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True enough...briantrumpet said:ddraver said:I've always thought that Labour would need to change leaders before they win an election anyway. Starmer is just too...nice. He's done a commendable job "de-corbynising" the party and getting back on a sensible, if dull, track but it's time for a winner to take over now.
He's the Stuart Lancaster to their Eddie Jones. Honorable and solid, good at installing a culture and getting players heads in the right place but not enough of a baller to win big games.
Quite - he doesn't inspire, though I could put up with him as PM, if he got lucky. He could be a bit of a John Major. Dunno if he tucks his shirt into his underpants.
I could maybe handle a Star-geon coalition though. Whatever else, she's got some statescraft...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Given Durham is in County Durham. I wonder why a Yorkshire and Humber programme from Hull would be inviting people for the visit.TheBigBean said:Preplanned dinner before going back to hotel
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It sounds more like the one that there was a picture of at Downing Street that there were no fines for.0
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Sounds like some turned up just for curry and drinks which they couldn't do in a restaurant because they were all closed for some reason.
Does make me wonder just how many of these events happened. This is only known about because two students bothered to film it.
Worth noting that guidance (not law) was clear at the time with regard to political campaigning - don't meet indoors.
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TheBigBean said:
Sounds like some turned up just for curry and drinks which they couldn't do in a restaurant because they were all closed for some reason.
Does make me wonder just how many of these events happened. This is only known about because two students bothered to film it.
Worth noting that guidance (not law) was clear at the time with regard to political campaigning - don't meet indoors.
I certainly wouldn't have been meeting indoors at that time. But let's see if Durham plod conclude if any laws were broken.0 -
If he gets fined he should go. He's not all that to Labour anyway, and they'll lose a lot of votes to "they're all the same", irrespective of the moral argument. (not least as Labour do not have a compelling argument beyond "I'm not that c*nt") I would contend that this isn't quite the same level as a suitcase of booze, but rulez are rulez, right?
Anyway, on a more positive note for a bike forum, it seems that local candidates who ran on anti Low-Traffic-Network policies did badly across the board.
That feels like a real win.
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rick_chasey said:
Anyway, on a more positive note for a bike forum, it seems that local candidates who ran on anti Low-Traffic-Network policies did badly across the board.
That feels like a real win.
That's not the story the Telegraph are flogging in their anti-LTN crusade.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/07/backlash-ltns-gives-tories-solace-london/Tory councillors who bucked the trend in London’s council elections exploited unpopular policies, including controversial low-traffic neighbourhoods (LTNs), to secure support from traditional Labour voters.
Many working-class and ethnic minority voters turned to Conservative candidates in Harrow and Enfield as part of the backlash against the unpopular road closure schemes.
For the first time since 2006, Harrow turned from Labour to the Tories, in part because town hall bosses introduced three unpopular LTNs in summer 2020.0 -
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How come the Tory Party/Press have not mentioned them winning Harrow? Or does “turning from” have another meaning that can be explained by somebody with DT translation app.briantrumpet said:rick_chasey said:Anyway, on a more positive note for a bike forum, it seems that local candidates who ran on anti Low-Traffic-Network policies did badly across the board.
That feels like a real win.
That's not the story the Telegraph are flogging in their anti-LTN crusade.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/07/backlash-ltns-gives-tories-solace-london/Tory councillors who bucked the trend in London’s council elections exploited unpopular policies, including controversial low-traffic neighbourhoods (LTNs), to secure support from traditional Labour voters.
Many working-class and ethnic minority voters turned to Conservative candidates in Harrow and Enfield as part of the backlash against the unpopular road closure schemes.
For the first time since 2006, Harrow turned from Labour to the Tories, in part because town hall bosses introduced three unpopular LTNs in summer 2020.0 -
You want Wee Jimmy Krankie having a say in running anything outside of Scotland? Seriously?ddraver said:
True enough...briantrumpet said:ddraver said:I've always thought that Labour would need to change leaders before they win an election anyway. Starmer is just too...nice. He's done a commendable job "de-corbynising" the party and getting back on a sensible, if dull, track but it's time for a winner to take over now.
He's the Stuart Lancaster to their Eddie Jones. Honorable and solid, good at installing a culture and getting players heads in the right place but not enough of a baller to win big games.
Quite - he doesn't inspire, though I could put up with him as PM, if he got lucky. He could be a bit of a John Major. Dunno if he tucks his shirt into his underpants.
I could maybe handle a Star-geon coalition though. Whatever else, she's got some statescraft...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
SNP is a pretty sizeable party in WestminsterStevo_666 said:
You want Wee Jimmy Krankie having a say in running anything outside of Scotland? Seriously?ddraver said:
True enough...briantrumpet said:ddraver said:I've always thought that Labour would need to change leaders before they win an election anyway. Starmer is just too...nice. He's done a commendable job "de-corbynising" the party and getting back on a sensible, if dull, track but it's time for a winner to take over now.
He's the Stuart Lancaster to their Eddie Jones. Honorable and solid, good at installing a culture and getting players heads in the right place but not enough of a baller to win big games.
Quite - he doesn't inspire, though I could put up with him as PM, if he got lucky. He could be a bit of a John Major. Dunno if he tucks his shirt into his underpants.
I could maybe handle a Star-geon coalition though. Whatever else, she's got some statescraft...0 -
True, but the current Tory majority prevents her from having a real say in anything. Thankfully, wouldn't you say?rick_chasey said:
SNP is a pretty sizeable party in WestminsterStevo_666 said:
You want Wee Jimmy Krankie having a say in running anything outside of Scotland? Seriously?ddraver said:
True enough...briantrumpet said:ddraver said:I've always thought that Labour would need to change leaders before they win an election anyway. Starmer is just too...nice. He's done a commendable job "de-corbynising" the party and getting back on a sensible, if dull, track but it's time for a winner to take over now.
