The big Coronavirus thread

focuszing723

Pross said:

All boosted with Pfizer. Literally straight in, jabbed and out.

I had to wait 15 minutes before I could leave.

briantrumpet

focuszing723 said:

Pross said:

All boosted with Pfizer. Literally straight in, jabbed and out.

I had to wait 15 minutes before I could leave.

I thought they'd got rid of that.

focuszing723

briantrumpet said:

focuszing723 said:

Pross said:

All boosted with Pfizer. Literally straight in, jabbed and out.

I had to wait 15 minutes before I could leave.

I thought they'd got rid of that.

I didn't have to wait for my 2nd AZ jab, but yeah 15 mins for the booster a couple of weeks ago.

Ben6899

veronese68 said:

I had an email from the NHS the other day telling me that due to previous conditions I'm eligible for new treatments if I catch Covid and would be sent a PCR kit to use if I get symptoms. Test kit arrived today. Anybody else had similar?

Me. No kit though yet.

briantrumpet

I do wish they got deeper into the data. Is this 70% less for everyone, vaccinated & unvaccinated? If they were (for instance) to say 95% less likely for vaccinated, and 30% less likely for the unvaccinated (I'm making those figures up), it would be more useful. I'm assuming that there is a differential at play.

veronese68

harry-s said:

veronese68 said:

I had an email from the NHS the other day telling me that due to previous conditions I'm eligible for new treatments if I catch Covid and would be sent a PCR kit to use if I get symptoms. Test kit arrived today. Anybody else had similar?

That's interesting. My mrs is in the 'extremely clinically vulnerable' group and usually is notified pretty quickly about what she should and shouldn't be doing and taking, but we haven't been contacted. We're in the Kingston/Surbiton area, perhaps it depends on your local health care resources? It would be good news, I think.

Same area as me then, might depend on what the condition is/was. I had a lymphoma a few years back, had my booster in early November. Just read on a blood cancer group that 3 months after a booster you can have a booster booster. Presumably the vaccine will start to get tweaked for new strains the way the flu jab is.

Pross

briantrumpet said:

focuszing723 said:

Pross said:

All boosted with Pfizer. Literally straight in, jabbed and out.

I had to wait 15 minutes before I could leave.

I thought they'd got rid of that.

5 minutes for me.

Pross

Apparently they've had big queues all week and had the army helping this morning but the issue was people who should have been this evening turning up earlier. I guess the decision is to let them in when they turn up rather than risking them not coming back.

Pross

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

imposter2.0 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.

Why might it bother them, Stevo?

The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.

Stevo's our resident BoJo defender (though has been quite on that topic for the last couple of months), so I am curious why *who is doing the lying* matters to him.

Its to do with what Drakeford said & why - and how people in Wales might take that. Try sticking to the point.

It was interesting seeing a restaurant owner complaining about the changes coming in on the 26th in Wales destroying their business and in the same sentence saying that bookings for that night (yesterday) had been cancelled so only something like 6 of their 30 tables were booked.

I'm quite sure how that was due to restrictions in the future, it is simply that people are ready voting with their feet.

Ncovidius

Ben6899 said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

rjsterry said:

focuszing723 said:

Common side effects
Like all medicines, the COVID-19 vaccines can cause side effects, but not everyone gets them.

Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week, such as:

a sore arm from the injection
feeling tired
a headache
feeling achy
feeling or being sick
You may also get a high temperature or feel hot or shivery 1 or 2 days after your vaccination. You can take painkillers such as paracetamol if you need to. If your symptoms get worse or you're worried, call 111.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/safety-and-side-effects/

It does annoy me when there are mixed messages from credible sources.

If you hunt around the Internet long enough I'm sure you can find a source for anything.

The context are credible sources though, it wasn't the local astrologist.

If you click through to the original article it clearly states that the effects of NSAIDs on the efficacy of Covid vaccines has not been studied. So it's just a guess.

Paracetamol isn’t an NSAID. Is it?

Not that I really want to get into this!

No it isn’t. Steroid anti inflammatorys are administered to people in big Covid trouble, so I can’t see that taking NSAIDS is a bad thing.

kingstongraham

briantrumpet said:

I do wish they got deeper into the data. Is this 70% less for everyone, vaccinated & unvaccinated? If they were (for instance) to say 95% less likely for vaccinated, and 30% less likely for the unvaccinated (I'm making those figures up), it would be more useful. I'm assuming that there is a differential at play.

I heard a thing on the radio about the difference between inherent severity and effective severity which was this.

There's an Australian study reckons 40% inherent reduction. They're a good place to study it because they didn't have that many delta cases.

photonic69

Ben6899 said:

veronese68 said:

I had an email from the NHS the other day telling me that due to previous conditions I'm eligible for new treatments if I catch Covid and would be sent a PCR kit to use if I get symptoms. Test kit arrived today. Anybody else had similar?

Me. No kit though yet.

Me three. Wife is the same. Nothing as yet.

surrey_commuter

kingstongraham said:

kingstongraham said:

imposter2.0 said:

kingstongraham said:

imposter2.0 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.

Why might it bother them, Stevo?

The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.

You don't think when the numbers go up, England will follow next week?

which numbers?

Cases, hospital admissions, deaths.

And nhs workers off

I am amazed this is not discussed more often

TheBigBean

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

kingstongraham said:

imposter2.0 said:

kingstongraham said:

imposter2.0 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.

Why might it bother them, Stevo?

The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.

You don't think when the numbers go up, England will follow next week?

which numbers?

Cases, hospital admissions, deaths.

And nhs workers off

I am amazed this is not discussed more often

Last time, they didn't need to quarantine the full period. I'd expect a repeat.

