The big Coronavirus thread
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Can't it be a novel poster rather than just a variant?0
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Aquarius, the water carrier?0
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If only he'd thought of that. 😉kingstongraham said:Aquarius, the water carrier?
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Was ist ein COLP?0
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Currently laughing at international footballists that assumed they were due special treatment to circumvent quarantine.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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It's not Moriarty levels of deception to arrive in Brazil from Venezuela claiming you haven't been in the UK in the past 14 days... when you played against Brentford a week ago.pblakeney said:Currently laughing at international footballists that assumed they were due special treatment to circumvent quarantine.
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The Telegraph reports:
I'm waiting for their scoop about how health and safety regulation is being enforced for people who haven't killed themselves or anyone else in an accident yet.
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Bit of anecdotal evidence to report. Youngest daughter and one of her mates who had Covid a month or so ago are still not completely right.
I mean nothing major - they are still capable of going out til 4am on a Friday night but daughter has had repeated sore throats (voice actually sounds a bit rough) and is more easy fatigued- to the extent she's been taking naps some days.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
Completely untrue, but when has that been an issue for the 'graph?briantrumpet said:The Telegraph reports:
I'm waiting for their scoop about how health and safety regulation is being enforced for people who haven't killed themselves or anyone else in an accident yet.
Slightly concerned by this bit in the info sent round from youngest's school.Self Isolation: Pupils in primary school do not have to self isolate unless they develop symptoms/test positive for Covid-19. If someone in their household, or a close contact, tests positive for Covid-19 pupils do not have to self isolate. They are expected to attend school as normal and undertake a PCR test.
Seems to be standard policy from other reports.
Is that not just a recipe for outbreaks?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.0
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Whilst the JCVI have not recommended vaccination for 12-15 year olds on medical grounds, I read that Whitty is asking relevant experts to provide their perspectives on the wider benefits for schoolchildren (avoiding missing school for one). Would expect the green light to be given soon.
I have 15 and 12 year old sons. My wife and I are happy for them to be vaccinated at the earliest opportunity.2 -
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It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
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It is a political choice and that why we pay them. If it was a health choice you would still be cooped up in your house till cases were at pretty much zero. Sisters kid was off school with covid the other week. Is it better that he does 10 days of isolation or all thirty kids do it for every case. Hence the political choice.rjsterry said:john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
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At my daughter first school we were told that if our child was ill we should "top them up with calpol and send them in". They were more interested in meeting ofsted attendance ratings than child welfare; we moved her at the earliest opportunity.rjsterry said:john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
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There's a huge jump from "still being cooped up in your house" to allowing kids to attend school when they live in a house with a positive case. You're right that it's a political choice and for the last 18 months those have been inconsistent and poorly thought out, seeminly made up on the spot to satisfy whoever is shouting loudest at any given time.john80 said:
It is a political choice and that why we pay them. If it was a health choice you would still be cooped up in your house till cases were at pretty much zero. Sisters kid was off school with covid the other week. Is it better that he does 10 days of isolation or all thirty kids do it for every case. Hence the political choice.rjsterry said:john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-hospital-moves-red-alert-24927712
Aneurin Bevan Health Board. In Wales has already gone up to its highest alert level because of the numbers of patients in the I.C.U. With Covid
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Surprised with that as it's my local health board and I'm not aware of there being much of an issue around here at the moment. Also surprising they are showing a photo of the Royal Gwent as the hospital as I'm pretty sure severe cases are treated at the brand new Grange Hospital now.Ncovidius said:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-hospital-moves-red-alert-24927712
Aneurin Bevan Health Board. In Wales has already gone up to its highest alert level because of the numbers of patients in the I.C.U. With Covid
The report originates from Wales Online though, not renowned for accurate reporting.0 -
You seem determined to misunderstand me. This is exactly my point. Yes it is better for one child to miss a few days than for it to work through the class and 15 or 20 miss ten days.john80 said:
It is a political choice and that why we pay them. If it was a health choice you would still be cooped up in your house till cases were at pretty much zero. Sisters kid was off school with covid the other week. Is it better that he does 10 days of isolation or all thirty kids do it for every case. Hence the political choice.rjsterry said:john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
