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  • monkimark
    monkimark Posts: 1,974
    Kier Starmer should resign if he is found to have broken the rules and then critisised Boris Johnson for his law breaking.

    Just like Boris Johnson should have done for breaking the rules and repeatedly lying about it.

    I think that makes me the 3rd leftie who have confirmed the same for you.

    Do you think that Boris should resign for his law breaking, lies and hypocrisy Stevo?
    Stevo_666 said:

    monkimark said:

    I can't open the link but from your quotes it seems like a balanced article.

    My understanding is that Boris Johnson was found to have definitely broken the rules (with investigation into multiple other breaches) and Kier Starmer is going to be investigated for a possible breach. Did I miss something?

    More that Starmer slammed Jognson for breaking the rules and insisted he should resign. And is now being investigated for the same thing.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    If all johnson had done was have a birthday cake in a work meeting, there wouldn't be a problem.

    If you are pretending that's the only thing that happened at number 10, you're not arguing in good faith.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,019
    edited May 2022
    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I see nobody has denied leftie hypocrisy so far.

    I understand this is the best the tories have. Weak sauce.
    Oh deflect like that. Let's enjoy Keir squirm as he gets investigated. Given any tory accused of anything is automatically presumed guilty by the kangaroo Court of Cake Stop, surely the same applies for lefties?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,019
    ddraver said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I see nobody has denied leftie hypocrisy so far.

    Nice of you to admit your own strawman...
    Explain please.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,019
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I see nobody has denied leftie hypocrisy so far.

    Surely only hypocrisy if he is found to have broken the law. Not that anyone really GAF. Apart from the sad bloke whose girlfriend left him for Johnson.
    I'm happy to presume him guilty just like most on here presume a Tory is guilty of anything anything they're accused of. Anyhow, no smoke without fire - from the article:
    "police confirmed they had launched a criminal investigation into "beergate" allegations following the receipt of "significant new information".
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • monkimark
    monkimark Posts: 1,974
    You do realise that Boris was actually found guilty right?

    Do you think he should resign?
    Stevo_666 said:

    kingstongraham said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I see nobody has denied leftie hypocrisy so far.

    I understand this is the best the tories have. Weak sauce.
    Oh deflect like that. Let's enjoy Keir squirm as he gets investigated. Given any tory accused of anything is automatically presumed guilty by the kangaroo Court of Cake Stop, surely the same applies for lefties?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,019
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Surprised this hasn't had a mention before now, but I suspect Starmer is now regretting stirring up quite so much shyte about 'Partygate' :smiley:
    https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/06/sir-keir-starmer-pressure-resign-police-confirm-beergate-investigation/

    Quote: "It's the po-faced, self-regarding, smug naked hypocrisy of Starmer on 'partygate' that makes his comeuppance so satisfying.

    "Every speech, every interview, every script he used to try to force out the Prime Minister can now be deployed against him. Hoist with his own petard!"

    "Starmer's own words should guide his actions if he is an honourable man. If they don't, he will simply nail on the fact that he is nothing but a cheap political opportunist playing at politics with no interest in the principles he purports to hold."

    Ah, the rich vein of leftie hypocrisy :)

    😂

    Oh please. Bit late for that now you've lost the locals.
    Not sure it's an absolute concept as it is for the GE which was very clearly lost by the Lib Dems last time and every time :smile:

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,923
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    I see nobody has denied leftie hypocrisy so far.

    Surely only hypocrisy if he is found to have broken the law. Not that anyone really GAF. Apart from the sad bloke whose girlfriend left him for Johnson.
    I'm happy to presume him guilty just like most on here presume a Tory is guilty of anything anything they're accused of. Anyhow, no smoke without fire - from the article:
    "police confirmed they had launched a criminal investigation into "beergate" allegations following the receipt of "significant new information".
    Sure. Have them both resign if you prefer. Fine by me.
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,923
    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Surprised this hasn't had a mention before now, but I suspect Starmer is now regretting stirring up quite so much shyte about 'Partygate' :smiley:
    https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/06/sir-keir-starmer-pressure-resign-police-confirm-beergate-investigation/

    Quote: "It's the po-faced, self-regarding, smug naked hypocrisy of Starmer on 'partygate' that makes his comeuppance so satisfying.

    "Every speech, every interview, every script he used to try to force out the Prime Minister can now be deployed against him. Hoist with his own petard!"

    "Starmer's own words should guide his actions if he is an honourable man. If they don't, he will simply nail on the fact that he is nothing but a cheap political opportunist playing at politics with no interest in the principles he purports to hold."

