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That's the leftie hypocrisy you don't actually care about?Stevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.0 -
Yeah, but the hypocrisy is calling out the crime - that is the entire point.Stevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
You're saying if he'd shut up about it it'd have been better?0 -
Johnson doesn't seem to like facing Rachel Reeves:Stevo_666 said:
That could be a problem given the quality of the Labour front bench.TheBigBean said:
Well, it's relevant to your point that Starmer quitting isn't a big deal. That's true if there is an equal or better replacement.rjsterry said:
Than Starmer? That's for them to sort out. Not my circus; not my monkeys.TheBigBean said:
So who do you think will be better?rjsterry said:
I'm well aware that some left-wingers think Starmer is 'worse than the Tories'. Frankly they are the same idiots who think that a particularly bad GE defeat is somehow a victory. They have an overinflated view of their importance. Starmer barely has a public profile to lose.TheBigBean said:
I don't think that is true. It takes a while to build a public profile and the replacements are not obvious. Also, if you read the article by Owen Jones (I know) it shows how some on the left think of Starmer and how they may not be fooled a second time.rjsterry said:Surely the biggest problem for Labour is that Starmer could quit and it wouldn't be that big a deal.
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Are you just pretending not to get it?rick_chasey said:
Yeah, but the hypocrisy is calling out the crime - that is the entire point.Stevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
You're saying if he'd shut up about it it'd have been better?
Of ourse he can criticise the PM. But committing breaches of the same rules makes him a hypocrite. I hope that's simple enough for you."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
The great leftie hope? I remember Jo Swinson was touted as the Lib Dems new dawn...kingstongraham said:
Johnson doesn't seem to like facing Rachel Reeves:Stevo_666 said:
That could be a problem given the quality of the Labour front bench.TheBigBean said:
Well, it's relevant to your point that Starmer quitting isn't a big deal. That's true if there is an equal or better replacement.rjsterry said:
Than Starmer? That's for them to sort out. Not my circus; not my monkeys.TheBigBean said:
So who do you think will be better?rjsterry said:
I'm well aware that some left-wingers think Starmer is 'worse than the Tories'. Frankly they are the same idiots who think that a particularly bad GE defeat is somehow a victory. They have an overinflated view of their importance. Starmer barely has a public profile to lose.TheBigBean said:
I don't think that is true. It takes a while to build a public profile and the replacements are not obvious. Also, if you read the article by Owen Jones (I know) it shows how some on the left think of Starmer and how they may not be fooled a second time.rjsterry said:Surely the biggest problem for Labour is that Starmer could quit and it wouldn't be that big a deal.
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
But you aren't bothered by it, so what's the problem? Just focus on whether each of them should actually resign for what they did.Stevo_666 said:
Are you just pretending not to get it?rick_chasey said:
Yeah, but the hypocrisy is calling out the crime - that is the entire point.Stevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
You're saying if he'd shut up about it it'd have been better?
Of ourse he can criticise the PM. But committing breaches of the same rules makes him a hypocrite. I hope that's simple enough for you.0 -
It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resignStevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
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@Stevo_666 is he still a leftie hypocrite or just a general gobshite?
You're confusing hypocrisy and 'leftie-b0llocks hypocrisy', totally different thing.......tailwindhome said:
It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resignStevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.0 -
He previously said that a police investigation was enough, so he has gone back on that.tailwindhome said:
It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resignStevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.2 -
The police have already said they were happy he hadn't broken the law once.Stevo_666 said:
So youve decided that he's innocent before the police have finished their investigation? How very Cake Stop.Pross said:
Not according to the police. Some of Johnson's (many) reported infractions occured during a full lockdown imposed by his own Government whereas Starmer's was, from the reports I read, during less stringent restrictions and were allowed within the rules set down by Johnson's government.Stevo_666 said:
No. Starmer looks like he broke the very rules he insisted Boris resign over, that is the point.rick_chasey said:
You seem to think it was a bad idea that Starmer held BoJo accountable to the rules BoJo set himself - else how else is it "self righteous leftiebollocks"Stevo_666 said:
You appear to be replying to a different post to mine. I'm making a different point. Very odd.rick_chasey said:
I don’t understand this argument.Stevo_666 said:Thered be a lot of noise if Boris Johnson breathes.
Anyhow, Starmer really has boxed himself into a corner with this one. Good example of self righteous leftiebollox backfiring.
Why is it acceptable for the PM to not abide by the laws of the land?
So, by logic, you seem to think Johnson should not have been held accountable for breaking the rules he set himself, right?
So if you don't think that, then, by logic, you don't think it's necessary the PM abide by the laws of the land, surely?
