The big Coronavirus thread
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It worked spectacularly well in France and I talk to people around the world who need it to go virtually anywhere, including malls.pblakeney said:
I read it as an incentive for the hesitant to get the vaccine.Jezyboy said:
It does seem slightly pointless, given that vaccinated people can still catch and pass on (although with reduced liklihoods), the key benefit to being vaccinated seems to be that the individual will not get as ill.First.Aspect said:
I thought they'd already been announced.Jezyboy said:Sturgeon brings in covid vaccine passports. Much to the disgust of (Scottish) Tory MPs. Although seemingly they aren't that far away in England
To which if I recall the SNP were critical, because they were so much after reopening.
Well whatdya know.
Given the tremendous rates that the vaccine program achieved, bringing in a passport just feels needlessly authoritarian.
But that in itself will start debates.0 -
Tbh, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that there's been such a bad job of registering who has received vaccines that it can't get pushed through.0
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Remarkable how much admin is involved in travelling.
It must be easier to travel to some other countries but it is very involved to get everything sorted out to be able to travel and go back. Would certainly not be doing it if I had a choice in the matter.0 -
Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.0 -
And it’s not just the admin. I was required to take a flight to ‘Merca today. I am all tested and vacc’d up, only for the flight to be pulled, whilst in the departure lounge, at stupid o’clock, this morning, because of flight crew shortages. Still, not my 3ffin’ problem, I get a free day out in that London today then.rick_chasey said:Remarkable how much admin is involved in travelling.
It must be easier to travel to some other countries but it is very involved to get everything sorted out to be able to travel and go back. Would certainly not be doing it if I had a choice in the matter.
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surrey_commuter said:
It worked spectacularly well in France and I talk to people around the world who need it to go virtually anywhere, including malls.pblakeney said:
I read it as an incentive for the hesitant to get the vaccine.Jezyboy said:
It does seem slightly pointless, given that vaccinated people can still catch and pass on (although with reduced liklihoods), the key benefit to being vaccinated seems to be that the individual will not get as ill.First.Aspect said:
I thought they'd already been announced.Jezyboy said:Sturgeon brings in covid vaccine passports. Much to the disgust of (Scottish) Tory MPs. Although seemingly they aren't that far away in England
To which if I recall the SNP were critical, because they were so much after reopening.
Well whatdya know.
Given the tremendous rates that the vaccine program achieved, bringing in a passport just feels needlessly authoritarian.
But that in itself will start debates.
Yes, indeed. The French check-in app works well, and the proprietors don't seem to be dodging using it. Despite the protests, I think it'll just (sadly) become normal until there's a game-changer in reducing transmission. Masks are still compulsory in shops too. It feels much more blasé in the UK... just been into Exeter, and very few masks around, but lots of people.0 -
Looking at what I need to travel to Italy (due to have our break to Venice next month that was postponed from last summer) and I don't fully understand what I need to be honest. I know we need to do a test before flying both ways but it's the paperwork I don't get. My reading is that the NHS app is insufficient and I need to use that to generate some Italian paperwork.
I'm all in favour of a vaccine passport to attend events, it's not compelling anyone to be vaccinated but just making the point that choices have consequences so if you choose not to be vaccinated that's fine but you won't be able to do everything you could previously. Take ownership of your choices.0 -
I assume that's just because you haven't had your second dose yet?rick_chasey said:Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.0 -
rick_chasey said:
Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.
No.Pross said:
I assume that's just because you haven't had your second dose yet?
Everybody has to have a 2 day pcr test and here in Wales we still have to pay the full £68.
However, the bit of Rick's quote I have highlighted only applies to those who haven't had their second jab.
He's right.
I've done it twice and it is a bit of a faff, especially the return to the UK stuff.
Although, it is obviously easier the second time around.
(I'll begin doing it for a third time, next week)
However, once I get where I am going, things are much, much safer than here in the UK, as there are rules still in place.
"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Pross said:
Looking at what I need to travel to Italy (due to have our break to Venice next month that was postponed from last summer) and I don't fully understand what I need to be honest. I know we need to do a test before flying both ways but it's the paperwork I don't get. My reading is that the NHS app is insufficient and I need to use that to generate some Italian paperwork.
I'm all in favour of a vaccine passport to attend events, it's not compelling anyone to be vaccinated but just making the point that choices have consequences so if you choose not to be vaccinated that's fine but you won't be able to do everything you could previously. Take ownership of your choices.
Although there are extra links to check on here, it does say that the UK vaccine certificate is enough to prove your status. https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/italy/entry-requirements#entry-rules-in-response-to-coronavirus-covid-190 -
rick_chasey said:
Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.
My wife was due to go through that next weekend, but it has now been delayed to early Oct.0 -
Pross said:
I assume that's just because you haven't had your second dose yet?rick_chasey said:Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.
No, my wife who is double jabbed needs to do it too.0 -
blazing_saddles said:rick_chasey said:
Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.
No.Pross said:
I assume that's just because you haven't had your second dose yet?