    Ah, the rich vein of leftie hypocrisy :)

    😂

    Oh please. Bit late for that now you've lost the locals.
    Not sure it's an absolute concept as it is for the GE which was very clearly lost by the Lib Dems last time and every time :smile:

    You massively over-estimate how invested I am in a particular party.
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    Pinnacle Monzonite

    Part of the anti-growth coalition
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,691
    Interesting that Stevo has an ally in Diane Abbot. Must be embarrassing sharing a view with her.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,302
    Paid up corbyn supporters stick together
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    Every Labour voter I’ve spoken to in the last few days all agree that if Starmer is fined he has to resign so not sure about ‘leftie hypocrisy’

    Both leaders need each other as they are as sh1te as each other.

    If Andy Burnham becomes opposition leader I think Johnson will be in big trouble.
  • Dorset_Boy
    Dorset_Boy Posts: 7,626
    skyblueamateur said:

    Every Labour voter I’ve spoken to in the last few days all agree that if Starmer is fined he has to resign so not sure about ‘leftie hypocrisy’

    Both leaders need each other as they are as sh1te as each other.

    If Andy Burnham becomes opposition leader I think Johnson will be in big trouble.

    But Burnham would need to become an MP first.
  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    Didn’t take Johnson long after London. Always a by-election on the cards
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    Think I got the date of beergate wrong. It seems it was April 2021 and not April 2020.
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,968
    skyblueamateur said:

    Every Labour voter I’ve spoken to in the last few days all agree that if Starmer is fined he has to resign so not sure about ‘leftie hypocrisy’

    Both leaders need each other as they are as sh1te as each other.

    If Andy Burnham becomes opposition leader I think Johnson will be in big trouble.


    Could be a good call. The stench if Johnson is going to hang round the Tories for quite some time, even if they jettison him pronto.

    I think Starmer just needs to say that he is confident he did not break any covid restrictions in place at the time, but if he does receive a fine, he will resign. He's got a bit of leeway now, especially if more Met fines wing their way to Johnson and his party crowd.

    It would not reflect well on Durham plod if Starmer were to receive a fine, and not Cummings: the latter seems a much more egregious breach, which they were happy to overlook and not reopen investigations in response to media pressure.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    briantrumpet said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    Every Labour voter I’ve spoken to in the last few days all agree that if Starmer is fined he has to resign so not sure about ‘leftie hypocrisy’

    Both leaders need each other as they are as sh1te as each other.

    If Andy Burnham becomes opposition leader I think Johnson will be in big trouble.


    Could be a good call. The stench if Johnson is going to hang round the Tories for quite some time, even if they jettison him pronto.

    I think Starmer just needs to say that he is confident he did not break any covid restrictions in place at the time, but if he does receive a fine, he will resign. He's got a bit of leeway now, especially if more Met fines wing their way to Johnson and his party crowd.

    It would not reflect well on Durham plod if Starmer were to receive a fine, and not Cummings: the latter seems a much more egregious breach, which they were happy to overlook and not reopen investigations in response to media pressure.
    Does it? You can laugh about testing his eyesight, but if he didn't get close to anyone else surely a meeting of people from all over the country which could have been done remotely is worse?

  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,968
    TheBigBean said:

    briantrumpet said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    Every Labour voter I’ve spoken to in the last few days all agree that if Starmer is fined he has to resign so not sure about ‘leftie hypocrisy’

    Both leaders need each other as they are as sh1te as each other.

    If Andy Burnham becomes opposition leader I think Johnson will be in big trouble.


    Could be a good call. The stench if Johnson is going to hang round the Tories for quite some time, even if they jettison him pronto.

    I think Starmer just needs to say that he is confident he did not break any covid restrictions in place at the time, but if he does receive a fine, he will resign. He's got a bit of leeway now, especially if more Met fines wing their way to Johnson and his party crowd.

    It would not reflect well on Durham plod if Starmer were to receive a fine, and not Cummings: the latter seems a much more egregious breach, which they were happy to overlook and not reopen investigations in response to media pressure.
    Does it? You can laugh about testing his eyesight, but if he didn't get close to anyone else surely a meeting of people from all over the country which could have been done remotely is worse?


    What were the rules? We all knew that the rapidly applied hotch-potch of laws was full of inconsistencies, but that's what Durham Police should be going on. We all knew that meeting someone in their garden wasn't going to be a super-spreader event, but it was against the rules, so most of us didn't do it, and many people who did got fined.

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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,090
    Preplanned dinner before going back to hotel


  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,627
    I can see Starmer resigning.
    I can't see BJ resigning. He'll have to be kicked out one way or the other.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,968
    pblakeney said:

    I can see Starmer resigning.
    I can't see BJ resigning. He'll have to be kicked out one way or the other.


    I don't think it would be a massive electoral disadvantage for Labour if Starmer went, and to their advantage if Johnson (somehow) stays.
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  • skyblueamateur
    skyblueamateur Posts: 1,498
    TheBigBean said:

    briantrumpet said:

    skyblueamateur said:

    Every Labour voter I’ve spoken to in the last few days all agree that if Starmer is fined he has to resign so not sure about ‘leftie hypocrisy’

    Both leaders need each other as they are as sh1te as each other.

