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TBF,the Conservatives were bang up for it as well. Or at least some of them.😮💨
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Maybe not everyone. Depends how many people had ADP switched on in the first place. I believe the default is to have it switched off and you have to go into the labyrinth of settings to switch it on. Users have the standard level of encryption as default, ADP comes with a warning.
WARNING: If you use Advanced Data Protection, you’re responsible for your data recovery. Because Apple won’t have the keys required to recover your data, you’ll need to have a Recovery Contact or Recovery Key set up on your account. You can use these additional recovery methods to regain access to your data if you ever forget your password or lose access to your account.
I have no idea how many use ADP, could be everyone, could be just the criminals 🤓
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Could just be the criminals. I didn't switch it on due to that warning, and the possible outcome. I like to think the standard security is enough unless directly targeted by someone clever and malicious. I could be deluded.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
It's not so much the risk to your holiday snaps (and far more sensitive data), but the mistaken idea that access to data can be limited just to the authorities. Either it's end to end encrypted or it's not.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Guess the government will be going after Android next. Or it's personal for some reason.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Perhaps they don’t need to 😉 I think Apple ADP is protection with knobs on.
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Isn’t it Apple where they’ve had problems accessing phones used in terrorist attacks because of the security being so good?
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That's why the government has taken the steps it has. I'm conflicted.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Let's put it another way. Government insists that all 5-lever mortice locks should be capable of being operated by your key and a second key that they absolutely promise will only ever be given to the security services in an emergency with a warrant. They also promise that this national pass key will never fall into the wrong hands. Everyone fine with that?
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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Not a great analogy, as once they have a warrant they just smash the door in if they need to.
ADP prevents them from smashing the door in.
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You get the point about making everyone more vulnerable to crime, though?
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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I can’t get too excited about it, as I don’t have ADP switched on. It’s quite a new tool launched at the end of 2022, it comes with a warning not a recommendation, so I didn’t bother.
Depending on the reason for the governments extraordinary request, maybe in the interests of national security? we may also be less vulnerable to crime.
Anyway is this a Brexit Bonus?
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what crime is it making 'everyone' more vulnerable to?
certainly not me, i don't use an iphone
if i want something kept secure it goes on a nato-certified device, or over encrypted links where no third-party has any access to keys
what i don't do is use a phone that has been proven vulnerable many times over many years and has security based on apple saying 'trust us'
trust apple? when it happily kowtows to china for the profits to be made (same as i'd expect android providers to, i wouldn't trust any of them), apple has done it once, it'll do it again, perhaps it already has
i've no issue with security services being able to snoop on criminals/terrorists (or me for that matter, i've nothing to interest them)
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As you point out ADP isn't the only service to use encryption. I hardly think they are only asking Apple to weaken their security. And the internet is already full of workarounds to avoid losing access to ADP.
So the net result is those with something to hide just moving to another service and everyone else losing out.
It's not anything to do with trusting Apple or any other provider.
1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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They seem to be going all out to recruit Stevo at the moment with announcements about making the Civil Service more efficient and reviewing benefits.
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His conflicting inner battles must be a struggle.
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I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
What do you do when the lefties are out-torying the tories 🤷♂️
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As is obvious from my posting history, I am a Labour voter but would also like to think I am fairly objective when it comes to dishing out opinions.
My main issue is that so far, this govt seems massively preoccupied with the huge deficit left by the Tories, which is understandable. The problem is that cost cutting only works as a short term measure. If you want growth at some point you have to invest heavily and endure the short term pain. Look at the German plans for investment announced over the last week or so, that is the kind of direction a govt should take IMO. Targeting so called efficiencies in the CS and benefits system is a bit of a red herring, it really won't make any significant impact on the public purse or economic growth longer term
They also still seem caught up in trying to please people from all political spectrums with regards policy making. Don't bother, people elected a left govt, so implement policy on the left. Reform voters aren't going to vote labour so don't chase their vote. Also, most people really want a stronger economy and improved living standards. If you target economic growth that has a measurable impact across people from all incomes and backgrounds, you are far more likely to keep a broad range of people happy and keep yourself in govt for a longer period.
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It's almost as if politicians do not understand the statistical bell curve. There are always far more people in the centre than at the extremes.
For all their talk, so far Reeves and Starmer haven't shown that they have any real understanding as to how the economy works or how to help generate growth. The budget was very anti-growth with the significant increase in the cost of employing people, particularly those on lower wages.
I also think you are wrong MG about Reform voters. A lot of them are ex-Labour voting working class - remember the red wall? They are far from just ex-tories.
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Wanting to cut government waste and encourage people to work should not be seen as policies that are right wing. It's a success for the right that it should be seen automatically as abandoning Labour principles.
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I dunno, it disarms some of the right arguments about magic money trees blah, blah, blah.
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Cutting waste certainly isn't an issue. The problem succesive Governments find, no matter what side of centre they are, is that there isn't as much waste as gets suggested or the waste can't really be avoided in an efficeint manner. Encouraging people into work is definitely something any government should be doing, the tricky bit is doing it whilst also ensuring you protect those who trult can't work.
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What about sacking a few? Far too many of the lazy bustards 🙂
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Anyway, pity this thread didn't quite make it to its 10th anniversary of leftie bashing. It was good while it lasted.
'We had joy, we had fun, we had lefties on the run, but the joy didn't last, 'cos the bastards ran too fast' 😀
"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
I think that is part of the efficiency proposal along with moving them out of London. I can think of one ex-forumite that would be shocked to learn you can work somewhere other than London!
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I thought he recognised you can work outside London, but you can only be successful if you work in London?
If you work outside London you're a bit of a flop really, and have no ambition.
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i live in london, but work from wherever i am, and have done since the last century
obviously depends on the job, some things need physical presence, some have genuine security and/or technical constraints, but there're both organisations and people unable to operate remotely, stuck in the past, and scared of change
imo hanging onto physical presence in the civil service is a deliberate tactic to maintain the status quo, rather than transform
plenty of uk talent, but 'investment' seems to go to the usual usa names, 'automating' and thereby further entrenching inefficient workflows (great cash cows), rather than asking what's really needed and making the fundamental change needed
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Don't normally come on here as I believe politics and religion are the root of all evil. I'm guessing that Two Tier Keir things he's as cool as Gary glitter and his gang by copying bully boy trump and his silly side kick. Tories got it so wrong. Reform got it partially right but some people can't stomach the wide mouthed puppet in charge. Pretty sure he's a a trumpite puppet of sorts. Liberals are like WTF way to up themselves and the greens are to my way or no way. As you can see I really don't like politicians. All hail common sense and down with wokeism. Oh and RIP bike radar banterville.
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