully the French electorate will send him packing next year.
Quite amusing reading the replies to this Spectator piece:
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I'm sure we do occasionally do stuff to be seen to be dishing it out to France. However Macron goes out of his way to make himself an enemy, picks fights with us that we would probably rather do without and which probably would not happen if there was someone different in charge.johngti said:
Do you think the current government here has any interest in a better relationship? My impression is that they’re more than happy to have a rubbish one because it’s a handy “enemy” for their more extreme supporters.Stevo_666 said:The UK could have a better relationship with France if it was not for Macron being the president - IMO. Hopefully the French electorate will send him packing next year.
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Which bit do you disagree with? Or is this just a late entry for troll of the month?kingstongraham said:
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I don't disagree, I don't pay so much attention to what Macron says or does. I just find it amusing to hear that from someone who supports Boris.Stevo_666 said:
Which bit do you disagree with? Or is this just a late entry for troll of the month?kingstongraham said:0 -
I assume its the apparent lack of self awareness.0
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So if there is anything left for Omicron to cause problems, it's probably this:
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Good, so you don't disagree.kingstongraham said:
I don't disagree, I don't pay so much attention to what Macron says or does. I just find it amusing to hear that from someone who supports Boris.Stevo_666 said:
Which bit do you disagree with? Or is this just a late entry for troll of the month?kingstongraham said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Preventing access to France is one thing, preventing transit is an entirely different carry on. It could technically stop someone getting to their home.
Bit of a c***’s trick, tbh.Ben
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Ben6899 said:
Preventing access to France is one thing, preventing transit is an entirely different carry on. It could technically stop someone getting to their home.
Bit of a c***’s trick, tbh.
Still not clear... according to the Graun:According to the French travel guidance, “nationals of the European Union or equivalent”, as well as their partners and children, “who have their main residence in France or who join, in transit through France, their main residence in a country of the European Union” are considered to have a compelling reason for travelling from the UK through France.
According to French officials, British citizens who have a residence in another EU country, such as Belgium, Germany, Spain or Italy, will be required to show proof of their residence, such as a residency permit, tax forms or utility bills.
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Maybe there is a way you can become a French citizen before their election.Stevo_666 said:
Good, so you don't disagree.kingstongraham said:
I don't disagree, I don't pay so much attention to what Macron says or does. I just find it amusing to hear that from someone who supports Boris.Stevo_666 said:
Which bit do you disagree with? Or is this just a late entry for troll of the month?kingstongraham said:0 -
The problem is that Frances position is so extreme that it is laughable. Threats of blocking trade routes to secure some fishing licenses for boats that can't be proven to have fished UK waters even when the UK pay for the data to help them out. This is just the latest in their trivia nonsense. France needs the UK as a bogey man to deflect from french issues more than the reverse. Essentially they have a lot of their population that has all the same EU issues in the electorate that the UK had. The only way to keep the project going is to make leaving look bad. My hunch is that in five years time this won't have worked.Jezyboy said:0 -
Which country do you live in?Jezyboy said:"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
What are you doing posting about Covid on the geopolitical/Brexit thread? Please stay on topic.kingstongraham said:So if there is anything left for Omicron to cause problems, it's probably this:
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That plot above tells me "not yet".
Mid January? Couple of weeks post all of the excessive social mixing?
I'm irked that duration of hospital stays is not being analysed more. Makes it more difficult to figure out where this is heading. I guess this is Brian's issue with reporting only hospital admissions data, rather than admissions and discharge data.0 -
First.Aspect said:
That plot above tells me "not yet".
Mid January? Couple of weeks post all of the excessive social mixing?
I'm irked that duration of hospital stays is not being analysed more. Makes it more difficult to figure out where this is heading. I guess this is Brian's issue with reporting only hospital admissions data, rather than admissions and discharge data.
Indeed. Dr JC was saying that 'most people' are now only in for 2-3 days with omicron, but it would be good to see more reliable data on that. It still has the impression that media are cherry-picking the scariest data for clicks (nothing new there, I realise), despite the differences with omicron getting more noteworthy by the day.0 -
It must (obviously) be impossible to evaluate this number early in the wave, and also difficult to split out those who are being treated for covid from those who have covid and are being treated. The mechanical ventilation figures are up but still not rocketing, which is a good sign so far.First.Aspect said:That plot above tells me "not yet".
Mid January? Couple of weeks post all of the excessive social mixing?
I'm irked that duration of hospital stays is not being analysed more. Makes it more difficult to figure out where this is heading. I guess this is Brian's issue with reporting only hospital admissions data, rather than admissions and discharge data.0 -
I beleive that the next few days are highlighted as a pinch point, with a combo of staff off isolating and sick people who put off trying to be admitted over Christmas.rick_chasey said:So at what date can we say definitely this wave is manageable or not?
It's fingers crossed that the impact intergenerational socialising will rear its head after most of the younger doctors are back at work after isolation.
