The big Coronavirus thread

briantrumpet

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

Pross said:

Ncovidius said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-hospital-moves-red-alert-24927712

Aneurin Bevan Health Board. In Wales has already gone up to its highest alert level because of the numbers of patients in the I.C.U. With Covid

Surprised with that as it's my local health board and I'm not aware of there being much of an issue around here at the moment. Also surprising they are showing a photo of the Royal Gwent as the hospital as I'm pretty sure severe cases are treated at the brand new Grange Hospital now.

The report originates from Wales Online though, not renowned for accurate reporting.

Having said that it looks like I won't be seeing my wife for a few days as she's having to cover a load of shifts due to staff catching Covid. Fortunately, working in care, pre-vaccine they got away with very few positive cases among staff and none among their service users.

Likewise, my wife has just been called in to work the weekend to cover those off.
We still have a bit of uphill to go before seeing the sunny horizon.

You know how the horizon is always over there, however much you walk towards it.

Yeahbut it helps if you make it to the top of the hill and can see the sunny valley below instead of just the storm clouds above the hill.

Shouldn't there be a host of golden daffodils in there too?

pblakeney

briantrumpet said:

pblakeney said:

rjsterry said:

pblakeney said:

Pross said:

Pross said:

Ncovidius said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-hospital-moves-red-alert-24927712

Aneurin Bevan Health Board. In Wales has already gone up to its highest alert level because of the numbers of patients in the I.C.U. With Covid

Surprised with that as it's my local health board and I'm not aware of there being much of an issue around here at the moment. Also surprising they are showing a photo of the Royal Gwent as the hospital as I'm pretty sure severe cases are treated at the brand new Grange Hospital now.

The report originates from Wales Online though, not renowned for accurate reporting.

Having said that it looks like I won't be seeing my wife for a few days as she's having to cover a load of shifts due to staff catching Covid. Fortunately, working in care, pre-vaccine they got away with very few positive cases among staff and none among their service users.

Likewise, my wife has just been called in to work the weekend to cover those off.
We still have a bit of uphill to go before seeing the sunny horizon.

You know how the horizon is always over there, however much you walk towards it.

Yeahbut it helps if you make it to the top of the hill and can see the sunny valley below instead of just the storm clouds above the hill.

Shouldn't there be a host of golden daffodils in there too?

We can only dream at this point. 😉

john80

Pross said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.

john80 said:

It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.

Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.

It is a political choice and that why we pay them. If it was a health choice you would still be cooped up in your house till cases were at pretty much zero. Sisters kid was off school with covid the other week. Is it better that he does 10 days of isolation or all thirty kids do it for every case. Hence the political choice.

You seem determined to misunderstand me. This is exactly my point. Yes it is better for one child to miss a few days than for it to work through the class and 15 or 20 miss ten days.

You don't have a solution. One kid gets sent home on Friday for a positive lateral flow test following symptoms. It takes till Monday for the second kid to get symptoms and then a positive lateral flow at which point he is in school. This was the situation with my sister's kid. In the old system the whole class would have been off. Now they try to minimise the time but there is that period where they are passing it between them without significant symptoms or a positive lft. So it will work through the class to some degree albeit reduced with testing. Essentially we are reverting back to it being an individual problem and not a group problem.

You seem to be rambling now. The initial issue as I remember was that a child in a house with a confirmed positive Covid case is allowed to attend school. The answer is simple, the child stays home for 10 days.

Regardless of what you want this is not the current rules. You are allowed to go to work if your partner is at home with covid. So why would you keep a kid at home in the house when the adults can be out working. There is little logic to your ramblings. For example if you were consistent you would send all kids home that had spent 8 hours in a classroom with a confirmed case classmate as it is pretty much the same risk as the household setting. My sister got covid months ago and stayed in her house with the family and none of them got covid. You are just arguing for a restriction that is pretty pointless in my view.

kingstongraham

john80 said:

Pross said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

rjsterry said:

john80 said:

It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.

john80 said:

It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.

Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.

It is a political choice and that why we pay them. If it was a health choice you would still be cooped up in your house till cases were at pretty much zero. Sisters kid was off school with covid the other week. Is it better that he does 10 days of isolation or all thirty kids do it for every case. Hence the political choice.

