Join the Labour Party and save your country!

pblakeney

rjsterry wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

So would you vote for Corbyn?

In case you missed the question, Looney...

Yes or no.

I know one person who has definitely voted for Corbyn .

Technical hitch. Very few people actually vote for the party leader. This is an exception.
That may be the end consequence in a GE, but it is not who they actually put their cross against.

That was partly my point.

That is the funny part.
It is quite possible that there is only one person on this site that has voted for Corbyn.

rjsterry

At least Sam Gyimah and George Freeman have a bit of self awareness.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... lost-their

Stevo_666

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

Although well dodged on my question of whether you would vote for a Corbyn led Labour

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

So would you vote for Corbyn?

In case you missed the question, Looney...

Yes or no.

I know one person who has definitely voted for Corbyn .

Technical hitch. Very few people actually vote for the party leader. This is an exception.
That may be the end consequence in a GE, but it is not who they actually put their cross against.

That was partly my point.

You know my aims

Unlike a few of you, either way it's not a wasted vote

orraloon

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

Although well dodged on my question of whether you would vote for a Corbyn led Labour

My dear fellow, this is t'internetz. None of the above may be true.

Stevo_666

orraloon wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

Although well dodged on my question of whether you would vote for a Corbyn led Labour

My dear fellow, this is t'internetz. None of the above may be true.

I thought only Brexiteers lied?

orraloon

orraloon wrote:

Whatever gave you that idea, you cxxx?

I refer you to my previous response to the fox's puppet.

Stevo_666

orraloon wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Whatever gave you that idea, you cxxx?

I refer you to my previous response to the fox's puppet.

You should be a politician with such a great ability not to answer straightforward questions. Might beat mowing lawns post Brexit

rjsterry

Guess who this quote is from

Today, the CBI is a grave menace to the political stability and economic prospects of the UK.

From whom should we be saving the country?

rolf_f

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

What would your recommendation be then?

Obviously the Tories are a non starter as they've presided over the catastrophe that is Brexit and potentially screwed the economy for 50 years (to paraphrase a well known Conservative Party minister and dipwad).
Obviously Labour is a non starter as nobody without rose tinted spectacles sees Corbyn as a solution to the problems that the Conservatives have caused - rather a cause of more problems if not on a decadal scale.

Presumably you think that Green and Libdem are wasted votes as they won't get in? But isn't that a bit simplistic? How else can Labour learn that Corbyn is a millstone without an election winning number of votes being lost to the Greens and Lib Dems?

Do you genuinely believe that any vote for a party that won't get in in that election is a wasted vote?

There's not many people dense enough on here (with the obvious odd exception!) to think that it is better to vote Conservative when you are left of centre rather than "wasting your vote" by voting Lib Dem!

In my case I did vote Labour last time in my marginal seat. Next time I will vote Lib Dem. Labour have learned nothing since then and Corbyn has had my one vote for him. I will next vote Labour after he is gone. I don't think that that is a wasted vote even if that attitude costs Labour a seat.

surrey_commuter

Rolf F wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

What would your recommendation be then?

Obviously the Tories are a non starter as they've presided over the catastrophe that is Brexit and potentially screwed the economy for 50 years (to paraphrase a well known Conservative Party minister and dipwad).
Obviously Labour is a non starter as nobody without rose tinted spectacles sees Corbyn as a solution to the problems that the Conservatives have caused - rather a cause of more problems if not on a decadal scale.

Presumably you think that Green and Libdem are wasted votes as they won't get in? But isn't that a bit simplistic? How else can Labour learn that Corbyn is a millstone without an election winning number of votes being lost to the Greens and Lib Dems?

Do you genuinely believe that any vote for a party that won't get in in that election is a wasted vote?

There's not many people dense enough on here (with the obvious odd exception!) to think that it is better to vote Conservative when you are left of centre rather than "wasting your vote" by voting Lib Dem!

