The big Coronavirus thread
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The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.rick_chasey said:
Why might it bother them, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.rick_chasey said:
What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
He's already been accused of lying about it:focuszing723 said:Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.
I wouldn't want to make the call.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/
And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.
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Jonathan Ashworth was useless on the news yesterday. Wouldn't commit to a policy by Labour on this. Just say one way or the other. Fair play to Andy Burnham he came out and said he supported no restrictions at this time.
If you want to be a shadow government inform us what you would be doing differently.0 -
Stevo's our resident BoJo defender (though has been quite on that topic for the last couple of months), so I am curious why *who is doing the lying* matters to him.imposter2.0 said:
The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.rick_chasey said:
Why might it bother them, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.rick_chasey said:
What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
He's already been accused of lying about it:focuszing723 said:Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.
I wouldn't want to make the call.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/
And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.0 -
You don't think when the numbers go up, England will follow next week?imposter2.0 said:
The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.rick_chasey said:
Why might it bother them, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.rick_chasey said:
What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
He's already been accused of lying about it:focuszing723 said:Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.
I wouldn't want to make the call.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/
And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.0 -
I wonder how English stats would be looking now had Whitty not been at that press conference last week to issue his 'prioritise what's important to you' advice
Or what Boris's actual strategy would have been were it not for his back benchers, none if whom knew how it would turn out....
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Its to do with what Drakeford said & why - and how people in Wales might take that. Try sticking to the point.rick_chasey said:
Stevo's our resident BoJo defender (though has been quite on that topic for the last couple of months), so I am curious why *who is doing the lying* matters to him.imposter2.0 said:
The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.rick_chasey said:
Why might it bother them, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.rick_chasey said:
What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
He's already been accused of lying about it:focuszing723 said:Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.
I wouldn't want to make the call.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/
And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
That's what it looks like.imposter2.0 said:
The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.rick_chasey said:
Why might it bother them, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.rick_chasey said:
What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
He's already been accused of lying about it:focuszing723 said:Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.
I wouldn't want to make the call.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/
And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
which numbers?kingstongraham said:
You don't think when the numbers go up, England will follow next week?imposter2.0 said:
The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.rick_chasey said:
Why might it bother them, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.rick_chasey said:
What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
He's already been accused of lying about it:focuszing723 said:Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.
I wouldn't want to make the call.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/
And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.-1 -
Cases, hospital admissions, deaths.imposter2.0 said:
which numbers?kingstongraham said:
You don't think when the numbers go up, England will follow next week?imposter2.0 said:
The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.rick_chasey said:
Why might it bother them, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.rick_chasey said:
What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
He's already been accused of lying about it:focuszing723 said:Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.
I wouldn't want to make the call.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/
And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.0 -
If you hunt around the Internet long enough I'm sure you can find a source for anything.focuszing723 said:Common side effects
Like all medicines, the COVID-19 vaccines can cause side effects, but not everyone gets them.
Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week, such as:
a sore arm from the injection
feeling tired
a headache
feeling achy
feeling or being sick
You may also get a high temperature or feel hot or shivery 1 or 2 days after your vaccination. You can take painkillers such as paracetamol if you need to. If your symptoms get worse or you're worried, call 111.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/safety-and-side-effects/
It does annoy me when there are mixed messages from credible sources.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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The context are credible sources though, it wasn't the local astrologist.rjsterry said:
If you hunt around the Internet long enough I'm sure you can find a source for anything.focuszing723 said:Common side effects
Like all medicines, the COVID-19 vaccines can cause side effects, but not everyone gets them.
Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week, such as:
a sore arm from the injection
feeling tired
a headache
feeling achy
feeling or being sick
You may also get a high temperature or feel hot or shivery 1 or 2 days after your vaccination. You can take painkillers such as paracetamol if you need to. If your symptoms get worse or you're worried, call 111.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/safety-and-side-effects/
It does annoy me when there are mixed messages from credible sources.1 -
I think that's been well demonstrated in Cake Stop over a long period of time.rjsterry said:
If you hunt around the Internet long enough I'm sure you can find a source for anything.focuszing723 said:Common side effects
Like all medicines, the COVID-19 vaccines can cause side effects, but not everyone gets them.
Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week, such as:
a sore arm from the injection
feeling tired
a headache
feeling achy
feeling or being sick
You may also get a high temperature or feel hot or shivery 1 or 2 days after your vaccination. You can take painkillers such as paracetamol if you need to. If your symptoms get worse or you're worried, call 111.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/safety-and-side-effects/
It does annoy me when there are mixed messages from credible sources."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Closing nightclubs once its spread among the yoof seems particularly silly. More so leaving them open in the week running up to everyone meeting up with Grandparents.kingstongraham said:
I think even with lower virulence, restrictions can be justifiable because of the huge numbers, and spreading out the time that health workers catch it and have to isolate, and to give time for the boosters to do their thing.blazing_saddles said:
BBC breakfast asked his sidekick Vaughan Gething what the reasoning was. Aside from mentioning the model used, he justified tougher restrictions being introduced yesterday, because of increased cases numbers………….yesterday.Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Welsh might be bothered.rick_chasey said:
What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
He's already been accused of lying about it:focuszing723 said:Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.
