The big Coronavirus thread

mully79

Omicron England stats
22nd 69147 confirmed
195 hospitalised
18 deaths
21st 56041 confirmed
n/a hospitalised
n/a deaths
20th 41250 confirmed
129 hospitalised
14 deaths.
19th 34473 confirmed
104 hospitalised
12 deaths

A total of 195 people are in hospital with confirmed Omicron and 18 have died in total which is 2 people per day.

First.Aspect

briantrumpet said:

First.Aspect said:

briantrumpet said:

A handful of useful/common ones here:

A lot of these pre date the internet, and go back as far as the post it. Aka. Fyi. TBC.

And why abbreviate "people"? The clarity: brevity ratio is all wrong.

Yes, some of those are a waste of time, and outdated. I remember reading a book in French in the 90's on English slang, and if a French person had followed its advice, they'd have sounded like Austin Powers.

Lubly jubly.

imposter2.0

mully79 said:

Omicron England stats
22nd 69147 confirmed
195 hospitalised
18 deaths
21st 56041 confirmed
n/a hospitalised
n/a deaths
20th 41250 confirmed
129 hospitalised
14 deaths.
19th 34473 confirmed
104 hospitalised
12 deaths

A total of 195 people are in hospital with confirmed Omicron and 18 have died in total which is 2 people per day.

Is that 'with' or 'of' omicron. As far as I'm aware, I don't think that split is available - and neither is the 'omicron' admissions. I was listening to Evan Davies interviewing Prof Spiegelhalter on R4 earlier and 'iirc' he said as much.

I believe he also said that the majority of omicron admissions in London were likely to be incidental.

mully79

Just pooling the data together that the goverment release daily here.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-omicron-daily-overview

Doesnt quite paint the same pictures as the headlines although the doubling is concerning.

rick_chasey

briantrumpet said:

kingstongraham said:

First.Aspect said:

Oh for god's sake what does iirc mean?

I I ReCkon

I, I, Remember can't.

If I remember correctly

briantrumpet

rick_chasey said:

briantrumpet said:

kingstongraham said:

First.Aspect said:

Oh for god's sake what does iirc mean?

I I ReCkon

I, I, Remember can't.

If I remember correctly

What is it you think you're remembering correctly?

veronese68

FFS is quite useful if I recall correctly.

First.Aspect

Back in the day of print media I read a column by a gay guy who had coined "HTH" for unusual emergency room admissions.

The "I stepped back, slipped on a banana skin and landed on the sink plunger" sort of hospital admissions.

How'd that happen?

pinkbikini

veronese68 said:

FFS is quite useful if I recall correctly.

My favourite was always JFC

veronese68

First.Aspect said:

Back in the day of print media I read a column by a gay guy who had coined "HTH" for unusual emergency room admissions.

The "I stepped back, slipped on a banana skin and landed on the sink plunger" sort of hospital admissions.

How'd that happen?

Doctors have some great abbreviations and acronyms. NFN gets used quite a lot.

kingstonian

It also depends on how long people with Covid need to stay in hospital. If it is a day or two that would be markedly different to how it was last winter when people were in Covid wards for weeks on end.

Pross

First.Aspect said:

Back in the day of print media I read a column by a gay guy who had coined "HTH" for unusual emergency room admissions.

The "I stepped back, slipped on a banana skin and landed on the sink plunger" sort of hospital admissions.

How'd that happen?

Like this unfortunate incident - poor bloke, no-one believes him. At least it wasn't live though, every cloud etc. https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/bomb-squad-called-gloucestershire-royal-6298076

First.Aspect

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Back in the day of print media I read a column by a gay guy who had coined "HTH" for unusual emergency room admissions.

The "I stepped back, slipped on a banana skin and landed on the sink plunger" sort of hospital admissions.

How'd that happen?

Like this unfortunate incident - poor bloke, no-one believes him. At least it wasn't live though, every cloud etc. https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/bomb-squad-called-gloucestershire-royal-6298076

Is that even news in Gloucester?

Pross

First.Aspect said:

Pross said:

First.Aspect said:

Back in the day of print media I read a column by a gay guy who had coined "HTH" for unusual emergency room admissions.

The "I stepped back, slipped on a banana skin and landed on the sink plunger" sort of hospital admissions.

How'd that happen?

Like this unfortunate incident - poor bloke, no-one believes him. At least it wasn't live though, every cloud etc. https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/bomb-squad-called-gloucestershire-royal-6298076

Is that even news in Gloucester?

Yeah, he wasn't related to the bomb - deviant!

briantrumpet

kingstonian said:

It also depends on how long people with Covid need to stay in hospital. If it is a day or two that would be markedly different to how it was last winter when people were in Covid wards for weeks on end.

An interesting bit out of Dr JC today is the bit where he talks about the differing hospitalisation rates between South Africa and the UK on the one hand, and France & US on the other: that SA & UK are pretty flat on the numbers in hospital, France & US are rising. He suggests that this is still because Delta is dominant in the latter. Interesting if true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVl5OkHcvf4

john80

briantrumpet said:

kingstongraham said:

skyblueamateur said:

kingstongraham said:

briantrumpet said:

Over 100k cases reported today, but 'only' 140 deaths, which is lower than last week. And I still am left wondering when the high number of cases couple with steady mortality rates (I accept the later isn't yet established) will actually be reported as good news, rather than 😱

Up till now it's the booster effect on delta. Which is great news.