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Exact opposite at ours. Slightest temp and home they were sent.darkhairedlord said:
At my daughter first school we were told that if our child was ill we should "top them up with calpol and send them in". They were more interested in meeting ofsted attendance ratings than child welfare; we moved her at the earliest opportunity.rjsterry said:john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
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You don't have a solution. One kid gets sent home on Friday for a positive lateral flow test following symptoms. It takes till Monday for the second kid to get symptoms and then a positive lateral flow at which point he is in school. This was the situation with my sister's kid. In the old system the whole class would have been off. Now they try to minimise the time but there is that period where they are passing it between them without significant symptoms or a positive lft. So it will work through the class to some degree albeit reduced with testing. Essentially we are reverting back to it being an individual problem and not a group problem.rjsterry said:
You seem determined to misunderstand me. This is exactly my point. Yes it is better for one child to miss a few days than for it to work through the class and 15 or 20 miss ten days.john80 said:
It is a political choice and that why we pay them. If it was a health choice you would still be cooped up in your house till cases were at pretty much zero. Sisters kid was off school with covid the other week. Is it better that he does 10 days of isolation or all thirty kids do it for every case. Hence the political choice.rjsterry said:john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
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I think it's designed to keep them in school even if they have it. Even if the whole class were positive, how many would be symptomatic enough to get a proper test and find out?rjsterry said:
You seem determined to misunderstand me. This is exactly my point. Yes it is better for one child to miss a few days than for it to work through the class and 15 or 20 miss ten days.john80 said:
It is a political choice and that why we pay them. If it was a health choice you would still be cooped up in your house till cases were at pretty much zero. Sisters kid was off school with covid the other week. Is it better that he does 10 days of isolation or all thirty kids do it for every case. Hence the political choice.rjsterry said:john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
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You seem to be rambling now. The initial issue as I remember was that a child in a house with a confirmed positive Covid case is allowed to attend school. The answer is simple, the child stays home for 10 days.john80 said:
You don't have a solution. One kid gets sent home on Friday for a positive lateral flow test following symptoms. It takes till Monday for the second kid to get symptoms and then a positive lateral flow at which point he is in school. This was the situation with my sister's kid. In the old system the whole class would have been off. Now they try to minimise the time but there is that period where they are passing it between them without significant symptoms or a positive lft. So it will work through the class to some degree albeit reduced with testing. Essentially we are reverting back to it being an individual problem and not a group problem.rjsterry said:
You seem determined to misunderstand me. This is exactly my point. Yes it is better for one child to miss a few days than for it to work through the class and 15 or 20 miss ten days.john80 said:
It is a political choice and that why we pay them. If it was a health choice you would still be cooped up in your house till cases were at pretty much zero. Sisters kid was off school with covid the other week. Is it better that he does 10 days of isolation or all thirty kids do it for every case. Hence the political choice.rjsterry said:john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
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Having said that it looks like I won't be seeing my wife for a few days as she's having to cover a load of shifts due to staff catching Covid. Fortunately, working in care, pre-vaccine they got away with very few positive cases among staff and none among their service users.Pross said:
Surprised with that as it's my local health board and I'm not aware of there being much of an issue around here at the moment. Also surprising they are showing a photo of the Royal Gwent as the hospital as I'm pretty sure severe cases are treated at the brand new Grange Hospital now.Ncovidius said:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-hospital-moves-red-alert-24927712
Aneurin Bevan Health Board. In Wales has already gone up to its highest alert level because of the numbers of patients in the I.C.U. With Covid
The report originates from Wales Online though, not renowned for accurate reporting.0 -
Likewise, my wife has just been called in to work the weekend to cover those off.Pross said:
Having said that it looks like I won't be seeing my wife for a few days as she's having to cover a load of shifts due to staff catching Covid. Fortunately, working in care, pre-vaccine they got away with very few positive cases among staff and none among their service users.Pross said:
Surprised with that as it's my local health board and I'm not aware of there being much of an issue around here at the moment. Also surprising they are showing a photo of the Royal Gwent as the hospital as I'm pretty sure severe cases are treated at the brand new Grange Hospital now.Ncovidius said:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-hospital-moves-red-alert-24927712
Aneurin Bevan Health Board. In Wales has already gone up to its highest alert level because of the numbers of patients in the I.C.U. With Covid
The report originates from Wales Online though, not renowned for accurate reporting.