He's the Stuart Lancaster to their Eddie Jones. Honorable and solid, good at installing a culture and getting players heads in the right place but not enough of a baller to win big games.
Quite - he doesn't inspire, though I could put up with him as PM, if he got lucky. He could be a bit of a John Major. Dunno if he tucks his shirt into his underpants.
I could maybe handle a Star-geon coalition though. Whatever else, she's got some statescraft...
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Looks like he's feeling the pressure:
https://news.sky.com/story/beergate-sir-keir-starmer-pulls-out-of-keynote-speech-as-pressure-mounts-over-claims-he-broke-covid-rules-12609092"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Although to be fair, Rees-Mogg has said that Starmer shouldn't resign:
https://independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/starmer-resign-fine-rees-mogg-b2074251.html
I guess the Tories see him as a bit harmless so want to keep him in place "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Lol I suspect one or two of them have rubbed their handful of braincells together and worked out what will happen if Kier resigns over a much more minor infraction than the ones their leader has lied about repeatedly.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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Perhaps the tories have decided that insisting on resignations for lockdown breaches may have some kind of negative impact on their own party?0
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Or maybe as stated, there are more important things to get on with?
Feel free to speculate further."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
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Stevo_666 said:
Or maybe as stated, there are more important things to get on with?
Feel free to speculate further.
Like that long-awaited bonfire of pointless consumer-protection regs, or the unilateral withdrawal from an international treaty that they signed?
Just wondering what they've been holding out on for the past few years that suddenly needs doing now, that desperately needs a law-breaking Prime Minister to enact.0 -
The man who would be PM breaking them is no less significant.rick_chasey said:
You think the leader abandoning his own rules he has set for the country is not important?Stevo_666 said:Or maybe as stated, there are more important things to get on with?
Feel free to speculate further.
I pity your juniors.
If Starmer really wanted a decent chance of removing Boris, he'd resign and then Boris would be under renewed pressure to do so. Taking one for the leftie team, so to say. However I suspect he won't, so the leftie hypcrite tag can stay in that case."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I didn't have any specifics in mind but I think its a far comment that there are more important things to deal with.briantrumpet said:Stevo_666 said:Or maybe as stated, there are more important things to get on with?
Feel free to speculate further.
Like that long-awaited bonfire of pointless consumer-protection regs, or the unilateral withdrawal from an international treaty that they signed?
Just wondering what they've been holding out on for the past few years that suddenly needs doing now, that desperately needs a law-breaking Prime Minister to enact."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Stevo_666 said:
The man who would be PM breaking them is no less significant.rick_chasey said:
You think the leader abandoning his own rules he has set for the country is not important?Stevo_666 said:Or maybe as stated, there are more important things to get on with?
Feel free to speculate further.
I pity your juniors.
If Starmer really wanted a decent chance of removing Boris, he'd resign and then Boris would be under renewed pressure to do so. Taking one for the leftie team, so to say. However I suspect he won't, so the leftie hypcrite tag can stay in that case.
Let's wait and see. No-one here will be defending him if he's found to have broken a law, I suspect. The irony is that your Tory Party would be better off without the corrupt, lying, lazy charlatan Johnson at the helm. He got them their 80-deat majority to push through Brexit, but he's just a dead weight now: everyone can see what he is.0 -
It seems Starmer will say that he will resign if the police issue a penalty notice. The thinking is that he will resign anyway, so why not take the moral high ground now.
The problem with this is that it relies on legal semantics. If he isn't fined, all the people who are currently angry because they followed the rules, are likely to still be angry, because he and others travelled across the country to have dinner indoors and the angry people were not allowed to do that. This is clear from the comments in this thread about Johnson.
There's also the problem of Angela Rayner. She arrived in the evening then denied she was there. Treating the denial in good faith as an administrative error it makes me wonder just how many dinners she went to during lockdown such that she would forget.
I have no suggestions as to what he should do now other than roll back the clock and not be idiotic enough to have a private dinner during lockdown. Especially when his political career is based on being the straight one.
I would liken it to the politician who endlessly preaches family values and then is caught cheating. It's damaging. It is far less damaging for someone like Johnson who everyone expects to cheat.
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That's actually a surprisingly good political response from JRM, in complete contrast to Mad Nad's comments on the subject.rick_chasey said:
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Is it worse than May being held over a barrel by the DUP to hold on to power?Stevo_666 said:
You want Wee Jimmy Krankie having a say in running anything outside of Scotland? Seriously?ddraver said:
True enough...briantrumpet said:ddraver said:I've always thought that Labour would need to change leaders before they win an election anyway. Starmer is just too...nice. He's done a commendable job "de-corbynising" the party and getting back on a sensible, if dull, track but it's time for a winner to take over now.
He's the Stuart Lancaster to their Eddie Jones. Honorable and solid, good at installing a culture and getting players heads in the right place but not enough of a baller to win big games.
Quite - he doesn't inspire, though I could put up with him as PM, if he got lucky. He could be a bit of a John Major. Dunno if he tucks his shirt into his underpants.
I could maybe handle a Star-geon coalition though. Whatever else, she's got some statescraft...0 -
Basically Starmer's entirely shtick is he's not that c*nt so he has to walk the talk.
If he actually had a credible vision for the UK this might be less of an issue but his entire bit is "I'm not that lying shyster and I try to stick to the rulez" so it's an issue.
Entirely why the Tories want to make it seem that, actually, see, it's not a big deal.1 -
I wonder how many working meals johnson had? In addition to all the parties.
Also, if it turns out these were rules that not even Mr Self Isolate could work out he was breaking- that doesn't make them great.
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