Booster doses are going well. 31.7m done. Not sure how many people there are over 18 and eligible, but it is getting closer.

briantrumpet

TheBigBean said:

surrey_commuter said:

kingstongraham said:

kingstongraham said:

imposter2.0 said:

kingstongraham said:

imposter2.0 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.

Why might it bother them, Stevo?

The general feeling around here is that he has over-reached himself this time.

You don't think when the numbers go up, England will follow next week?

which numbers?

Cases, hospital admissions, deaths.

And nhs workers off

I am amazed this is not discussed more often

Last time, they didn't need to quarantine the full period. I'd expect a repeat.

Booster doses are going well. 31.7m done. Not sure how many people there are over 18 and eligible, but it is getting closer.

The speed they've done this is remarkable, even if they don't hit Boris Booster's target.

mully79

Funnily enough I’m sure there will be loads of other employees in many industries who work shifts throughout Xmas and new year who are unlucky enough to be isolating.

focuszing723

So does that mean Johnson is in the Cakeshop's good books again?

briantrumpet

focuszing723 said:

So does that mean Johnson is in the Cakeshop's good books again?

Too early to tell.

john80

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

blazing_saddles said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Welsh might be bothered.

BBC breakfast asked his sidekick Vaughan Gething what the reasoning was. Aside from mentioning the model used, he justified tougher restrictions being introduced yesterday, because of increased cases numbers………….yesterday.

Now that’s what I call a rapid response.

I see that now studies seem to be confirming Omicron is less potent than Delta, Sturgeon is also coming in for criticism.

I think even with lower virulence, restrictions can be justifiable because of the huge numbers, and spreading out the time that health workers catch it and have to isolate, and to give time for the boosters to do their thing.

Restrictions once it's already spread and the boosters are working are less justifiable though. And restrictions that allow people to be in the same room with people they don't regularly spend time with, less so again.

Closing nightclubs once its spread among the yoof seems particularly silly. More so leaving them open in the week running up to everyone meeting up with Grandparents.

It's funny how no one seems to be able to manage risk for themselves anymore. When do we start moaning about Boris not tying my shoelaces.

Ben6899

focuszing723 said:

So does that mean Johnson is in the Cakeshop's good books again?

He’s actually irredeemable.

TheBigBean

focuszing723 said:

So does that mean Johnson is in the Cakeshop's good books again?

Again?

briantrumpet

Ben6899 said:

focuszing723 said:

So does that mean Johnson is in the Cakeshop's good books again?

He’s actually irredeemable.

He'd actually have to be really really unlucky not to strike lucky once with his inability to make a decision on time.

focuszing723

john80 said:

Jezyboy said:

kingstongraham said:

blazing_saddles said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Welsh might be bothered.

BBC breakfast asked his sidekick Vaughan Gething what the reasoning was. Aside from mentioning the model used, he justified tougher restrictions being introduced yesterday, because of increased cases numbers………….yesterday.

Now that’s what I call a rapid response.

I see that now studies seem to be confirming Omicron is less potent than Delta, Sturgeon is also coming in for criticism.

I think even with lower virulence, restrictions can be justifiable because of the huge numbers, and spreading out the time that health workers catch it and have to isolate, and to give time for the boosters to do their thing.

Restrictions once it's already spread and the boosters are working are less justifiable though. And restrictions that allow people to be in the same room with people they don't regularly spend time with, less so again.

Closing nightclubs once its spread among the yoof seems particularly silly. More so leaving them open in the week running up to everyone meeting up with Grandparents.

It's funny how no one seems to be able to manage risk for themselves anymore. When do we start moaning about Boris not tying my shoelaces.

To be fair, would you trust that he had done them up correctly with due care and diligence? In reality there would be a distinct possibility you would end up in a heap on the floor.

focuszing723

TheBigBean said:

focuszing723 said:

So does that mean Johnson is in the Cakeshop's good books again?

Again?

So does that mean Johnson is finally in Cakeshop's good books?

imposter2.0

focuszing723 said:

TheBigBean said:

focuszing723 said:

So does that mean Johnson is in the Cakeshop's good books again?

Again?

So does that mean Johnson is finally in Cakeshop's good books?

What's the old saying about a broken clock? If he got it right, then it's more by accident than judgement.

briantrumpet

Vaguely interestingly, Trump is telling everyone to get vaccinated & boosted now.

Will everyone suddenly forget his past record?

https://twitter.com/Kukicat7/status/1473743177806974977

Or is he still an utterly deranged, dangerous lunatic?

https://twitter.com/SpiroAgnewGhost/status/1474071383176990727

TheBigBean

On 30th September, 44,901,832 people had received two doses of the vaccine. Presumably all of these are eligible for a booster this year. Currently, 31,684,926 have received a booster, so 70.56% of the target with another 13,216,906 to go. This excludes today's doses. Excluding Christmas Day and Boxing Day, there are 7 more days to be added, so the target is unlikely to be hit; however, I can't imagine that all of the 13,216,906 are trying - some will have left the country, be on holiday or simply not want it.

tailwindhome

PCR booked for tomorrow.
Expecting +ve confirmation on Xmas Day

TheBigBean

tailwindhome said:

PCR booked for tomorrow.
Expecting +ve confirmation on Xmas Day

Are you less confident about your March 2020 theory or just think you have it again?

Stevo_666

TheBigBean said:

On 30th September, 44,901,832 people had received two doses of the vaccine. Presumably all of these are eligible for a booster this year. Currently, 31,684,926 have received a booster, so 70.56% of the target with another 13,216,906 to go. This excludes today's doses. Excluding Christmas Day and Boxing Day, there are 7 more days to be added, so the target is unlikely to be hit; however, I can't imagine that all of the 13,216,906 are trying - some will have left the country, be on holiday or simply not want it.

I think most people will agree that is bloody good going.