We still have a bit of uphill to go before seeing the sunny horizon.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Eh? I'm just saying that if you are sat at home running a fever and unable to taste anything, and have tested positive on a PCR test, effectively demanding that you take your asymptomatic primary age child to school (and spread it to all the other parents) is a stupid idea. It's completely at odds with all other health advice for school children.john80 said:
You don't have a solution. One kid gets sent home on Friday for a positive lateral flow test following symptoms. It takes till Monday for the second kid to get symptoms and then a positive lateral flow at which point he is in school. This was the situation with my sister's kid. In the old system the whole class would have been off. Now they try to minimise the time but there is that period where they are passing it between them without significant symptoms or a positive lft. So it will work through the class to some degree albeit reduced with testing. Essentially we are reverting back to it being an individual problem and not a group problem.rjsterry said:
You seem determined to misunderstand me. This is exactly my point. Yes it is better for one child to miss a few days than for it to work through the class and 15 or 20 miss ten days.john80 said:
It is a political choice and that why we pay them. If it was a health choice you would still be cooped up in your house till cases were at pretty much zero. Sisters kid was off school with covid the other week. Is it better that he does 10 days of isolation or all thirty kids do it for every case. Hence the political choice.rjsterry said:john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
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You know how the horizon is always over there, however much you walk towards it.pblakeney said:
Likewise, my wife has just been called in to work the weekend to cover those off.Pross said:
Having said that it looks like I won't be seeing my wife for a few days as she's having to cover a load of shifts due to staff catching Covid. Fortunately, working in care, pre-vaccine they got away with very few positive cases among staff and none among their service users.Pross said:
Surprised with that as it's my local health board and I'm not aware of there being much of an issue around here at the moment. Also surprising they are showing a photo of the Royal Gwent as the hospital as I'm pretty sure severe cases are treated at the brand new Grange Hospital now.Ncovidius said:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-hospital-moves-red-alert-24927712
Aneurin Bevan Health Board. In Wales has already gone up to its highest alert level because of the numbers of patients in the I.C.U. With Covid
The report originates from Wales Online though, not renowned for accurate reporting.
We still have a bit of uphill to go before seeing the sunny horizon.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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The policy does seem to be: PCR tests on small children are difficult so let's just pretend they can't catch it.pangolin said:
I think it's designed to keep them in school even if they have it. Even if the whole class were positive, how many would be symptomatic enough to get a proper test and find out?rjsterry said:
You seem determined to misunderstand me. This is exactly my point. Yes it is better for one child to miss a few days than for it to work through the class and 15 or 20 miss ten days.john80 said:
It is a political choice and that why we pay them. If it was a health choice you would still be cooped up in your house till cases were at pretty much zero. Sisters kid was off school with covid the other week. Is it better that he does 10 days of isolation or all thirty kids do it for every case. Hence the political choice.rjsterry said:john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
Not sure how it's the same as not vaccinating. I get the lost school time, but if a whole year group or more end up off with it (or several staff), that's far more time lost than one child isolating for a few days. Given that pre-covid, primary schools sent children home with even a slight temperature, it feels like more of a political choice.john80 said:It is the same argument used for not vaccinating kids. The missed school time out weighs the transmission consequences hence the policy.
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Yeahbut it helps if you make it to the top of the hill and can see the sunny valley below instead of just the storm clouds above the hill.rjsterry said:
You know how the horizon is always over there, however much you walk towards it.pblakeney said:
Likewise, my wife has just been called in to work the weekend to cover those off.Pross said:
Having said that it looks like I won't be seeing my wife for a few days as she's having to cover a load of shifts due to staff catching Covid. Fortunately, working in care, pre-vaccine they got away with very few positive cases among staff and none among their service users.Pross said:
Surprised with that as it's my local health board and I'm not aware of there being much of an issue around here at the moment. Also surprising they are showing a photo of the Royal Gwent as the hospital as I'm pretty sure severe cases are treated at the brand new Grange Hospital now.Ncovidius said:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-hospital-moves-red-alert-24927712
Aneurin Bevan Health Board. In Wales has already gone up to its highest alert level because of the numbers of patients in the I.C.U. With Covid
The report originates from Wales Online though, not renowned for accurate reporting.
We still have a bit of uphill to go before seeing the sunny horizon.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0