    If Andy Burnham becomes opposition leader I think Johnson will be in big trouble.


    Could be a good call. The stench if Johnson is going to hang round the Tories for quite some time, even if they jettison him pronto.

    I think Starmer just needs to say that he is confident he did not break any covid restrictions in place at the time, but if he does receive a fine, he will resign. He's got a bit of leeway now, especially if more Met fines wing their way to Johnson and his party crowd.

    It would not reflect well on Durham plod if Starmer were to receive a fine, and not Cummings: the latter seems a much more egregious breach, which they were happy to overlook and not reopen investigations in response to media pressure.
    Does it? You can laugh about testing his eyesight, but if he didn't get close to anyone else surely a meeting of people from all over the country which could have been done remotely is worse?

    At the time that Cummins broke the rules they were hugely prohibitive. A lot more so then April 21.

    I don’t think you can apply hindsight to these things as I would have done things very different but we didn’t understand what the virus was hence the restrictions and following the rules.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,627
    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    I can see Starmer resigning.
    I can't see BJ resigning. He'll have to be kicked out one way or the other.


    I don't think it would be a massive electoral disadvantage for Labour if Starmer went, and to their advantage if Johnson (somehow) stays.
    My comment was more about the character of the men, but you are correct.
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  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,968
    pblakeney said:

    briantrumpet said:

    pblakeney said:

    I can see Starmer resigning.
    I can't see BJ resigning. He'll have to be kicked out one way or the other.


    I don't think it would be a massive electoral disadvantage for Labour if Starmer went, and to their advantage if Johnson (somehow) stays.
    My comment was more about the character of the men, but you are correct.

    Yes, absolutely.

    I've not seen anyone here saying that if Starmer broke the actual rules that he shouldn't resign. The Tory Party is in full force trying to pin something on Starmer thinking that it exonerates Johnson in some way. Which, of course, is utter codswallop, and utterly transparent. He's a disgrace, on every level, whatever Starmer might or might not have done.
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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,742
    edited May 2022
    I've always thought that Labour would need to change leaders before they win an election anyway. Starmer is just too...nice. He's done a commendable job "de-corbynising" the party and getting back on a sensible, if dull, track but it's time for a winner to take over now.

    He's the Stuart Lancaster to their Eddie Jones. Honorable and solid, good at installing a culture and getting players heads in the right place but not enough of a baller to win big games.
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,019
    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    rjsterry said:

    Stevo_666 said:

    Surprised this hasn't had a mention before now, but I suspect Starmer is now regretting stirring up quite so much shyte about 'Partygate' :smiley:
    https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/06/sir-keir-starmer-pressure-resign-police-confirm-beergate-investigation/

    Quote: "It's the po-faced, self-regarding, smug naked hypocrisy of Starmer on 'partygate' that makes his comeuppance so satisfying.

    "Every speech, every interview, every script he used to try to force out the Prime Minister can now be deployed against him. Hoist with his own petard!"

    "Starmer's own words should guide his actions if he is an honourable man. If they don't, he will simply nail on the fact that he is nothing but a cheap political opportunist playing at politics with no interest in the principles he purports to hold."

    Ah, the rich vein of leftie hypocrisy :)

    😂

    Oh please. Bit late for that now you've lost the locals.
    Not sure it's an absolute concept as it is for the GE which was very clearly lost by the Lib Dems last time and every time :smile:

    You massively over-estimate how invested I am in a particular party.
    Where do I say that?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,019
    edited May 2022
    ddraver said:

    it's time for a winner to take over now.

    And therein lies the problem. Where is the winner in that bunch of losers?
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,968
    ddraver said:

    I've always thought that Labour would need to change leaders before they win an election anyway. Starmer is just too...nice. He's done a commendable job "de-corbynising" the party and getting back on a sensible, if dull, track but it's time for a winner to take over now.

    He's the Stuart Lancaster to their Eddie Jones. Honorable and solid, good at installing a culture and getting players heads in the right place but not enough of a baller to win big games.


    Quite - he doesn't inspire, though I could put up with him as PM, if he got lucky. He could be a bit of a John Major. Dunno if he tucks his shirt into his underpants.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 62,019
    Anyway, looks like Starmer may be in a spot of trouble...
    https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/07/keir-starmer-beergate-event-planned-leaked-memo-appears-show/

    Naughty leftie hypocrite...

    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • briantrumpet
    briantrumpet Posts: 20,968
    Stevo_666 said:

    Anyway, looks like Starmer may be in a spot of trouble...
    https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/05/07/keir-starmer-beergate-event-planned-leaked-memo-appears-show/

    Naughty leftie hypocrite...


    Already been quoted. Keep up.

    No-one here will be defending him if he broke laws.
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