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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,922
    Surely the biggest problem for Labour is that Starmer could quit and it wouldn't be that big a deal.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,638
    Stevo - no offence mate, BoJo is a lying, duplicitous c*nt.
    End of.
    Same mould as that odious, vomit inducing Rees Mogg and his ERG entourage.



    What a f*cking joke of a man:



    And Sunak, well, multi millionaire married to a billionaire. What tf would he know about what it's like for the average man in the street?

    ...and don't start with that leftie bollox. Currently, I think there isn't a credible political party in the UK, so don't assign some political leaning on me.

    You cannot defend the indefensible.
    Garden parties at number 10 in the middle of lockdown. Ffs.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Yeah fine, press is going to go after a labour leader.

    I don’t understand how it is self righteous if he quits over it?

    I don’t understand Stevo, why you think the PM *shouldn’t* resign over him breaking the rules he set himself?

    Wrong thread, as mentioned. This is the leftie bashing thread.
    I mean, this is a cop out.

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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,014
    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Yeah fine, press is going to go after a labour leader.

    I don’t understand how it is self righteous if he quits over it?

    I don’t understand Stevo, why you think the PM *shouldn’t* resign over him breaking the rules he set himself?

    Wrong thread, as mentioned. This is the leftie bashing thread.
    I mean, this is a cop out.

    Not enjoying watching the Starmer show then? I can understand why you would be sympathetic towards someone who has been caught out by being sanctimonious ;)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    What I don't understand Stevo, is the crime here according to you, is calling Johnson out on his rule breaking, not the rule breaking itself, is that right?

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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,014
    pinno said:






    I suppose you don't like this bloke either?


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    Stevo_666 said:


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?

    If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?

    If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?
    The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.

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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    rjsterry said:

    Surely the biggest problem for Labour is that Starmer could quit and it wouldn't be that big a deal.

    I don't think that is true. It takes a while to build a public profile and the replacements are not obvious. Also, if you read the article by Owen Jones (I know) it shows how some on the left think of Starmer and how they may not be fooled a second time.


  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?

    If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?
    Do you think Starmer overplayed his hand?
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,691
    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Thered be a lot of noise if Boris Johnson breathes.

    Anyhow, Starmer really has boxed himself into a corner with this one. Good example of self righteous leftiebollox backfiring.

    I don’t understand this argument.

    Why is it acceptable for the PM to not abide by the laws of the land?
    You appear to be replying to a different post to mine. I'm making a different point. Very odd.
    You seem to think it was a bad idea that Starmer held BoJo accountable to the rules BoJo set himself - else how else is it "self righteous leftiebollocks"

    So, by logic, you seem to think Johnson should not have been held accountable for breaking the rules he set himself, right?

    So if you don't think that, then, by logic, you don't think it's necessary the PM abide by the laws of the land, surely?
    No. Starmer looks like he broke the very rules he insisted Boris resign over, that is the point.

    So it's self righteous leftiebollox. Simple really.
    Not according to the police. Some of Johnson's (many) reported infractions occured during a full lockdown imposed by his own Government whereas Starmer's was, from the reports I read, during less stringent restrictions and were allowed within the rules set down by Johnson's government.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Thered be a lot of noise if Boris Johnson breathes.

    Anyhow, Starmer really has boxed himself into a corner with this one. Good example of self righteous leftiebollox backfiring.

    I don’t understand this argument.

    Why is it acceptable for the PM to not abide by the laws of the land?
    You appear to be replying to a different post to mine. I'm making a different point. Very odd.
    You seem to think it was a bad idea that Starmer held BoJo accountable to the rules BoJo set himself - else how else is it "self righteous leftiebollocks"

    So, by logic, you seem to think Johnson should not have been held accountable for breaking the rules he set himself, right?

    So if you don't think that, then, by logic, you don't think it's necessary the PM abide by the laws of the land, surely?
    No. Starmer looks like he broke the very rules he insisted Boris resign over, that is the point.

    So it's self righteous leftiebollox. Simple really.
    Not according to the police. Some of Johnson's (many) reported infractions occured during a full lockdown imposed by his own Government whereas Starmer's was, from the reports I read, during less stringent restrictions and were allowed within the rules set down by Johnson's government.
    For clarity, meetings were allowed if "reasonably necessary" for work purposes; however, the guidance on political campaigning was clear that it should not happen. Therefore he ignored the guidance, but is ok legally if it was considered a reasonably necessary meeting.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,638
    Bungling buffoon









    [Rees Mogg has defended this c*nt over party gate]
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,638
    Stevo_666 said:

    pinno said:






    I suppose you don't like this bloke either?


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
    Your point is missed 'cos you keep deflecting the sins of BoJo.
    Starmer is not in power. Starmer did not set the rules during lockdown.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,922
    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    Surely the biggest problem for Labour is that Starmer could quit and it wouldn't be that big a deal.

    I don't think that is true. It takes a while to build a public profile and the replacements are not obvious. Also, if you read the article by Owen Jones (I know) it shows how some on the left think of Starmer and how they may not be fooled a second time.


    I'm well aware that some left-wingers think Starmer is 'worse than the Tories'. Frankly they are the same idiots who think that a particularly bad GE defeat is somehow a victory. They have an overinflated view of their importance. Starmer barely has a public profile to lose.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    rjsterry said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    Surely the biggest problem for Labour is that Starmer could quit and it wouldn't be that big a deal.

    I don't think that is true. It takes a while to build a public profile and the replacements are not obvious. Also, if you read the article by Owen Jones (I know) it shows how some on the left think of Starmer and how they may not be fooled a second time.


