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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,323
    Stevo_666 said:

    Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.

    Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
    That's the leftie hypocrisy you don't actually care about?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Stevo_666 said:

    Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.

    Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
    Yeah, but the hypocrisy is calling out the crime - that is the entire point.

    You're saying if he'd shut up about it it'd have been better?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,323
    Stevo_666 said:

    That could be a problem given the quality of the Labour front bench.
    Johnson doesn't seem to like facing Rachel Reeves:


  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,037

    Yeah, but the hypocrisy is calling out the crime - that is the entire point.

    You're saying if he'd shut up about it it'd have been better?
    Are you just pretending not to get it?

    Of ourse he can criticise the PM. But committing breaches of the same rules makes him a hypocrite. I hope that's simple enough for you.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,037

    Johnson doesn't seem to like facing Rachel Reeves:


    The great leftie hope? I remember Jo Swinson was touted as the Lib Dems new dawn...
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,323
    Stevo_666 said:

    Are you just pretending not to get it?

    Of ourse he can criticise the PM. But committing breaches of the same rules makes him a hypocrite. I hope that's simple enough for you.
    But you aren't bothered by it, so what's the problem? Just focus on whether each of them should actually resign for what they did.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,484
    Stevo_666 said:

    Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.

    Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
    It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resign



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  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    @Stevo_666 is he still a leftie hypocrite or just a general gobshite?


    It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resign



    You're confusing hypocrisy and 'leftie-b0llocks hypocrisy', totally different thing.......
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,129


    It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resign



    He previously said that a police investigation was enough, so he has gone back on that.
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,728
    Stevo_666 said:

    So youve decided that he's innocent before the police have finished their investigation? How very Cake Stop.
    The police have already said they were happy he hadn't broken the law once.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    Pross said:

    The police have already said they were happy he hadn't broken the law once.
    and that they don't issue retrospective fines so that puts him in the clear
  • pangolin
    pangolin Posts: 6,673
    Surely it is inappropriate for any of us to make any comment while there is an ongoing investigation.
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,323
    edited May 2022

    He previously said that a police investigation was enough, so he has gone back on that.
    I know you can see that it's a bit different the met launching an investigation based on the Sue Gray report and Durham police launching one based on the Daily Mail report.
  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,484

    He previously said that a police investigation was enough, so he has gone back on that.
    Enough for what?
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,249
    Enough to show a general contempt for the general public I guess, akin to the cheese n' wine posse.

  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,980
    Stevo_666 said:

    See my posts above about the subject being leftie hypocrisy.
    If he was having a party, then it would be hypocrisy. Doesn't look like it was, though as much as Carrie's ex wants it to be.
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  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,249
    edited May 2022
    Not fit for purpose.

    Decisions should be made by an evolving monitored AI system.


  • HilaryAmin
    HilaryAmin Posts: 160
    pangolin said:

    Surely it is inappropriate for any of us to make any comment while there is an ongoing investigation.

    Of course but that won't stop them. My diversionary tactic relating to a hypocritical Tory who HAD been found guilty and awaits sentencing failed. I don't think they a) have any intention of resigning or b) changing their behaviour. Their cringing apology was entirely fake IMO. As is to be expected of the species.

  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,037


    It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resign



    Nope. Starmer and Rayner both insisted Boris should resign just for being under police investigation.
    https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/06/sir-keir-starmer-accused-hypocrisy-urging-boris-johnson-quit/

    Starmer is now under police investigation.

    So leftie hypocrisy it is.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,037
    Pross said:

    The police have already said they were happy he hadn't broken the law once.
    Until they received significant new evidence, hence the investigation.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,249
    *Investigation*

    Wait for the next story to break to cover up the last c0ckup. Goooood, it's so complacent and boring now.

    When it's a government role their mind should be only concerned with serving and improving our Country. If they do something which shows they can't lead by example they should have the self respect to leave immediately.

    It's just bloody embarrassing. He did this, she did that, blar, blar, blar...

  • focuszing723
    focuszing723 Posts: 8,249
    Defend the relevant party football shirt...

  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,323
    No, no. If
    Stevo_666 said:

    Nope. Starmer and Rayner both insisted Boris should resign just for being under police investigation.
    https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/06/sir-keir-starmer-accused-hypocrisy-urging-boris-johnson-quit/

    Starmer is now under police investigation.

    So leftie hypocrisy it is.
    Not true. They insisted he resign when he was put under police investigation, not solely because of it. You know all this, everyone does.
  • john80
    john80 Posts: 2,965

    Nah, if I'm ever falsely accused of a crime I'm going to defend myself - although at £30 for a penalty notice I can see the temptation to abandon principles.
    I took someone to a&e for an emergency and did not have any cash or phone. So duly got a fine of £40 reduced to £20 if paid early in the sign on the carpark. Went on the website to pay and they had done the ticket wrong and it was £40 now but potentially £20 if paid late which was most likely and error on the ticket. I paid the £40 and sent them an email. I could spend hours fighting this or not bother and I have done the latter. I would suggest most people would pay a fine that has little consequence for you record than go through the hassle to probe a point.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,129

    I know you can see that it's a bit different the met launching an investigation based on the Sue Gray report and Durham police launching one based on the Daily Mail report.
    New evidence in both cases, isn't it?

    The two clear differences to me are the number of instances and the wildest of the parties; however, I don't think Johnson was present for the latter parties.

    On the flip side, most of the people in Johnson's case worked together whereas Starmer unnecessarily brought together people from around the country.

    Personally, I'd prefer that the statute of limitations had expired, and they were all just judged in the court of public opinion.

  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,658
    pangolin said:

    Surely it is inappropriate for any of us to make any comment while there is an ongoing investigation.

    Where's the fun in that?
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,980
    Stevo_666 said:

    Until they received significant new evidence, hence the investigation.
    Y
    john80 said:

    I took someone to a&e for an emergency and did not have any cash or phone. So duly got a fine of £40 reduced to £20 if paid early in the sign on the carpark. Went on the website to pay and they had done the ticket wrong and it was £40 now but potentially £20 if paid late which was most likely and error on the ticket. I paid the £40 and sent them an email. I could spend hours fighting this or not bother and I have done the latter. I would suggest most people would pay a fine that has little consequence for you record than go through the hassle to probe a point.
    Quite possibly, but a private parking fine is just a business transaction. It's very different from an FPN, which is a criminal matter.
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    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,037

    No, no. If

    Not true. They insisted he resign when he was put under police investigation, not solely because of it. You know all this, everyone does.
    Maybe you need to read the article. Beats denial of reality.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,323
    Stevo_666 said:

    Maybe you need to read the article. Beats denial of reality.
    I have read it. I think it might be another one you've posted that doesn't disagree with me.

    By the way, did you ever work out why the other graph didn't say what you thought?

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