So it's self righteous leftiebollox. Simple really.0 -
and that they don't issue retrospective fines so that puts him in the clearPross said:
The police have already said they were happy he hadn't broken the law once.Stevo_666 said:
So youve decided that he's innocent before the police have finished their investigation? How very Cake Stop.Pross said:
Not according to the police. Some of Johnson's (many) reported infractions occured during a full lockdown imposed by his own Government whereas Starmer's was, from the reports I read, during less stringent restrictions and were allowed within the rules set down by Johnson's government.Stevo_666 said:
No. Starmer looks like he broke the very rules he insisted Boris resign over, that is the point.rick_chasey said:
You seem to think it was a bad idea that Starmer held BoJo accountable to the rules BoJo set himself - else how else is it "self righteous leftiebollocks"Stevo_666 said:
You appear to be replying to a different post to mine. I'm making a different point. Very odd.rick_chasey said:
I don’t understand this argument.Stevo_666 said:Thered be a lot of noise if Boris Johnson breathes.
Anyhow, Starmer really has boxed himself into a corner with this one. Good example of self righteous leftiebollox backfiring.
Why is it acceptable for the PM to not abide by the laws of the land?
So, by logic, you seem to think Johnson should not have been held accountable for breaking the rules he set himself, right?
So if you don't think that, then, by logic, you don't think it's necessary the PM abide by the laws of the land, surely?
So it's self righteous leftiebollox. Simple really.0 -
Surely it is inappropriate for any of us to make any comment while there is an ongoing investigation.- Genesis Croix de Fer
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I know you can see that it's a bit different the met launching an investigation based on the Sue Gray report and Durham police launching one based on the Daily Mail report.TheBigBean said:
He previously said that a police investigation was enough, so he has gone back on that.tailwindhome said:
It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resignStevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.0 -
Enough for what?TheBigBean said:
He previously said that a police investigation was enough, so he has gone back on that.tailwindhome said:
It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resignStevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
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Enough to show a general contempt for the general public I guess, akin to the cheese n' wine posse.
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If he was having a party, then it would be hypocrisy. Doesn't look like it was, though as much as Carrie's ex wants it to be.Stevo_666 said:
See my posts above about the subject being leftie hypocrisy.kingstongraham said:
I think Johnson repeatedly and consistently ignoring his own rules is genuinely a resignation matter. It would have been remiss of Starmer not to hammer him for that.TheBigBean said:
Do you think Starmer overplayed his hand?kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Of course but that won't stop them. My diversionary tactic relating to a hypocritical Tory who HAD been found guilty and awaits sentencing failed. I don't think they a) have any intention of resigning or b) changing their behaviour. Their cringing apology was entirely fake IMO. As is to be expected of the species.pangolin said:Surely it is inappropriate for any of us to make any comment while there is an ongoing investigation.
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Nope. Starmer and Rayner both insisted Boris should resign just for being under police investigation.tailwindhome said:
It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resignStevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/06/sir-keir-starmer-accused-hypocrisy-urging-boris-johnson-quit/
Starmer is now under police investigation.
So leftie hypocrisy it is."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Until they received significant new evidence, hence the investigation.Pross said:
The police have already said they were happy he hadn't broken the law once.Stevo_666 said:
So youve decided that he's innocent before the police have finished their investigation? How very Cake Stop.Pross said:
Not according to the police. Some of Johnson's (many) reported infractions occured during a full lockdown imposed by his own Government whereas Starmer's was, from the reports I read, during less stringent restrictions and were allowed within the rules set down by Johnson's government.Stevo_666 said:
No. Starmer looks like he broke the very rules he insisted Boris resign over, that is the point.rick_chasey said:
You seem to think it was a bad idea that Starmer held BoJo accountable to the rules BoJo set himself - else how else is it "self righteous leftiebollocks"Stevo_666 said:
You appear to be replying to a different post to mine. I'm making a different point. Very odd.rick_chasey said:
I don’t understand this argument.Stevo_666 said:Thered be a lot of noise if Boris Johnson breathes.
Anyhow, Starmer really has boxed himself into a corner with this one. Good example of self righteous leftiebollox backfiring.
Why is it acceptable for the PM to not abide by the laws of the land?
So, by logic, you seem to think Johnson should not have been held accountable for breaking the rules he set himself, right?
So if you don't think that, then, by logic, you don't think it's necessary the PM abide by the laws of the land, surely?
So it's self righteous leftiebollox. Simple really."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
*Investigation*
Wait for the next story to break to cover up the last c0ckup. Goooood, it's so complacent and boring now.
When it's a government role their mind should be only concerned with serving and improving our Country. If they do something which shows they can't lead by example they should have the self respect to leave immediately.
It's just bloody embarrassing. He did this, she did that, blar, blar, blar...
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Defend the relevant party football shirt...
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No, no. If
Not true. They insisted he resign when he was put under police investigation, not solely because of it. You know all this, everyone does.Stevo_666 said:
Nope. Starmer and Rayner both insisted Boris should resign just for being under police investigation.tailwindhome said:
It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resignStevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/06/sir-keir-starmer-accused-hypocrisy-urging-boris-johnson-quit/
Starmer is now under police investigation.