I wouldn't want to make the call.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/
And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.
Now that’s what I call a rapid response.
I see that now studies seem to be confirming Omicron is less potent than Delta, Sturgeon is also coming in for criticism.
Restrictions once it's already spread and the boosters are working are less justifiable though. And restrictions that allow people to be in the same room with people they don't regularly spend time with, less so again.
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And nhs workers offkingstongraham said:
Cases, hospital admissions, deaths.imposter2.0 said:
which numbers?kingstongraham said:
You don't think when the numbers go up, England will follow next week?imposter2.0 said:
The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.rick_chasey said:
Why might it bother them, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.rick_chasey said:
What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
He's already been accused of lying about it:focuszing723 said:Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.
I wouldn't want to make the call.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/
And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.0 -
If you click through to the original article it clearly states that the effects of NSAIDs on the efficacy of Covid vaccines has not been studied. So it's just a guess.focuszing723 said:
The context are credible sources though, it wasn't the local astrologist.rjsterry said:
If you hunt around the Internet long enough I'm sure you can find a source for anything.focuszing723 said:Common side effects
Like all medicines, the COVID-19 vaccines can cause side effects, but not everyone gets them.
Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week, such as:
a sore arm from the injection
feeling tired
a headache
feeling achy
feeling or being sick
You may also get a high temperature or feel hot or shivery 1 or 2 days after your vaccination. You can take painkillers such as paracetamol if you need to. If your symptoms get worse or you're worried, call 111.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/safety-and-side-effects/
It does annoy me when there are mixed messages from credible sources.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition1 -
I just checked. Cases are up (obviously), but admissions are flat, as are ICU bed numbers. Deaths are falling. All based on 1xmonth data. When are you expecting the numbers to go up?kingstongraham said:
Cases, hospital admissions, deaths.imposter2.0 said:
which numbers?kingstongraham said:
You don't think when the numbers go up, England will follow next week?imposter2.0 said:
The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.rick_chasey said:
Why might it bother them, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.rick_chasey said:
What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
He's already been accused of lying about it:focuszing723 said:Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.
I wouldn't want to make the call.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/
And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.0 -
rjsterry said:
If you click through to the original article it clearly states that the effects of NSAIDs on the efficacy of Covid vaccines has not been studied. So it's just a guess.focuszing723 said:
The context are credible sources though, it wasn't the local astrologist.rjsterry said:
If you hunt around the Internet long enough I'm sure you can find a source for anything.focuszing723 said:Common side effects
Like all medicines, the COVID-19 vaccines can cause side effects, but not everyone gets them.
Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week, such as:
a sore arm from the injection
feeling tired
a headache
feeling achy
feeling or being sick
You may also get a high temperature or feel hot or shivery 1 or 2 days after your vaccination. You can take painkillers such as paracetamol if you need to. If your symptoms get worse or you're worried, call 111.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/safety-and-side-effects/
It does annoy me when there are mixed messages from credible sources.
Paracetamol isn’t an NSAID. Is it?
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At the usual offsets, with a lower percentage correlation than before vaccines and boosters.imposter2.0 said:
I just checked. Cases are up (obviously), but admissions are flat, as are ICU bed numbers. Deaths are falling. All based on 1xmonth data. When are you expecting the numbers to go up?kingstongraham said:
Cases, hospital admissions, deaths.imposter2.0 said:
which numbers?kingstongraham said:
You don't think when the numbers go up, England will follow next week?imposter2.0 said:
The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.rick_chasey said:
Why might it bother them, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.rick_chasey said:
What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?Stevo_666 said:
He's already been accused of lying about it:focuszing723 said:Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.
I wouldn't want to make the call.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/
And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.
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Since the emergence of omicron, Boris has always urged caution in socialising to the people of Airstrip One.tailwindhome said:I wonder how English stats would be looking now had Whitty not been at that press conference last week to issue his 'prioritise what's important to you' advice
Or what Boris's actual strategy would have been were it not for his back benchers, none if whom knew how it would turn out....0 -
Thanks for the correction. I think it was more vague even than that: and simply stated 'painkillers'.Ben6899 said:rjsterry said:
If you click through to the original article it clearly states that the effects of NSAIDs on the efficacy of Covid vaccines has not been studied. So it's just a guess.focuszing723 said:
The context are credible sources though, it wasn't the local astrologist.rjsterry said:
If you hunt around the Internet long enough I'm sure you can find a source for anything.focuszing723 said:Common side effects
Like all medicines, the COVID-19 vaccines can cause side effects, but not everyone gets them.
Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week, such as:
a sore arm from the injection
feeling tired
a headache
feeling achy
feeling or being sick
You may also get a high temperature or feel hot or shivery 1 or 2 days after your vaccination. You can take painkillers such as paracetamol if you need to. If your symptoms get worse or you're worried, call 111.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/safety-and-side-effects/
It does annoy me when there are mixed messages from credible sources.
Paracetamol isn’t an NSAID. Is it?
Not that I really want to get into this!
Pre-emptive paracetamol is a bit silly, though.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Part of the anti-growth coalition1 -
A rise wouldn't surprise me, but based on everything I've seen to date (SA data, DrJC analyses, and now the two studies from the UK), I don't see why it should rise to beyond manageable levels.kingstongraham said:Are you not?
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🤨Stevo_666 said:
I think that's been well demonstrated in Cake Stop over a long period of time.rjsterry said:
If you hunt around the Internet long enough I'm sure you can find a source for anything.focuszing723 said:Common side effects
Like all medicines, the COVID-19 vaccines can cause side effects, but not everyone gets them.
Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week, such as:
a sore arm from the injection
feeling tired
a headache
feeling achy
feeling or being sick
You may also get a high temperature or feel hot or shivery 1 or 2 days after your vaccination. You can take painkillers such as paracetamol if you need to. If your symptoms get worse or you're worried, call 111.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/safety-and-side-effects/
It does annoy me when there are mixed messages from credible sources.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition0 -
We'll get to find out. I think the reduced number of staff will make it pretty tough.imposter2.0 said:
A rise wouldn't surprise me, but based on everything I've seen to date (SA data, DrJC analyses, and now the two studies from the UK), I don't see why it should rise to beyond manageable levels.kingstongraham said:Are you not?
Based on the Warwick modelling, at 10% severity, it was predicted to rise to a peak of about 2,500 a day hospital admissions and 1,500 deaths per day.
I think it is reasonable to guess that the behaviour changes have been enough to make a difference in the effective NPIs, which would bring admissions down to a peak of about 1,500 and deaths a peak of under 1,000 a day.
That's based on infections continuing to go up from here which is likely, but still not convinced it's something that would have been worth putting more formal restrictions in, and any implemented in January are worthless.0 -
Infections were supposed to be doubling every 2.5 days(?) I know the true number of infections is probably much higher, but unless I'm missing something I'm not seeing the rises that were predicted.kingstongraham said:
That's based on infections continuing to go up from here which is likely, but still not convinced it's something that would have been worth putting more formal restrictions in, and any implemented in January are worthless.
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rjsterry said:
🤨Stevo_666 said:
I think that's been well demonstrated in Cake Stop over a long period of time.rjsterry said:
If you hunt around the Internet long enough I'm sure you can find a source for anything.focuszing723 said:Common side effects
Like all medicines, the COVID-19 vaccines can cause side effects, but not everyone gets them.
Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week, such as:
a sore arm from the injection
feeling tired
a headache
feeling achy
feeling or being sick
You may also get a high temperature or feel hot or shivery 1 or 2 days after your vaccination. You can take painkillers such as paracetamol if you need to. If your symptoms get worse or you're worried, call 111.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/safety-and-side-effects/
It does annoy me when there are mixed messages from credible sources.
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They were, but any assumptions they would carry on like that were obviously fanciful once people knew about it and wanted to not catch it. London settling down at about 4 times higher than previous still is great news if you expected the whole country to have caught it by Xmas eve.imposter2.0 said:
Infections were supposed to be doubling every 2.5 days(?) I know the true number of infections is probably much higher, but unless I'm missing something I'm not seeing the rises that were predicted.kingstongraham said:
That's based on infections continuing to go up from here which is likely, but still not convinced it's something that would have been worth putting more formal restrictions in, and any implemented in January are worthless.0 -
I had an email from the NHS the other day telling me that due to previous conditions I'm eligible for new treatments if I catch Covid and would be sent a PCR kit to use if I get symptoms. Test kit arrived today. Anybody else had similar?0
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That's interesting. My mrs is in the 'extremely clinically vulnerable' group and usually is notified pretty quickly about what she should and shouldn't be doing and taking, but we haven't been contacted. We're in the Kingston/Surbiton area, perhaps it depends on your local health care resources? It would be good news, I think.veronese68 said:I had an email from the NHS the other day telling me that due to previous conditions I'm eligible for new treatments if I catch Covid and would be sent a PCR kit to use if I get symptoms. Test kit arrived today. Anybody else had similar?
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All boosted with Pfizer. Literally straight in, jabbed and out.2