In my case I did vote Labour last time in my marginal seat. Next time I will vote Lib Dem. Labour have learned nothing since then and Corbyn has had my one vote for him. I will next vote Labour after he is gone. I don't think that that is a wasted vote even if that attitude costs Labour a seat.

it would only cost Labour a seat if your non-vote deprived them of a majority of one and instead then made it a tie. Even then you would have the fallback of a toin coss to decide the outcome.

You are more likely to win the Lottery than cost Labour so vote for whoever you want, spoil your ballot paper or have a lie in.

john80

Rolf F wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

What would your recommendation be then?

Obviously the Tories are a non starter as they've presided over the catastrophe that is Brexit and potentially screwed the economy for 50 years (to paraphrase a well known Conservative Party minister and dipwad).
Obviously Labour is a non starter as nobody without rose tinted spectacles sees Corbyn as a solution to the problems that the Conservatives have caused - rather a cause of more problems if not on a decadal scale.

Presumably you think that Green and Libdem are wasted votes as they won't get in? But isn't that a bit simplistic? How else can Labour learn that Corbyn is a millstone without an election winning number of votes being lost to the Greens and Lib Dems?

Do you genuinely believe that any vote for a party that won't get in in that election is a wasted vote?

There's not many people dense enough on here (with the obvious odd exception!) to think that it is better to vote Conservative when you are left of centre rather than "wasting your vote" by voting Lib Dem!

In my case I did vote Labour last time in my marginal seat. Next time I will vote Lib Dem. Labour have learned nothing since then and Corbyn has had my one vote for him. I will next vote Labour after he is gone. I don't think that that is a wasted vote even if that attitude costs Labour a seat.

How much have the lib dems learnt after they kicked a generation of students to the kerb by ditching their free higher education pledge. I voted Labour once and they then immediately introduced tuition fees. Can't forgive either party for that I am afraid.

rolf_f

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

What would your recommendation be then?

Obviously the Tories are a non starter as they've presided over the catastrophe that is Brexit and potentially screwed the economy for 50 years (to paraphrase a well known Conservative Party minister and dipwad).
Obviously Labour is a non starter as nobody without rose tinted spectacles sees Corbyn as a solution to the problems that the Conservatives have caused - rather a cause of more problems if not on a decadal scale.

Presumably you think that Green and Libdem are wasted votes as they won't get in? But isn't that a bit simplistic? How else can Labour learn that Corbyn is a millstone without an election winning number of votes being lost to the Greens and Lib Dems?

Do you genuinely believe that any vote for a party that won't get in in that election is a wasted vote?

There's not many people dense enough on here (with the obvious odd exception!) to think that it is better to vote Conservative when you are left of centre rather than "wasting your vote" by voting Lib Dem!

In my case I did vote Labour last time in my marginal seat. Next time I will vote Lib Dem. Labour have learned nothing since then and Corbyn has had my one vote for him. I will next vote Labour after he is gone. I don't think that that is a wasted vote even if that attitude costs Labour a seat.

it would only cost Labour a seat if your non-vote deprived them of a majority of one and instead then made it a tie. Even then you would have the fallback of a toin coss to decide the outcome.

You are more likely to win the Lottery than cost Labour so vote for whoever you want, spoil your ballot paper or have a lie in.

Ahh, but I was being subtle on the internet - my comment was "even if that attitude costs labour a seat" so I'm not assuming my vote alone makes that difference. I know the Tory majority was greater than one (though it wasn't many) but it is the shared mindset that could (and should) cost Labour seats. I won't vote Conservative but it might be for the longer term good for Labour to lose seats such as mine and miss out on Govt because of it. A bit like a no deal Brexit might be for the longer term good by getting us back into the EU more promptly by being most spectacularly disastrous.

And, of course, my vote could cost Labour a seat if the result was a tie without my vote - then, effectively, I have a casting vote giving a majority of one to whoever I choose.

john80 wrote:

How much have the lib dems learnt after they kicked a generation of students to the kerb by ditching their free higher education pledge. I voted Labour once and they then immediately introduced tuition fees. Can't forgive either party for that I am afraid.