Everybody has to have a 2 day pcr test and here in Wales we still have to pay the full £68.
However, the bit of Rick's quote I have highlighted only applies to those who haven't had their second jab.
He's right.
I've done it twice and it is a bit of a faff, especially the return to the UK stuff.
Although, it is obviously easier the second time around.
(I'll begin doing it for a third time, next week)
However, once I get where I am going, things are much, much safer than here in the UK, as there are rules still in place.
No - if you are flying to Holland you need the proof of negative test on the way out, irrespective of if you have been single or double jabbed.0 -
kingstonian said:rick_chasey said:
Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.
My wife was due to go through that next weekend, but it has now been delayed to early Oct.
Timing the tests is crucial, and reliability of speed of return of results. I used Zavamed for the UK tests, and a local lab in France for the pre-return test. Total cost about £170.1 -
Not at all monitored at the drive through centre I went to in Reigate. They posted the kit through the car window and then went to deal with other people arriving. When I was done I put on my hazards and they came and collected it.Jezyboy said:kingstongraham said:
Ive only ever done home tests, which were generally for peace of mind so no real incentive to try and cheat... How well monitored are the tests at official facilities?0 -
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I hadn't realised this discussion was in regard of Holland.kingstonian said:blazing_saddles said:rick_chasey said:Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.
No.Pross said:
I assume that's just because you haven't had your second dose yet?
Everybody has to have a 2 day pcr test and here in Wales we still have to pay the full £68.
However, the bit of Rick's quote I have highlighted only applies to those who haven't had their second jab.
He's right.
I've done it twice and it is a bit of a faff, especially the return to the UK stuff.
Although, it is obviously easier the second time around.
(I'll begin doing it for a third time, next week)
However, once I get where I am going, things are much, much safer than here in the UK, as there are rules still in place.
No - if you are flying to Holland you need the proof of negative test on the way out, irrespective of if you have been single or double jabbed.
I gave a general response as the majority of Europe doesn't require a pcr test if double jabbed.
I think in Pross's case (Italy) he may be able to have a rapid flow, rather than a pcr test.
Then the Italian location form."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Yep, I can use (certain) LFTs. I can get those for around £25-30. I hadn't realised the 2 day PCR test on return was still needed though, I thought that was done away with if double jabbed when they said you no longer had to isolate when returning from amber list countries so that's a pain.blazing_saddles said:
I hadn't realised this discussion was in regard of Holland.kingstonian said:blazing_saddles said:rick_chasey said:Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.
No.Pross said:
I assume that's just because you haven't had your second dose yet?
Everybody has to have a 2 day pcr test and here in Wales we still have to pay the full £68.
However, the bit of Rick's quote I have highlighted only applies to those who haven't had their second jab.
He's right.
I've done it twice and it is a bit of a faff, especially the return to the UK stuff.
Although, it is obviously easier the second time around.
(I'll begin doing it for a third time, next week)
However, once I get where I am going, things are much, much safer than here in the UK, as there are rules still in place.
No - if you are flying to Holland you need the proof of negative test on the way out, irrespective of if you have been single or double jabbed.
I gave a general response as the majority of Europe doesn't require a pcr test if double jabbed.
I think in Pross's case (Italy) he may be able to have a rapid flow, rather than a pcr test.
Then the Italian location form.0 -
That is still the same for all green/amber countries as it's a UK requirement.Pross said:
Yep, I can use (certain) LFTs. I can get those for around £25-30. I hadn't realised the 2 day PCR test on return was still needed though, I thought that was done away with if double jabbed when they said you no longer had to isolate when returning from amber list countries so that's a pain.blazing_saddles said:
I hadn't realised this discussion was in regard of Holland.kingstonian said:blazing_saddles said:rick_chasey said:Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.
No.Pross said:
I assume that's just because you haven't had your second dose yet?
Everybody has to have a 2 day pcr test and here in Wales we still have to pay the full £68.
However, the bit of Rick's quote I have highlighted only applies to those who haven't had their second jab.
He's right.
I've done it twice and it is a bit of a faff, especially the return to the UK stuff.
Although, it is obviously easier the second time around.
(I'll begin doing it for a third time, next week)
However, once I get where I am going, things are much, much safer than here in the UK, as there are rules still in place.
No - if you are flying to Holland you need the proof of negative test on the way out, irrespective of if you have been single or double jabbed.
I gave a general response as the majority of Europe doesn't require a pcr test if double jabbed.
I think in Pross's case (Italy) he may be able to have a rapid flow, rather than a pcr test.
Then the Italian location form.
It's certainly been more of a pain for we Welsh, due to us having a sole purchasing option for the 2-day pcr: ctm at £68 a pop, although it finally looks as a cheaper, independent test should suffice.
Ctm test ordering is total a shambles, although luckily, my two actual tests both went smoothly.
