The big Coronavirus thread

focuszing723

mrb123 said:

joe2019 said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

Jezyboy said:

Well booster seems to have fücked me right up this morning.

Bit mine this evening, not looking forward to it as I've heard a lot more people saying they've felt rough after this than with the original two.

Take paracetamol before going. Worked for me.
Zero effects from all 3 jabs.

Taking painkillers such as paracetamol before receiving the COVID-19 vaccine to prevent side effects is not recommended.

This is because painkillers may affect how well the vaccine works.

Do you have a source for that?

https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/13115048/will-you-have-the-covid-19-vaccine/p1

I don't think you need to even ask him that question. He created this thread then continued to faux procrastinate about getting a vaccine, wind up merchant.

joe2019

mrb123 said:

joe2019 said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

Jezyboy said:

Well booster seems to have fücked me right up this morning.

Bit mine this evening, not looking forward to it as I've heard a lot more people saying they've felt rough after this than with the original two.

Take paracetamol before going. Worked for me.
Zero effects from all 3 jabs.

Taking painkillers such as paracetamol before receiving the COVID-19 vaccine to prevent side effects is not recommended.

This is because painkillers may affect how well the vaccine works.

Do you have a source for that?

Sure:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/experts-try-to-avoid-painkillers-before-or-after-covid-vaccine/

rjsterry

Stevo_666 said:

blazing_saddles said:

Stevo_666 said:

Cautiously optimistic seems to be the message so far:
https://telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/latest-omicron-data-offers-cause-growing-hope-amid-uncertainty/

Unlike the Welsh Assembly which has opted for the extravagantly pessimistic message.

Do you reckon that are looking at different evidence; or they like lockdowns and need to justify the restrictions with a pessimistic message?

Same evidence, which by definition will be incomplete at the point a decision needs to be made. One leader has the support of his party, the other has been given notice and has to rely on the opposition to get things done. FWIW, I don't think either has it right, but at least there is something that you can plan around in Wales.

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

blazing_saddles said:

Stevo_666 said:

Cautiously optimistic seems to be the message so far:
https://telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/latest-omicron-data-offers-cause-growing-hope-amid-uncertainty/

Unlike the Welsh Assembly which has opted for the extravagantly pessimistic message.

Do you reckon that are looking at different evidence; or they like lockdowns and need to justify the restrictions with a pessimistic message?

The way I see it one is hedged and one is higher risk higher reward.

Stevo_666

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

blazing_saddles said:

Stevo_666 said:

Cautiously optimistic seems to be the message so far:
https://telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/latest-omicron-data-offers-cause-growing-hope-amid-uncertainty/

Unlike the Welsh Assembly which has opted for the extravagantly pessimistic message.

Do you reckon that are looking at different evidence; or they like lockdowns and need to justify the restrictions with a pessimistic message?

The way I see it one is hedged and one is higher risk higher reward.

I suppose there is some risk for him if he is seen to be lying to justify restrictions.

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

Stevo_666

rjsterry said:

Stevo_666 said:

blazing_saddles said:

Stevo_666 said:

Cautiously optimistic seems to be the message so far:
https://telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/latest-omicron-data-offers-cause-growing-hope-amid-uncertainty/

Unlike the Welsh Assembly which has opted for the extravagantly pessimistic message.

Do you reckon that are looking at different evidence; or they like lockdowns and need to justify the restrictions with a pessimistic message?

at least there is something that you can plan around in Wales.

I'm sure the Welsh are chuffed about that.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Welsh might be bothered.

rick_chasey

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.

Why might it bother them, Stevo?

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Weslsh might.

Why might it bother them, Stevo?

See above - possibly unnecessary restrictions.

rick_chasey

Almost like politicians lying to get something through or for political gain is maybe not all that it's cracked up to be?

Or is it only labour lying that bothers you?

joe2019

focuszing723 said:

mrb123 said:

joe2019 said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

Jezyboy said:

Well booster seems to have fücked me right up this morning.

Bit mine this evening, not looking forward to it as I've heard a lot more people saying they've felt rough after this than with the original two.

Take paracetamol before going. Worked for me.
Zero effects from all 3 jabs.

Taking painkillers such as paracetamol before receiving the COVID-19 vaccine to prevent side effects is not recommended.

This is because painkillers may affect how well the vaccine works.

Do you have a source for that?

https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/13115048/will-you-have-the-covid-19-vaccine/p1

I don't think you need to even ask him that question. He created this thread then continued to faux procrastinate about getting a vaccine, wind up merchant.

I didn't just make it up...

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/experts-try-to-avoid-painkillers-before-or-after-covid-vaccine/

Jezyboy

If we are randomly going to throw acquisitions at the Drakeford for locking down merely because he likes lockdowns, maybe we should randomly suggest that Johnson desires to prolong the pandemic as he knows the knifes are out for him as soon as it is over...

For what it's worth I think Johnson is making the right decision (this might be the first time I've agreed with him all pandemic, maybe it's still the side effects of the booster...)

focuszing723

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

Maybe. Perhaps there is something in this wine and cheese malarkey in pacifying the old Eton mess nerves.

Stevo_666

rick_chasey said:

Almost like politicians lying to get something through or for political gain is maybe not all that it's cracked up to be?