You seem determined to misunderstand me. This is exactly my point. Yes it is better for one child to miss a few days than for it to work through the class and 15 or 20 miss ten days.

You don't have a solution. One kid gets sent home on Friday for a positive lateral flow test following symptoms. It takes till Monday for the second kid to get symptoms and then a positive lateral flow at which point he is in school. This was the situation with my sister's kid. In the old system the whole class would have been off. Now they try to minimise the time but there is that period where they are passing it between them without significant symptoms or a positive lft. So it will work through the class to some degree albeit reduced with testing. Essentially we are reverting back to it being an individual problem and not a group problem.

You seem to be rambling now. The initial issue as I remember was that a child in a house with a confirmed positive Covid case is allowed to attend school. The answer is simple, the child stays home for 10 days.

Regardless of what you want this is not the current rules. You are allowed to go to work if your partner is at home with covid. So why would you keep a kid at home in the house when the adults can be out working. There is little logic to your ramblings. For example if you were consistent you would send all kids home that had spent 8 hours in a classroom with a confirmed case classmate as it is pretty much the same risk as the household setting. My sister got covid months ago and stayed in her house with the family and none of them got covid. You are just arguing for a restriction that is pretty pointless in my view.

That would have been pre-delta then? Different world now.

womack

I suppose the one question that hasn't been answered, is there a correlation between bumming and an upwards Covid infection curve?

skyblueamateur

I wouldn't go into work if my wife tested positive for Covid and likewise wouldn't send my kids to school. That is mental.

Just because they are the rules doesn't make them sensible.

john80

skyblueamateur said:

I wouldn't go into work if my wife tested positive for Covid and likewise wouldn't send my kids to school. That is mental.

Just because they are the rules doesn't make them sensible.

It might be mental but you have to ask why Whitty and those guys are not breaking rank and calling it out as such. Or maybe they are realists.

DeVlaeminck

We couldn't go on with the level of self isolation we had. Whether isolation if you live in the same house would be sensible - maybe.

skyblueamateur

DeVlaeminck said:

We couldn't go on with the level of self isolation we had. Whether isolation if you live in the same house would be sensible - maybe.

I wouldn't disagree with that and the self-isolation was out of control.

That being said it's gone from one extreme to another. I'll make my own decisions and hopefully it won't be the case, but if anyone in my household catches Covid we'll bunker down for 10 days.

Jezyboy

I imagine one day memoirs from Whitty, Johnson and Cummings will all be published, showing their working.

I would hazard a guess that Whitty has disagreed with a number of decisions, but believes he can do more good in the tent peeing out.

kingstongraham

They should probably stress more some of the advice for if you have a confirmed case in the household:

As well as getting a PCR test, you may also consider:

-limiting close contact with other people outside your household, especially in enclosed spaces
-wearing a face covering in enclosed spaces and where you are unable to maintain social distancing

I don't think we've caught up with how much more easily spread the delta variant is. If you live in a house that has a case, it seems you now will get it, vaccinated it not.

skyblueamateur

kingstongraham said:

They should probably stress more some of the advice for if you have a confirmed case in the household:

As well as getting a PCR test, you may also consider:

-limiting close contact with other people outside your household, especially in enclosed spaces
-wearing a face covering in enclosed spaces and where you are unable to maintain social distancing

I don't think we've caught up with how much more easily spread the delta variant is. If you live in a house that has a case, it seems you now will get it, vaccinated it not.

Only anecdotal but that has been the case for everyone I know who has caught it over the last couple of months.

Jezyboy

Anecdote time.

Went to some league one football two/three weeks ago, with a friend.

He (double AZ jabbed in March) tested positive 4 days later. Fortunately no one else in his house has tested positive given his wife is vulnerable.

I (double phizer quite recently) had a sinus infection but none of the big covid symptoms and have produced lots of negative tests.

Hopefully shows you can contain delta within a household, but I should think it's a lot to do with luck.

First.Aspect

Did I miss the part where the government told people NOT to use common sense?

veronese68

First.Aspect said:

Did I miss the part where the government told people NOT to use common sense?