I can't see it staying steady in a couple of weeks when the last week's infections feed through. It's whether it goes up to 500 or 1500 a day, probably.

London hospital admissions up to 301 (50% up in a week) as the rise in infections starts to get into those numbers.

Is that people in hospital with Covid or because of Covid?

Same stats as ever, so the former including the latter, and some of the former will become the latter.

Dr John Campbell noted that 50% of those admissions identified with covid were presenting with other conditions, and that the covid was asymptomatic/incidental. I think in South Africa that percentage was even higher, IIRC.

Blasphemy I tell you. They were all there for covid. There is no other disease available.

kingstongraham

john80 said:

briantrumpet said:

kingstongraham said:

skyblueamateur said:

kingstongraham said:

briantrumpet said:

Over 100k cases reported today, but 'only' 140 deaths, which is lower than last week. And I still am left wondering when the high number of cases couple with steady mortality rates (I accept the later isn't yet established) will actually be reported as good news, rather than 😱

Up till now it's the booster effect on delta. Which is great news.

I can't see it staying steady in a couple of weeks when the last week's infections feed through. It's whether it goes up to 500 or 1500 a day, probably.

London hospital admissions up to 301 (50% up in a week) as the rise in infections starts to get into those numbers.

Is that people in hospital with Covid or because of Covid?

Same stats as ever, so the former including the latter, and some of the former will become the latter.

Dr John Campbell noted that 50% of those admissions identified with covid were presenting with other conditions, and that the covid was asymptomatic/incidental. I think in South Africa that percentage was even higher, IIRC.

Blasphemy I tell you. They were all there for covid. There is no other disease available.

What a strange thing to say.

focuszing723

It's good to see more UK based reports confirming Omicron being milder, QWERTY.

kingstongraham

It is, one of the models the sage guys did was a 90% lower severity which looks like it could be the one to look at.

kingstonian

Absolutely, just hope that continues to be the case

briantrumpet

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/dec/22/help-us-to-help-you-doctors-in-england-make-pleas-to-unvaccinated

Will Ricketts, a consultant chest physician at the Royal London hospital, tweeted on Wednesday: “Every new respiratory admission with Covid since Friday has been unvaccinated.”

On Sunday he had said nearly every patient on the Covid wards and every patient he had referred to intensive care was unvaccinated. He pleaded: “We’re not here to judge (my day job is lung cancer), but please help us to help you please #GetVaccinatedNow.”

A source for Barts health trust said: “The number of unvaccinated people admitted to ICU has fluctuated between 80% and 90% across the north-east London patch over the past few weeks. For our trust that includes Royal London, Barts, Whipps Cross and Newham.”

On Tuesday a respiratory registrar at a west London hospital tweeted: “Every single patient in our respiratory support unit is unvaccinated … #vaccines work”. He later deleted the tweet after some accused him of breaching patient confidentiality.

mully79

In my news feed it goes from a story that says a study shows a 20% reduction in likeliness of requiring hospital admission to the next story which is NHS England planning for field hospitals for the surge of cases and mortuary capacity reviews.

briantrumpet

mully79 said:

In my news feed it goes from a story that says a study shows a 20% reduction in likeliness of requiring hospital admission to the next story which is NHS England planning for field hospitals for the surge of cases and mortuary capacity reviews.

The reporting is all over the place at the moment. There's nothing wrong with planning field hospitals, just in case. But very few of the separate reports are really dealing with the speed, complexity and widely diverging "what if?s" in a holistic way, but merely milking each little snippet for the individual headlines.

kingstongraham

mully79 said:

In my news feed it goes from a story that says a study shows a 20% reduction in likeliness of requiring hospital admission to the next story which is NHS England planning for field hospitals for the surge of cases and mortuary capacity reviews.

If it's only 20%, then a five fold increase in cases like seen in London spells trouble. Hoping it's a much larger reduction so they don't have to use those plans.

kingstongraham

When would they need to announce a recall of parliament to get restrictions from boxing day voted through? I assume that moment has passed already.

briantrumpet

kingstongraham said:

When would they need to announce a recall of parliament to get restrictions from boxing day voted through? I assume that moment has passed already.

Couldn't they just do a poll on Cake Stop?

N0bodyOfTheGoat

kingstongraham said:

When would they need to announce a recall of parliament to get restrictions from boxing day voted through? I assume that moment has passed already.

Hope they don't do a postal vote, think we've only been getting letter deliveries twice a week since Black Friday!

Wheelspinner

briantrumpet said:

A handful of useful/common ones here:

You forgot DILLIGAF

webboo

veronese68 said:

First.Aspect said:

Back in the day of print media I read a column by a gay guy who had coined "HTH" for unusual emergency room admissions.

The "I stepped back, slipped on a banana skin and landed on the sink plunger" sort of hospital admissions.

How'd that happen?

Doctors have some great abbreviations and acronyms. NFN gets used quite a lot.

I’m remember reading some medical notes as student nurse which said, a fat slattern who has had a tiff with her boyfriend. TTFO.

Pross

It was like going back in time 12 months on the news earlier. I hadn't heard a publican trotting out that "there's no evidence of Covid spreading through the hospitality industry" and telling us what a safe environment pubs are. Obviously viruses don't spread well in environmenta were people are packed close together, talking more loudly than usual and generally losing their inhibitions / common sense.