Or is it only labour lying that bothers you?

Rick, I'm not playing 20 Questions with you. My point above is clear enough.

Pross

Jezyboy said:

If we are randomly going to throw acquisitions at the Drakeford for locking down merely because he likes lockdowns, maybe we should randomly suggest that Johnson desires to prolong the pandemic as he knows the knifes are out for him as soon as it is over...

For what it's worth I think Johnson is making the right decision (this might be the first time I've agreed with him all pandemic, maybe it's still the side effects of the booster...)

Looks like the 5G technology bugs have been sorted out in the 'booster' version.

mully79

I agree that Johnsons best decision is that he hasnt made a decision on Covid restrictions.

focuszing723

joe2019 said:

focuszing723 said:

mrb123 said:

joe2019 said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

Jezyboy said:

Well booster seems to have fücked me right up this morning.

Bit mine this evening, not looking forward to it as I've heard a lot more people saying they've felt rough after this than with the original two.

Take paracetamol before going. Worked for me.
Zero effects from all 3 jabs.

Taking painkillers such as paracetamol before receiving the COVID-19 vaccine to prevent side effects is not recommended.

This is because painkillers may affect how well the vaccine works.

Do you have a source for that?

https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/13115048/will-you-have-the-covid-19-vaccine/p1

I don't think you need to even ask him that question. He created this thread then continued to faux procrastinate about getting a vaccine, wind up merchant.

I didn't just make it up...

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/experts-try-to-avoid-painkillers-before-or-after-covid-vaccine/

That's me staggered twice today then, apologies.

focuszing723

Common side effects
Like all medicines, the COVID-19 vaccines can cause side effects, but not everyone gets them.

Most side effects are mild and should not last longer than a week, such as:

a sore arm from the injection
feeling tired
a headache
feeling achy
feeling or being sick
You may also get a high temperature or feel hot or shivery 1 or 2 days after your vaccination. You can take painkillers such as paracetamol if you need to. If your symptoms get worse or you're worried, call 111.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/safety-and-side-effects/

It does annoy me when there are mixed messages from credible sources.

Jezyboy

I think you're fine to take them after the jab just it's not recommended before.

joe2019

The original poster was suggesting taking them before the jab.

Which is bad advice.

focuszing723

Jezyboy said:

I think you're fine to take them after the jab just it's not recommended before.

I wouldn't say this is public knowledge though, if that's the recommendation. I certainly haven't heard this via the government press conferences.

joe2019

focuszing723 said:

Jezyboy said:

I think you're fine to take them after the jab just it's not recommended before.

I wouldn't say this is public knowledge though, if that's the recommendation. I certainly haven't heard this via the government press conferences.

Have you ever taken painkillers before you get pain?

kingstongraham

If we get restrictions after this weekend in England, that will be us getting an even worse decision than Wales

focuszing723

joe2019 said:

focuszing723 said:

Jezyboy said:

I think you're fine to take them after the jab just it's not recommended before.

I wouldn't say this is public knowledge though, if that's the recommendation. I certainly haven't heard this via the government press conferences.

Have you ever taken painkillers before you get pain?

Perhaps someone might have a mild headache, dodgy knee, hip... However they would be prepared not to take one if they realised it makes the vaccine more responsive, pre-jab.

blazing_saddles

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Welsh might be bothered.

BBC breakfast asked his sidekick Vaughan Gething what the reasoning was. Aside from mentioning the model used, he justified tougher restrictions being introduced yesterday, because of increased case numbers…………..yesterday.

Now that’s what I call a rapid response.

I see that now studies seem to be confirming Omicron is less potent than Delta, Sturgeon is also coming in for criticism.

focuszing723

If people in essential services go off sick, would the Government have the required staff to cope though. Another consideration.

kingstongraham

blazing_saddles said:

Stevo_666 said:

rick_chasey said:

Stevo_666 said:

focuszing723 said:

Despite the positive evidence, I can understand why someone calling the shots wants to be "better safe than sorry" with regards the demands on essential services, especially if a reasonable amount of people throw caution to the wind.

I wouldn't want to make the call.

He's already been accused of lying about it:
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/12/23/mark-drakeford-accused-lying-claim-omicron-probably-severe-delta/

And based on the evidence he looks to be factually incorrect at least.

What bothers you about politicians lying, Stevo?

It doesn't bother me what Drakeford says, but the Welsh might be bothered.

BBC breakfast asked his sidekick Vaughan Gething what the reasoning was. Aside from mentioning the model used, he justified tougher restrictions being introduced yesterday, because of increased cases numbers………….yesterday.

Now that’s what I call a rapid response.

I see that now studies seem to be confirming Omicron is less potent than Delta, Sturgeon is also coming in for criticism.

I think even with lower virulence, restrictions can be justifiable because of the huge numbers, and spreading out the time that health workers catch it and have to isolate, and to give time for the boosters to do their thing.

Restrictions once it's already spread and the boosters are working are less justifiable though. And restrictions that allow people to be in the same room with people they don't regularly spend time with, less so again.

N0bodyOfTheGoat

focuszing723 said:

If people in essential services go off sick, would the Government have the required staff to cope though. Another consideration.

Don't worry, the army will be doing shelf stacking next week, followed by refuse collection the week after.