So leftie hypocrisy it is.0 -
I took someone to a&e for an emergency and did not have any cash or phone. So duly got a fine of £40 reduced to £20 if paid early in the sign on the carpark. Went on the website to pay and they had done the ticket wrong and it was £40 now but potentially £20 if paid late which was most likely and error on the ticket. I paid the £40 and sent them an email. I could spend hours fighting this or not bother and I have done the latter. I would suggest most people would pay a fine that has little consequence for you record than go through the hassle to probe a point.TheBigBean said:
Nah, if I'm ever falsely accused of a crime I'm going to defend myself - although at £30 for a penalty notice I can see the temptation to abandon principles.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Why would someone resign if they haven't done anything wrong? Surely, a penalty fine would be a miscarriage of justice in that case etc.
Ever heard of honour? Lord Carrington, for instance??0 -
New evidence in both cases, isn't it?kingstongraham said:
I know you can see that it's a bit different the met launching an investigation based on the Sue Gray report and Durham police launching one based on the Daily Mail report.TheBigBean said:
He previously said that a police investigation was enough, so he has gone back on that.tailwindhome said:
It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resignStevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
The two clear differences to me are the number of instances and the wildest of the parties; however, I don't think Johnson was present for the latter parties.
On the flip side, most of the people in Johnson's case worked together whereas Starmer unnecessarily brought together people from around the country.
Personally, I'd prefer that the statute of limitations had expired, and they were all just judged in the court of public opinion.
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Until they received significant new evidence, hence the investigation.Pross said:
The police have already said they were happy he hadn't broken the law once.Stevo_666 said:
So youve decided that he's innocent before the police have finished their investigation? How very Cake Stop.Pross said:
Not according to the police. Some of Johnson's (many) reported infractions occured during a full lockdown imposed by his own Government whereas Starmer's was, from the reports I read, during less stringent restrictions and were allowed within the rules set down by Johnson's government.Stevo_666 said:
No. Starmer looks like he broke the very rules he insisted Boris resign over, that is the point.rick_chasey said:
You seem to think it was a bad idea that Starmer held BoJo accountable to the rules BoJo set himself - else how else is it "self righteous leftiebollocks"Stevo_666 said:
You appear to be replying to a different post to mine. I'm making a different point. Very odd.rick_chasey said:
I don’t understand this argument.Stevo_666 said:Thered be a lot of noise if Boris Johnson breathes.
Anyhow, Starmer really has boxed himself into a corner with this one. Good example of self righteous leftiebollox backfiring.
Why is it acceptable for the PM to not abide by the laws of the land?
So, by logic, you seem to think Johnson should not have been held accountable for breaking the rules he set himself, right?
So if you don't think that, then, by logic, you don't think it's necessary the PM abide by the laws of the land, surely?
So it's self righteous leftiebollox. Simple really.
Quite possibly, but a private parking fine is just a business transaction. It's very different from an FPN, which is a criminal matter.john80 said:
I took someone to a&e for an emergency and did not have any cash or phone. So duly got a fine of £40 reduced to £20 if paid early in the sign on the carpark. Went on the website to pay and they had done the ticket wrong and it was £40 now but potentially £20 if paid late which was most likely and error on the ticket. I paid the £40 and sent them an email. I could spend hours fighting this or not bother and I have done the latter. I would suggest most people would pay a fine that has little consequence for you record than go through the hassle to probe a point.TheBigBean said:
Nah, if I'm ever falsely accused of a crime I'm going to defend myself - although at £30 for a penalty notice I can see the temptation to abandon principles.briantrumpet said:TheBigBean said:Why would someone resign if they haven't done anything wrong? Surely, a penalty fine would be a miscarriage of justice in that case etc.
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Maybe you need to read the article. Beats denial of reality.kingstongraham said:No, no. If
Not true. They insisted he resign when he was put under police investigation, not solely because of it. You know all this, everyone does.Stevo_666 said:
Nope. Starmer and Rayner both insisted Boris should resign just for being under police investigation.tailwindhome said:
It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resignStevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/06/sir-keir-starmer-accused-hypocrisy-urging-boris-johnson-quit/
Starmer is now under police investigation.
So leftie hypocrisy it is."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I have read it. I think it might be another one you've posted that doesn't disagree with me.Stevo_666 said:
Maybe you need to read the article. Beats denial of reality.kingstongraham said:No, no. If
Not true. They insisted he resign when he was put under police investigation, not solely because of it. You know all this, everyone does.Stevo_666 said:
Nope. Starmer and Rayner both insisted Boris should resign just for being under police investigation.tailwindhome said:
It would/will only be hypocrisy if he was fined and didn't resignStevo_666 said:
Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.rick_chasey said:
The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.kingstongraham said:
If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?Stevo_666 said:
My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/06/sir-keir-starmer-accused-hypocrisy-urging-boris-johnson-quit/
Starmer is now under police investigation.
So leftie hypocrisy it is.
By the way, did you ever work out why the other graph didn't say what you thought?0
