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I really wish political interviewers generally would stick to the line of questioning of
"what is your vision for the future of the UK over the next 5-10 years and how and with what policies are you going to achieve that vision"?
Like, force their hand a bit. You'll still get waffle but eventually you'll get a sense of the direction at least.
Do we actually know what either Starmer or BoJo actually want to do with the UK to get it to where they think it should be?
At least with Blair & Thatcher we had a really clear idea. Fine if you want to disagree with it but at least there's proper leadership - that is what most of leadership is about. Anyone can potter around aimlessly when in charge and be busy with the day-to-day. Having a vision and a strategy on how to get there and motivating people around you to achieve that - that is leadership.
If you have that, it's also easier to have good-faith arguments. "Is this vision really right?" or "is what is planned to get to the vision going to work and at what cost"? etc.0 -
I really can not see any circumstances in which Boris would resign.Stevo_666 said:
The man who would be PM breaking them is no less significant.rick_chasey said:
You think the leader abandoning his own rules he has set for the country is not important?Stevo_666 said:Or maybe as stated, there are more important things to get on with?
Feel free to speculate further.
I pity your juniors.
If Starmer really wanted a decent chance of removing Boris, he'd resign and then Boris would be under renewed pressure to do so. Taking one for the leftie team, so to say. However I suspect he won't, so the leftie hypcrite tag can stay in that case.
He got fired from two jobs when it seem unfeasible that he was not given the option to stop lying and resign.1 -
Well he's said he'll go if he's found to have broken the rulez.
Backed himself into a corner.
(FWIW, for those who were upset when MPs got banged for calling Johnson a "liar", this is basically why those rules exist - same logic).
Wonder when the Gray report will come out.
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Be classic Labour if Johnson repeatedly breaking lockdown rules ends up with them disintegrating.0
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Can't change the past but it kept the lefties out so not all bad...Pross said:
Is it worse than May being held over a barrel by the DUP to hold on to power?Stevo_666 said:
You want Wee Jimmy Krankie having a say in running anything outside of Scotland? Seriously?ddraver said:
True enough...briantrumpet said:ddraver said:I've always thought that Labour would need to change leaders before they win an election anyway. Starmer is just too...nice. He's done a commendable job "de-corbynising" the party and getting back on a sensible, if dull, track but it's time for a winner to take over now.
He's the Stuart Lancaster to their Eddie Jones. Honorable and solid, good at installing a culture and getting players heads in the right place but not enough of a baller to win big games.
Quite - he doesn't inspire, though I could put up with him as PM, if he got lucky. He could be a bit of a John Major. Dunno if he tucks his shirt into his underpants.
I could maybe handle a Star-geon coalition though. Whatever else, she's got some statescraft..."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Also a great opportunity for the hard left to take back control of 'their party' if Starmer goes. Step forward Diane Abbott, your time has come
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Fairly sure if Johnson had done what Starmer did there would be a lot noise. People were outraged he rode a bike in Stratford.kingstongraham said:I wonder how many working meals johnson had? In addition to all the parties.
Also, if it turns out these were rules that not even Mr Self Isolate could work out he was breaking- that doesn't make them great.0 -
Thered be a lot of noise if Boris Johnson breathes.
Anyhow, Starmer really has boxed himself into a corner with this one. Good example of self righteous leftiebollox backfiring."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Must admit I do like a bottle of ice-cold COBRA EXTRA SMOOTH PREMIUM LAGER BEER with my chicken jhal frezi. Where is the harm in that?
This far worse:
"A Tory Police and Crime Commissioner who pledged to crack down on speeding has been caught breaking a 30mph limit five times within a 12-week period.
The PCC for Nottinghamshire Police, Caroline Henry, admitted the offences, including two committed on consecutive days, at a previous hearing in February at Nottingham Magistrates’ Court.
Magistrates were told Henry, who is the wife of Broxtowe MP Darren Henry, had written a letter to the court saying she was “very sorry, embarrassed and ashamed”.
Her defence solicitor Noel Philo said the letter was written on “advice I did not give”."
Like the government of the day, she is clearly thick as pigs hit.
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Pretty sure they weren't on here, I recall people realising that security can be a bit of an issue and cycling the streets of Westminster might have proved risky.TheBigBean said:
Fairly sure if Johnson had done what Starmer did there would be a lot noise. People were outraged he rode a bike in Stratford.kingstongraham said:I wonder how many working meals johnson had? In addition to all the parties.
