The big Coronavirus thread

Pross

It will be interesting to see the reaction if he breaks yet another promise and we do get the "firebreak" lockdown that is rumoured to be coming. That won't sit well with his base.

If we do go for a firebreak they need to make it harsh enough to be beneficial.

john80

It is not about his base at this point. You would have to demonstrate some pretty bleak scenes to get the general public to agree to another lockdown. The non compliance would me mental.

DeVlaeminck

Yes I can't see them going back to stay indoors, only leave the house for essential exercise and stay local. They could easy stop me going to the pub though by shutting the pubs.

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darkhairedlord

DeVlaeminck said:

Yes I can't see them going back to stay indoors, only leave the house for essential exercise and stay local. They could easy stop me going to the pub though by shutting the pubs.

I

If they close the pubs and clubs it would free up a significant labour force.

briantrumpet

darkhairedlord said:

DeVlaeminck said:

Yes I can't see them going back to stay indoors, only leave the house for essential exercise and stay local. They could easy stop me going to the pub though by shutting the pubs.

I

If they close the pubs and clubs it would free up a significant labour force.

Put 'em all on fast-track HGV driver training. A week should do it.

kingstongraham

briantrumpet said:

darkhairedlord said:

DeVlaeminck said:

Yes I can't see them going back to stay indoors, only leave the house for essential exercise and stay local. They could easy stop me going to the pub though by shutting the pubs.

I

If they close the pubs and clubs it would free up a significant labour force.

Put 'em all on fast-track HGV driver training. A week should do it.

Win/win, all the drivers who would have been delivering beer get freed up too.

Jezyboy

DeVlaeminck said:

Yes I can't see them going back to stay indoors, only leave the house for essential exercise and stay local. They could easy stop me going to the pub though by shutting the pubs.

I

I imagine it'll run pretty rampant through some schools now, given the isolation rules. So maybe a two week half term will give some breathing room.

I imagine the compliance with any stay at home/don't socialise in eachother houses would be pretty low. Otoh, they can easily ban mass events and pubs etc.

As my other half describes it, it's been poo all year, but now there's a new extra bit of poo because you can do everything, but it all has to be weighed up with the responsibility of not catching it and being in a position to pass the virus on to someone who could really do without catching it.

It's not worth watching one league one football match to catch covid and expose your vulnerable family members to it. But it's also difficult to work out what the actual risk level is.

TheBigBean

I would say tube face mask compliance is around 50% which gives some indication of how many people are happy to break the rules.

Jezyboy

Sturgeon brings in covid vaccine passports. Much to the disgust of (Scottish) Tory MPs. Although seemingly they aren't that far away in England

orraloon

Jezyboy said:

Sturgeon brings in covid vaccine passports. Much to the disgust of (Scottish) Tory MPs. Although seemingly they aren't that far away in England

Politicians gonna politiwank, is all they do. Is all they can do.

DeVlaeminck

If you remember my mate who works in care homes and is a vaccine refuser. He still hasn't been jabbed and unless he gets his first one pretty soon he will be out of a job.

Think he said 8 out of just over 100 staff (they own more than one home) are refusing. If that's typical the numbers aren't huge but it's on top of a growing shortage of care workers. He is on minimum wage so not surprising.

kingstongraham

DeVlaeminck said:

If you remember my mate who works in care homes and is a vaccine refuser. He still hasn't been jabbed and unless he gets his first one pretty soon he will be out of a job.

Think he said 8 out of just over 100 staff (they own more than one home) are refusing. If that's typical the numbers aren't huge but it's on top of a growing shortage of care workers. He is on minimum wage so not surprising.

Can he drive?

DeVlaeminck

kingstongraham said:

DeVlaeminck said:

If you remember my mate who works in care homes and is a vaccine refuser. He still hasn't been jabbed and unless he gets his first one pretty soon he will be out of a job.

Think he said 8 out of just over 100 staff (they own more than one home) are refusing. If that's typical the numbers aren't huge but it's on top of a growing shortage of care workers. He is on minimum wage so not surprising.

Can he drive?

Yes

First.Aspect

Jezyboy said:

Sturgeon brings in covid vaccine passports. Much to the disgust of (Scottish) Tory MPs. Although seemingly they aren't that far away in England

I thought they'd already been announced.

To which if I recall the SNP were critical, because they were so much after reopening.

Well whatdya know.

john80

DeVlaeminck said:

kingstongraham said:

DeVlaeminck said:

If you remember my mate who works in care homes and is a vaccine refuser. He still hasn't been jabbed and unless he gets his first one pretty soon he will be out of a job.

Think he said 8 out of just over 100 staff (they own more than one home) are refusing. If that's typical the numbers aren't huge but it's on top of a growing shortage of care workers. He is on minimum wage so not surprising.

Can he drive?

Yes

When he gets his hgv license he can refuse to have his driving hours monitored. He can then move on to his next career.

surrey_commuter

john80 said:

DeVlaeminck said:

kingstongraham said:

DeVlaeminck said:

If you remember my mate who works in care homes and is a vaccine refuser. He still hasn't been jabbed and unless he gets his first one pretty soon he will be out of a job.

Think he said 8 out of just over 100 staff (they own more than one home) are refusing. If that's typical the numbers aren't huge but it's on top of a growing shortage of care workers. He is on minimum wage so not surprising.

Can he drive?

Yes

When he gets his hgv license he can refuse to have his driving hours monitored. He can then move on to his next career.

If he becomes a vet he can bury his mistakes

rjsterry

TheBigBean said:

I would say tube face mask compliance is around 50% which gives some indication of how many people are happy to break the rules.