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If ya speak Dutch his timeline is wall-to-wall misinformation on corona and even being very nonchalant about catching it.0 -
I've no idea at this point the rationale behind banning travellers from places with lower infection rates, other than it's an easy target, and to be seen to be 'doing something' that doesn't involve making hard decisions about one's own citizens.Seven European nations have barred Turkish passengers from entering their countries as the Omicron variant spreads, according to travel guidance by Turkey’s Civil Aviation Authority (SHGM).
Daily Covid cases in Turkey have reached their highest level since April this week, surging to nearly 37,000, but the number is still significantly below figures reported in parts of Europe.
The SHGM’s Covid-19 travel guidance, last updated on 28 December, said the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Luxembourg, Croatia, Iceland and Switzerland would no longer accept Turkish passengers. It said Turkish passengers would need to show proof of vaccination when entering Portugal or Sweden.1 -
Anyone know what his last words were..??rick_chasey said:
If ya speak Dutch his timeline is wall-to-wall misinformation on corona and even being very nonchalant about catching it.0 -
Was that from The Guardian page? If so...briantrumpet said:I've no idea at this point the rationale behind banning travellers from places with lower infection rates, other than it's an easy target, and to be seen to be 'doing something' that doesn't involve making hard decisions about one's own citizens.
Seven European nations have barred Turkish passengers from entering their countries as the Omicron variant spreads, according to travel guidance by Turkey’s Civil Aviation Authority (SHGM).
Daily Covid cases in Turkey have reached their highest level since April this week, surging to nearly 37,000, but the number is still significantly below figures reported in parts of Europe.
The SHGM’s Covid-19 travel guidance, last updated on 28 December, said the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Luxembourg, Croatia, Iceland and Switzerland would no longer accept Turkish passengers. It said Turkish passengers would need to show proof of vaccination when entering Portugal or Sweden.Earlier I posted an entry about seven European countries barring Turkish travellers. Reuters said that story was based on a travel guidance table from Turkey’s Civil Aviation Authority (SHGM) which has been updated to remove references to such bans. The story has now been withdrawn by Reuters and has been removed here too. You may have to refresh the page.0 -
Just seen Southern are running no trains to Victoria (for non-Londoners, one of 3 major termini serving Surrey, Sussex and Kent as well as the southern half of Greater London) until 10th January as they have so many train crew off sick. Would imagine the other rail operators have similar issues and it's just a matter of time before they cancel large parts of their service.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Ah, OK, thanks. Serves me right for trusting a news source.kingstongraham said:
Was that from The Guardian page? If so...briantrumpet said:I've no idea at this point the rationale behind banning travellers from places with lower infection rates, other than it's an easy target, and to be seen to be 'doing something' that doesn't involve making hard decisions about one's own citizens.
Seven European nations have barred Turkish passengers from entering their countries as the Omicron variant spreads, according to travel guidance by Turkey’s Civil Aviation Authority (SHGM).
Daily Covid cases in Turkey have reached their highest level since April this week, surging to nearly 37,000, but the number is still significantly below figures reported in parts of Europe.
The SHGM’s Covid-19 travel guidance, last updated on 28 December, said the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Luxembourg, Croatia, Iceland and Switzerland would no longer accept Turkish passengers. It said Turkish passengers would need to show proof of vaccination when entering Portugal or Sweden.Earlier I posted an entry about seven European countries barring Turkish travellers. Reuters said that story was based on a travel guidance table from Turkey’s Civil Aviation Authority (SHGM) which has been updated to remove references to such bans. The story has now been withdrawn by Reuters and has been removed here too. You may have to refresh the page.0 -
As suspected...
https://www.thelocal.fr/20211230/breaking-france-suspends-transit-ban-for-brits-living-in-eu/
Sounds like a eurotunnel lawyer read the small print no one in france had thought to read...
Crisis over.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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ddraver said:
As suspected...
https://www.thelocal.fr/20211230/breaking-france-suspends-transit-ban-for-brits-living-in-eu/
Sounds like a eurotunnel lawyer read the small print no one in france had thought to read...
Crisis over.
I see that Germany has announced it'll lift the strict travel ban from early January, so it'll be interesting to see how long it takes France to follow suit, despite Macron's posturing.All countries currently listed in the “virus variant” category, including the UK and several southern African nations, will be reclassified as “high risk” from 4 January, said government health agency, the Robert Koch Institute.
The change eases a ban on entry for travellers who are not German residents or citizens, instead allowing anyone to enter as long as they observe quarantine and testing rules.
Germany introduced its “virus variant” travel category in a bid to stop new variants that have not yet spread widely on its territory.
Only citizens and residents of Germany are permitted to enter from a “virus variant” country and are subject to a two-week quarantine, regardless of whether they are fully vaccinated or can provide a negative Covid test.
By contrast, anyone can enter from a high-risk country as long as they provide a negative test on arrival.
Travellers from high-risk areas are exempt from quarantine if they have been fully vaccinated.0