Also, if it turns out these were rules that not even Mr Self Isolate could work out he was breaking- that doesn't make them great.0 -
I suspect they've got some ideas that nothing will come of it.rick_chasey said:Well he's said he'll go if he's found to have broken the rulez.
Backed himself into a corner.
However, the biggest issue I have with this, as a non-labour-voter-they-need-to-convince is that it's 4 or 5 days too late and so has lost a lot of it's sting. WE came up with this FFS.We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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The simple logical solution often evades those searching for a cunning plan.ddraver said:
However, the biggest issue I have with this, as a non-labour-voter-they-need-to-convince is that it's 4 or 5 days too late and so has lost a lot of it's sting. WE came up with this FFS.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Just imagine we could have Diane Abbott v Priti "let's crack down on counter terrorism" Patel. A true battle for the ages.Stevo_666 said:Also a great opportunity for the hard left to take back control of 'their party' if Starmer goes. Step forward Diane Abbott, your time has come
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Why would someone resign if they haven't done anything wrong? Surely, a penalty fine would be a miscarriage of justice in that case etc.0
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BoJo did thoughTheBigBean said:Why would someone resign if they haven't done anything wrong? Surely, a penalty fine would be a miscarriage of justice in that case etc.
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TheBigBean said:
Why would someone resign if they haven't done anything wrong? Surely, a penalty fine would be a miscarriage of justice in that case etc.
Ever heard of honour? Lord Carrington, for instance??0 -
Also on the subject of Angela Rayner. I too have learnt some new words.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/angela-rayner-made-a-fool-of-me0 -
He didn't resign, so I don't see the relevance.rick_chasey said:
BoJo did thoughTheBigBean said:Why would someone resign if they haven't done anything wrong? Surely, a penalty fine would be a miscarriage of justice in that case etc.
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Nah, if I'm ever falsely accused of a crime I'm going to defend myself - although at £30 for a penalty notice I can see the temptation to abandon principles.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Why would someone resign if they haven't done anything wrong? Surely, a penalty fine would be a miscarriage of justice in that case etc.
Ever heard of honour? Lord Carrington, for instance??0 -
BJ did do wrong and was fined accordingly.TheBigBean said:
He didn't resign, so I don't see the relevance.rick_chasey said:
BoJo did thoughTheBigBean said:Why would someone resign if they haven't done anything wrong? Surely, a penalty fine would be a miscarriage of justice in that case etc.
We all know he lacks honour, integrity etc, etc...The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
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ddraver said:
Poor Dan Hodges...
He's still digging. I don't think he's realised that he won't get to the high ground from the hole he's in.0 -
You appear to be replying to a different post to mine. I'm making a different point. Very odd.rick_chasey said:
I don’t understand this argument.Stevo_666 said:Thered be a lot of noise if Boris Johnson breathes.
Anyhow, Starmer really has boxed himself into a corner with this one. Good example of self righteous leftiebollox backfiring.
Why is it acceptable for the PM to not abide by the laws of the land?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I knew that one. I'd also heard she had talked about using 'Basic instinct' tactics.TheBigBean said:Also on the subject of Angela Rayner. I too have learnt some new words.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/angela-rayner-made-a-fool-of-me"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Maybe Stevo's alter ego is Owen Jones, who's still fighting for the purist Corbyn clan of unelectable socialists, and denigrating Starmer, so Johnson can carry on when non-pure Labour lose the next election....
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I probably should be offended by that comparison. However I don’t think that I'm the closest thing to Owen Jones this forum has to offerbriantrumpet said:Maybe Stevo's alter ego is Owen Jones, who's still fighting for the purist Corbyn clan of unelectable socialists, and denigrating Starmer, so Johnson can carry on when non-pure Labour lose the next election....
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-celebrated-beer-indoors-26838978TheBigBean said:
Fairly sure if Johnson had done what Starmer did there would be a lot noise. People were outraged he rode a bike in Stratford.kingstongraham said:I wonder how many working meals johnson had? In addition to all the parties.
Also, if it turns out these were rules that not even Mr Self Isolate could work out he was breaking- that doesn't make them great.
I'm sure he did, it's just it's not equivalent to what we already know happened in Downing Street.0