    I'm well aware that some left-wingers think Starmer is 'worse than the Tories'. Frankly they are the same idiots who think that a particularly bad GE defeat is somehow a victory. They have an overinflated view of their importance. Starmer barely has a public profile to lose.
    So who do you think will be better?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,922
    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    Surely the biggest problem for Labour is that Starmer could quit and it wouldn't be that big a deal.

    I don't think that is true. It takes a while to build a public profile and the replacements are not obvious. Also, if you read the article by Owen Jones (I know) it shows how some on the left think of Starmer and how they may not be fooled a second time.


    I'm well aware that some left-wingers think Starmer is 'worse than the Tories'. Frankly they are the same idiots who think that a particularly bad GE defeat is somehow a victory. They have an overinflated view of their importance. Starmer barely has a public profile to lose.
    So who do you think will be better?
    Than Starmer? That's for them to sort out. Not my circus; not my monkeys.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    rjsterry said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    Surely the biggest problem for Labour is that Starmer could quit and it wouldn't be that big a deal.

    I don't think that is true. It takes a while to build a public profile and the replacements are not obvious. Also, if you read the article by Owen Jones (I know) it shows how some on the left think of Starmer and how they may not be fooled a second time.


    I'm well aware that some left-wingers think Starmer is 'worse than the Tories'. Frankly they are the same idiots who think that a particularly bad GE defeat is somehow a victory. They have an overinflated view of their importance. Starmer barely has a public profile to lose.
    So who do you think will be better?
    Than Starmer? That's for them to sort out. Not my circus; not my monkeys.
    Well, it's relevant to your point that Starmer quitting isn't a big deal. That's true if there is an equal or better replacement.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?

    If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?
    Do you think Starmer overplayed his hand?
    I think Johnson repeatedly and consistently ignoring his own rules is genuinely a resignation matter. It would have been remiss of Starmer not to hammer him for that.

  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    kingstongraham said:

    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?

    If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?
    Do you think Starmer overplayed his hand?
    I think Johnson repeatedly and consistently ignoring his own rules is genuinely a resignation matter. It would have been remiss of Starmer not to hammer him for that.

    He also went after Sunak which is the overplaying hand bit.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?

    If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?
    Do you think Starmer overplayed his hand?
    I think Johnson repeatedly and consistently ignoring his own rules is genuinely a resignation matter. It would have been remiss of Starmer not to hammer him for that.

    He also went after Sunak which is the overplaying hand bit.
    That's fair.

    Sunak was very unlucky and didn't do much wrong.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,014
    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?

    If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?
    Who said I was offended by it?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,014
    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    TheBigBean said:

    rjsterry said:

    Surely the biggest problem for Labour is that Starmer could quit and it wouldn't be that big a deal.

    I don't think that is true. It takes a while to build a public profile and the replacements are not obvious. Also, if you read the article by Owen Jones (I know) it shows how some on the left think of Starmer and how they may not be fooled a second time.


    I'm well aware that some left-wingers think Starmer is 'worse than the Tories'. Frankly they are the same idiots who think that a particularly bad GE defeat is somehow a victory. They have an overinflated view of their importance. Starmer barely has a public profile to lose.
    So who do you think will be better?
    Than Starmer? That's for them to sort out. Not my circus; not my monkeys.
    Well, it's relevant to your point that Starmer quitting isn't a big deal. That's true if there is an equal or better replacement.
    That could be a problem given the quality of the Labour front bench.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,014
    kingstongraham said:

    TheBigBean said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?

    If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?
    Do you think Starmer overplayed his hand?
    I think Johnson repeatedly and consistently ignoring his own rules is genuinely a resignation matter. It would have been remiss of Starmer not to hammer him for that.

    See my posts above about the subject being leftie hypocrisy.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?

    If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?
    Who said I was offended by it?
    If you don't have a problem with it, then this is strange behaviour.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,014
    Pross said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rick_chasey said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Thered be a lot of noise if Boris Johnson breathes.

    Anyhow, Starmer really has boxed himself into a corner with this one. Good example of self righteous leftiebollox backfiring.

    I don’t understand this argument.

    Why is it acceptable for the PM to not abide by the laws of the land?
    You appear to be replying to a different post to mine. I'm making a different point. Very odd.
    You seem to think it was a bad idea that Starmer held BoJo accountable to the rules BoJo set himself - else how else is it "self righteous leftiebollocks"

    So, by logic, you seem to think Johnson should not have been held accountable for breaking the rules he set himself, right?

    So if you don't think that, then, by logic, you don't think it's necessary the PM abide by the laws of the land, surely?
    No. Starmer looks like he broke the very rules he insisted Boris resign over, that is the point.

    So it's self righteous leftiebollox. Simple really.
    Not according to the police. Some of Johnson's (many) reported infractions occured during a full lockdown imposed by his own Government whereas Starmer's was, from the reports I read, during less stringent restrictions and were allowed within the rules set down by Johnson's government.
    So youve decided that he's innocent before the police have finished their investigation? How very Cake Stop.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,014
    pinno said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    pinno said:






    I suppose you don't like this bloke either?


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?
    Your point is missed 'cos you keep deflecting the sins of BoJo.
    Starmer is not in power. Starmer did not set the rules during lockdown.
    Oh, don't the rules apply to Starmer?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Munsford0
    Munsford0 Posts: 681
    rick_chasey said:



    The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.

    What?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,014
    rick_chasey said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:


    My point is about leftie hypocrisy. Any thoughts on that?

    If you are only offended by hypocrisy by those outside the Tory party, is that hypocritical?
    The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.

    Nope, wrong again. It's about leftie hypocrisy, for the umpteenth time.

    Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Munsford0 said:

    rick_chasey said:



    The crime here is calling out the actual crime, rather than the crime itself.

    What?
    I'm paraphrasing Stevo's argument.
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