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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    edited December 2021
    blazing_saddles said:

    rjsterry said:

    I wonder what the effect the shortage of tests has had on our figures today.

    The opposite.

    183,000

    Rising (and thus "record-breaking") figures are almost no news now - it's going to happen, no matter what. As long as hospitals can cope, that's now all that matters in the short term (and if SA is anything to go by, the spike will be over in a few weeks).
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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    The govnt stats website mentions that one slight anomaly in the number of cases reported is that it includes 5 days worth of cases for Northern Ireland.
  • wallace_and_gromit
    wallace_and_gromit Posts: 3,616
    edited December 2021
    Wes Streeting laying into Boris re lack of testing capacity today, with particular emphasis on Boris advising folk to be doing LFTs when none are available.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    edited December 2021
    rick_chasey said:

    That'll bring their stats down. Macron is like a better groomed version of Johnson in his lack of competency.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Macron being an awkward pratt again. It's not news
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  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,559
    Presumably with the Netherlands in lockdown, the only route to the continent in a vehicle is now via Belguim?
    Macron really is acting like a total w@nker.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,104
    wallace_and_gromit said:

    Wes Streeting laying into Boris re lack of testing capacity today, with particular emphasis on Boris advising folk to be doing LFTs when none are available.

    I mean I just got a pack of 7 in the post this morning - we've had 4 packs in the last 3weeks - that's between 5 people 3 of whom have had Covid so we aren't stockpiling them.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Dorset_Boy said:

    Presumably with the Netherlands in lockdown, the only route to the continent in a vehicle is now via Belguim?
    Macron really is acting like a total w@nker.

    He acts like one because he is one.
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  • kingstonian
    kingstonian Posts: 2,847
    Really bizarre decision by Macron, especially when he’s having to announce >200k cases a day. These cases clearly aren’t being imported. A small portion of the French electorate will like him dishing it out to the Brits, but the majority will see through it as a poor diversionary tactic.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    edited December 2021
    Absolute shocker - I happen to know (professionally) a lot of his backers and campaigners as they all come from the French asset management industry and they will be spitting feathers about this.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    The UK could have a better relationship with France if it was not for Macron being the president - IMO. Hopefully the French electorate will send him packing next year.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    kingstonian said:

    Really bizarre decision by Macron, especially when he’s having to announce >200k cases a day. These cases clearly aren’t being imported. A small portion of the French electorate will like him dishing it out to the Brits, but the majority will see through it as a poor diversionary tactic.


    It is bizarre, other than as shïtty politics. I can't see any public health gain. Maybe I'm wrong about the February half term, and he is prepared to hang his own ski industry out to dry.

    At some point he'll have to do a reverse ferret, but he's made that harder now.
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  • blazing_saddles
    blazing_saddles Posts: 22,725
    Would this be considered self-isolation if Belgium, Switzerland, Italy and Spain closed their borders to the lepers of Western Europe? :D
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,405
    Strangely for France there is a distinct lack of collaboration with other countries.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    rick_chasey said:

    Absolute shocker - I happen to know (professionally) a lot of his backers and campaigners as they all come from the French asset management industry and they will be spitting feathers about this.

    With respect, Why?

    It's a dumb idea for sure, and I'm yet to meet a french person here to whom it plays to, but they're just applying the same rules to us as all Schengen border states. And it's going to effect very few people. Usually these things get pred over in the local facebook groups but this one has been greeted with a lot of meh
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    ddraver said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Absolute shocker - I happen to know (professionally) a lot of his backers and campaigners as they all come from the French asset management industry and they will be spitting feathers about this.

    With respect, Why?

    It's a dumb idea for sure, and I'm yet to meet a french person here to whom it plays to, but they're just applying the same rules to us as all Schengen border states. And it's going to effect very few people. Usually these things get pred over in the local facebook groups but this one has been greeted with a lot of meh

    Ah, if all non-Schengen countries, it's still pointless, but obviously less inflammatory diplomatically. That's not obvious from the Eurotunnel tweet.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    All non-EU I think...

    So we're in the same boat as the Turks, Serbs, Ukrainians etc.