Should be able to get away with a £20 bill for both my rapid flow and pcr test, this time."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I can't find the post, (suspect it was one of Dr. Trumpet's) though, but can anyone expand on the Covid passport experience in France (or elsewhere)?0
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First.Aspect said:
I can't find the post, (suspect it was one of Dr. Trumpet's) though, but can anyone expand on the Covid passport experience in France (or elsewhere)?
Easy peasy - all you need is the QR code from the international travel bit of your vaccination status on the NHS app (not the coronavirus app). I just did a screen cap of the QR code, to save the faff of logging into the NHS app every time.0 -
Get it tattooed on the back of your hand.briantrumpet said:First.Aspect said:I can't find the post, (suspect it was one of Dr. Trumpet's) though, but can anyone expand on the Covid passport experience in France (or elsewhere)?
Easy peasy - all you need is the QR code from the international travel bit of your vaccination status on the NHS app (not the coronavirus app). I just did a screen cap of the QR code, to save the faff of logging into the NHS app every time.0 -
No I meant what has it done to vaccination uptake.0
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First.Aspect said:
No I meant what has it done to vaccination uptake.
Ah, sorry. When Macron announced it, three million signed up for vaccinations that weekend. My general impression is that there's still scepticism and resistance (what's new?), but it's driven up uptake, as Biden's moves to back businesses mandating vaccination is doing in the US, belatedly.0 -
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Pross said:
Yep, I can use (certain) LFTs. I can get those for around £25-30. I hadn't realised the 2 day PCR test on return was still needed though, I thought that was done away with if double jabbed when they said you no longer had to isolate when returning from amber list countries so that's a pain.blazing_saddles said:
I hadn't realised this discussion was in regard of Holland.kingstonian said:blazing_saddles said:rick_chasey said:Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.
No.Pross said:
I assume that's just because you haven't had your second dose yet?
Everybody has to have a 2 day pcr test and here in Wales we still have to pay the full £68.
However, the bit of Rick's quote I have highlighted only applies to those who haven't had their second jab.
He's right.
I've done it twice and it is a bit of a faff, especially the return to the UK stuff.
Although, it is obviously easier the second time around.
(I'll begin doing it for a third time, next week)
However, once I get where I am going, things are much, much safer than here in the UK, as there are rules still in place.
No - if you are flying to Holland you need the proof of negative test on the way out, irrespective of if you have been single or double jabbed.
I gave a general response as the majority of Europe doesn't require a pcr test if double jabbed.
I think in Pross's case (Italy) he may be able to have a rapid flow, rather than a pcr test.
Then the Italian location form.
Finally, some good news on cost:Pross said:
Yep, I can use (certain) LFTs. I can get those for around £25-30. I hadn't realised the 2 day PCR test on return was still needed though, I thought that was done away with if double jabbed when they said you no longer had to isolate when returning from amber list countries so that's a pain.blazing_saddles said:
I hadn't realised this discussion was in regard of Holland.kingstonian said:blazing_saddles said:rick_chasey said:Proof of negative test on the way out within a short time, proof of negative test on the way back, proof of day 2 pcr test once you're back in the UK, proof of exemption for quarantine at destination, proof of double vaccination
What a faff.
No.Pross said:
I assume that's just because you haven't had your second dose yet?
Everybody has to have a 2 day pcr test and here in Wales we still have to pay the full £68.
However, the bit of Rick's quote I have highlighted only applies to those who haven't had their second jab.
He's right.
I've done it twice and it is a bit of a faff, especially the return to the UK stuff.
Although, it is obviously easier the second time around.
(I'll begin doing it for a third time, next week)
However, once I get where I am going, things are much, much safer than here in the UK, as there are rules still in place.
No - if you are flying to Holland you need the proof of negative test on the way out, irrespective of if you have been single or double jabbed.
I gave a general response as the majority of Europe doesn't require a pcr test if double jabbed.
I think in Pross's case (Italy) he may be able to have a rapid flow, rather than a pcr test.
Then the Italian location form.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58532433"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
rjsterry said:
Our local hardware shop takes a very hard line. Sign at the door saying you won't be served without a mask and I've seen them turn people away who try it on. Quite refreshing. The tube announcements seem to make more of the possible exemptions than the need to actually wear the thing.pblakeney said:
I've seen one (small) shop owner refuse entry.pangolin said:I don't think I've seen anyone, at any point, getting asked to put a mask on by someone in authority (police, security, shop owner, whatever)
There was no argument but I doubt she would have served him if he persisted.
I'm jealous that you still have a local hardware shop!
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Apparently the Government are planning rescinding some of their special powers brought in to handle the pandemic. This surprised me as I read somewhere that they would never relinquish any of these powers and that it was another step towards the UK becoming a police state.1
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You could argue that it was necessary for those arguments to be made in order for the government to relinquish the powers.Pross said:Apparently the Government are planning rescinding some of their special powers brought in to handle the pandemic. This surprised me as I read somewhere that they would never relinquish any of these powers and that it was another step towards the UK becoming a police state.
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Thankfully somebody was holding their feet to the fire- Genesis Croix de Fer
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