Common sense isn't that common unfortunately.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

Did I miss the part where the government told people NOT to use common sense?

Effectively, yes. Schools have been told to mark absences due to a positive family member as 'unauthorised'.

First.Aspect

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

Did I miss the part where the government told people NOT to use common sense?

Effectively, yes. Schools have been told to mark absences due to a positive family member as 'unauthorised'.

I'll look forward to the Daily Mail and Express articles about the inevitable round of fines imposed by schools because of how imperative every femtosecond of teaching is, and how they will never ever ever catch up if they miss a day. Which fines will later be graciously waived, together with a stern and condescending ticking off.

Ncovidius

The cases of the ‘Mu’ variant are increasing in the U.K. now as well. This is the one which the scientists believe is very adept ( even more so than the Delta variant ) at avoiding the antibody response. They’re still fairly confident that it can be dealt with on the cellular level though. I can’t help but be sceptical about the government’s claim that there won’t be a ‘firebreak lockdown’ in October though. Sage seem to think things are about to go a bit pear shaped, and that the N.H.S. will be under the sort of pressures that invoked the last two lockdowns. The consensus seems to be that the number of deaths shouldn’t be as high as previously, however, although that’s good news, it doesn’t stop the problem of the hospitals getting overloaded, which would be enough to invoke another lockdown by itself.

rjsterry

First.Aspect said:

rjsterry said:

First.Aspect said:

Did I miss the part where the government told people NOT to use common sense?

Effectively, yes. Schools have been told to mark absences due to a positive family member as 'unauthorised'.

I'll look forward to the Daily Mail and Express articles about the inevitable round of fines imposed by schools because of how imperative every femtosecond of teaching is, and how they will never ever ever catch up if they miss a day. Which fines will later be graciously waived, together with a stern and condescending ticking off.

Don't get me started on the ludicrous double standards on school attendance.

monkimark

I caught covid about a month ago - I was double vaccinated a couple of weeks before that and had very mild symptoms but strangely neither my wife nor my kids got it.

Once I was aware/suspected that I had it I pretty much isolated myself in the spare room or in the garden and wore a mask walking around the house but there must have been a couple of days where I had it without realising and was just going about my life as usual (I had a long weekend so spent 3 days prior to the symptoms at home with the family).

I put it down to my excellent isolating skills, the wife thinks she's just a lot tougher than me...

kingstongraham said:

I don't think we've caught up with how much more easily spread the delta variant is. If you live in a house that has a case, it seems you now will get it, vaccinated it not.

DeVlaeminck

Both my daughters had it and none of the rest of us caught it - they were all living at home at the time. I sat next to eldest daughter watching an England game for 2.5 hours the night before she tested positive and still didnt get it - no great precautions were taken other than open windows and once we knew Id sit a bit further away in same room.

However when youngest caught it all 4 that went on a road trip caught it.

kingstongraham

Here's hoping:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1435883801729773571

Dorset_Boy

kingstongraham said:

Here's hoping:

https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1435883801729773571

Bugger, done it the wrong way round! Double jabbed and then caught Covid.

The boy might be alright though!

rick_chasey

Ha, that really would be feather in the cap of the British response if it were true.

"turns out, letting everyone getting and *then* jabbing people was actually a great idea! Knew it all along!"

kingstongraham

I still don't feel superhuman.

pblakeney

rick_chasey said:

Ha, that really would be feather in the cap of the British response if it were true.

"turns out, letting everyone getting and *then* jabbing people was actually a great idea! Knew it all along!"

You saying *him* was right all along? 😱😱😱

rick_chasey

I think he lacks enough tact and grace to claim it as a victory of British boldness if it turned out to be true.

kingstongraham

You would have to ignore all those for whom getting the virus meant they didn't subsequently get the chance of the vaccine.

rick_chasey

kingstongraham said:

You would have to ignore all those for whom getting the virus meant they didn't subsequently get the chance of the vaccine.

I think his supporters are quite OK with doing that.

First.Aspect

rick_chasey said:

kingstongraham said:

You would have to ignore all those for whom getting the virus meant they didn't subsequently get the chance of the vaccine.

I think his supporters are quite OK with doing that.

Absolutely none of those people have subsequently been reinfected.