    Obvs Eurotunnel wouldn't be so bothered about them tho.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    ddraver said:

    All non-EU I think...

    So we're in the same boat as the Turks, Serbs, Ukrainians etc.

    Obvs Eurotunnel wouldn't be so bothered about them tho.


    That does make more sense. I'd looked at The Telegraph to check on the outrage at Macron's singling out of the UK, and it wasn't there, so had wondered if there was more to it than first thought. Still pointless, mind.
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  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    ddraver said:

    All non-EU I think...

    So we're in the same boat as the Turks, Serbs, Ukrainians etc.

    Obvs Eurotunnel wouldn't be so bothered about them tho.

    I wondered if it was the same thing that people were discussing in the Brexit thread yesterday but it was labelled up as a Covid update so assumed this was a Covid specific restriction?
  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    edited December 2021
    I'm at the end of my twitter based knowledge to be honest lads... 😋

    I can tell you that it hasn't seemed to do much to distract from the case numbers at any rate.

    Edit - however, it seems like Eurotunnel may have struck on an issue that actually no one in the Elysee has thought about - which is actually what's causing the issue - seems like you can still "go home" as before, but not for a week in your holiday cottage. Basically a mess...

    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,436
    Gotta love the French
    Never not at it
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,697
    Zee Germans zeem to be zinging vrom ze same hymn sheet now...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    First.Aspect said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    briantrumpet said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Anyway it is beginning to look like my doom scenario is not playing out and with the change in behaviours the Uk might come through this fine without further restrictions 🤞🏻🤞🏻


    Let's indeed hope so. It is looking more likely by the day.

    I'm still wondering when the screaming headlines about the number of infections does a pivot to "This is actually good news", if the connection between cases and deaths really is all but broken.
    I mentioned not too far upthread that it will become endemic, but probably will become mild enough that we treat it like another flu variant.
    May or may not. The serious symptoms are all well after the person has become infectious, so no evolutionary advantage in not causing these symptoms.
    But by chance the evolutionary advantage of Omicron (transmissibility) comes about because it is better able to infect the upper airway, and need not be as optimized at entering other types of cell. This seems to correlate with slightly reduced mortality.

    But the main reduction in harm is coming from immunity. It evades antibodies, so can infect and be transmitted, but not the T cell and other responses, which means it isn't as harmful. This is a win-win, potentially.

    If this version had hit in early 2020, case mortality rates would have been 90% as high, but matched with an R0 much much higher than 3. What's the estimate now? R0 = 7? That would have been pretty awful.
    Nicely summarised. And yes, it would have been (even more) horrific.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    DeVlaeminck said:

    wallace_and_gromit said:

    Wes Streeting laying into Boris re lack of testing capacity today, with particular emphasis on Boris advising folk to be doing LFTs when none are available.

    I mean I just got a pack of 7 in the post this morning - we've had 4 packs in the last 3weeks - that's between 5 people 3 of whom have had Covid so we aren't stockpiling them.
    Local pharmacy was out this morning. Not surprisingly as our local case rate is currently 2500-odd per 100 000.
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    rick_chasey said:


    This is bonkers.
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  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965
    It will be interesting to see where Macron is coming up with the pennies to save the tunnel from bankruptcy. Not sure the UK will be so keen to step in.
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    edited December 2021
    john80 said:

    It will be interesting to see where Macron is coming up with the pennies to save the tunnel from bankruptcy. Not sure the UK will be so keen to step in.


    Well the operations are owned by a French company (consortium? I’m not sure) Getlink Group. Not sure how powerful that entity is, politically…
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,349
    If the latest UK data here on deaths is accurate, it continues to be very good news. I suspect it's down to a number of factors... I wonder if we'll ever know exactly why though.


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  • johngti
    johngti Posts: 2,508
    Stevo_666 said:

    The UK could have a better relationship with France if it was not for Macron being the president - IMO. Hopefully the French electorate will send him packing next year.

    Do you think the current government here has any interest in a better relationship? My impression is that they’re more than happy to have a rubbish one because it’s a handy “enemy” for their more extreme supporters.

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