It was better than that on my journeys but I do think they could be a bit more forceful about it. There can't be that many Laurence Fox fanbois.

elbowloh

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

I would say tube face mask compliance is around 50% which gives some indication of how many people are happy to break the rules.

It was better than that on my journeys but I do think they could be a bit more forceful about it. There can't be that many Laurence Fox fanbois.

Even when the full lockdown was on, many people refused to wear the masks on trains into London. When asked to to so by Network Rail or train company staff, the staff were often subjected to verbal abuse and in some cases physical abuse ranging from being spat at or punched. I saw the reports coming from many of the stations.

pangolin

I don't think I've seen anyone, at any point, getting asked to put a mask on by someone in authority (police, security, shop owner, whatever)

TheBigBean

rjsterry said:

TheBigBean said:

I would say tube face mask compliance is around 50% which gives some indication of how many people are happy to break the rules.

It was better than that on my journeys but I do think they could be a bit more forceful about it. There can't be that many Laurence Fox fanbois.

I think it depends on the time of day (4pm weekday being bad), but I think it is slowly getting worse.

pblakeney

pangolin said:

I don't think I've seen anyone, at any point, getting asked to put a mask on by someone in authority (police, security, shop owner, whatever)

I've seen one (small) shop owner refuse entry.
There was no argument but I doubt she would have served him if he persisted.

Jezyboy

First.Aspect said:

Jezyboy said:

Sturgeon brings in covid vaccine passports. Much to the disgust of (Scottish) Tory MPs. Although seemingly they aren't that far away in England

I thought they'd already been announced.

To which if I recall the SNP were critical, because they were so much after reopening.

Well whatdya know.

It does seem slightly pointless, given that vaccinated people can still catch and pass on (although with reduced liklihoods), the key benefit to being vaccinated seems to be that the individual will not get as ill.

Given the tremendous rates that the vaccine program achieved, bringing in a passport just feels needlessly authoritarian.

kingstongraham

Only crowded place I've been lately required a covid pass on the app for entry. I was more happy to attend with that as a requirement.

That said, I went to comedy last night indoors that had no requirement, but only 20 people showed up so it wasn't very crowded.

Maybe they could make it vaccine or recent test, but the test has to be at an official facility, not just a home bodge job.

pblakeney

Jezyboy said:

First.Aspect said:

Jezyboy said:

Sturgeon brings in covid vaccine passports. Much to the disgust of (Scottish) Tory MPs. Although seemingly they aren't that far away in England

I thought they'd already been announced.

To which if I recall the SNP were critical, because they were so much after reopening.

Well whatdya know.

It does seem slightly pointless, given that vaccinated people can still catch and pass on (although with reduced liklihoods), the key benefit to being vaccinated seems to be that the individual will not get as ill.

Given the tremendous rates that the vaccine program achieved, bringing in a passport just feels needlessly authoritarian.

I read it as an incentive for the hesitant to get the vaccine.
But that in itself will start debates.

Jezyboy

kingstongraham said:

Only crowded place I've been lately required a covid pass on the app for entry. I was more happy to attend with that as a requirement.

That said, I went to comedy last night indoors that had no requirement, but only 20 people showed up so it wasn't very crowded.

Maybe they could make it vaccine or recent test, but the test has to be at an official facility, not just a home bodge job.

Ive only ever done home tests, which were generally for peace of mind so no real incentive to try and cheat... How well monitored are the tests at official facilities?

Pross

DeVlaeminck said:

If you remember my mate who works in care homes and is a vaccine refuser. He still hasn't been jabbed and unless he gets his first one pretty soon he will be out of a job.

Think he said 8 out of just over 100 staff (they own more than one home) are refusing. If that's typical the numbers aren't huge but it's on top of a growing shortage of care workers. He is on minimum wage so not surprising.

My wife's having to cover the shifts of one of her care staff who has tested positive after refusing the vaccine. I asked why they don't just make it a condition of employment and she said they can for new staff but can't get ride of anyone who was already working there. I think she said 4 of their staff aren't vaccinated and I think they employ around 30. It's a bit of an issue in the one house they run as one of the people being looked after has had a transplant and is highly vulnerable.

pblakeney

Compulsory vaccinations for NHS is on it's way.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58496967

elbowloh

pangolin said:

I don't think I've seen anyone, at any point, getting asked to put a mask on by someone in authority (police, security, shop owner, whatever)

The verbal assaults were happening pretty much daily. The physical attacks maybe once a week or every two and reported to the police, that was across 7 stations.

pangolin

elbowloh said:

pangolin said:

I don't think I've seen anyone, at any point, getting asked to put a mask on by someone in authority (police, security, shop owner, whatever)

The verbal assaults were happening pretty much daily. The physical attacks maybe once a week or every two and reported to the police, that was across 7 stations.

Wow. Mask wearing has fallen off a cliff here, including on public transport despite it still being 'required' there. Drivers don't seem to care and I can't say I blame them.

It's still around 50% in shops though oddly.

rjsterry

pblakeney said:

pangolin said:

I don't think I've seen anyone, at any point, getting asked to put a mask on by someone in authority (police, security, shop owner, whatever)

I've seen one (small) shop owner refuse entry.
There was no argument but I doubt she would have served him if he persisted.

Our local hardware shop takes a very hard line. Sign at the door saying you won't be served without a mask and I've seen them turn people away who try it on. Quite refreshing. The tube announcements seem to make more of the possible exemptions than the need to actually wear the thing.