As you will fail to be able to forgive every political party in the world for whatever reason with that attitude. If nobody can make mistakes then before long you will have nobody to support. It's not a realistic mindset though I can sympathise with it!

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

What would your recommendation be then?

Obviously the Tories are a non starter as they've presided over the catastrophe that is Brexit and potentially screwed the economy for 50 years (to paraphrase a well known Conservative Party minister and dipwad).
Obviously Labour is a non starter as nobody without rose tinted spectacles sees Corbyn as a solution to the problems that the Conservatives have caused - rather a cause of more problems if not on a decadal scale.

Presumably you think that Green and Libdem are wasted votes as they won't get in? But isn't that a bit simplistic? How else can Labour learn that Corbyn is a millstone without an election winning number of votes being lost to the Greens and Lib Dems?

Do you genuinely believe that any vote for a party that won't get in in that election is a wasted vote?

There's not many people dense enough on here (with the obvious odd exception!) to think that it is better to vote Conservative when you are left of centre rather than "wasting your vote" by voting Lib Dem!

In my case I did vote Labour last time in my marginal seat. Next time I will vote Lib Dem. Labour have learned nothing since then and Corbyn has had my one vote for him. I will next vote Labour after he is gone. I don't think that that is a wasted vote even if that attitude costs Labour a seat.

it would only cost Labour a seat if your non-vote deprived them of a majority of one and instead then made it a tie. Even then you would have the fallback of a toin coss to decide the outcome.

You are more likely to win the Lottery than cost Labour so vote for whoever you want, spoil your ballot paper or have a lie in.

It is of course extremely rare for a single vote to make a difference. Only collectively do the votes change anything, which is how the system is supposed to work. But staying at home is absolutely guaranteed to change nothing.

surrey_commuter

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

What would your recommendation be then?

Obviously the Tories are a non starter as they've presided over the catastrophe that is Brexit and potentially screwed the economy for 50 years (to paraphrase a well known Conservative Party minister and dipwad).
Obviously Labour is a non starter as nobody without rose tinted spectacles sees Corbyn as a solution to the problems that the Conservatives have caused - rather a cause of more problems if not on a decadal scale.

Presumably you think that Green and Libdem are wasted votes as they won't get in? But isn't that a bit simplistic? How else can Labour learn that Corbyn is a millstone without an election winning number of votes being lost to the Greens and Lib Dems?

Do you genuinely believe that any vote for a party that won't get in in that election is a wasted vote?

There's not many people dense enough on here (with the obvious odd exception!) to think that it is better to vote Conservative when you are left of centre rather than "wasting your vote" by voting Lib Dem!

In my case I did vote Labour last time in my marginal seat. Next time I will vote Lib Dem. Labour have learned nothing since then and Corbyn has had my one vote for him. I will next vote Labour after he is gone. I don't think that that is a wasted vote even if that attitude costs Labour a seat.

it would only cost Labour a seat if your non-vote deprived them of a majority of one and instead then made it a tie. Even then you would have the fallback of a toin coss to decide the outcome.

You are more likely to win the Lottery than cost Labour so vote for whoever you want, spoil your ballot paper or have a lie in.

It is of course extremely rare for a single vote to make a difference. Only collectively do the votes change anything, which is how the system is supposed to work. But staying at home is absolutely guaranteed to change nothing.

by the same rationale if everybody stayed at home they would have to amend our medieval electoral system

rjsterry

Apathy is not a virtue. You can only change the system if you get elected to parliament in the first place. The Labour movement worked this out a hundred years ago.

kingstongraham

john80 wrote:

How much have the lib dems learnt after they kicked a generation of students to the kerb by ditching their free higher education pledge. I voted Labour once and they then immediately introduced tuition fees. Can't forgive either party for that I am afraid.

You only get to choose between the options available, you have to get over "not forgiving" them unless that lack of forgiveness means you would rather a Conservative government.

pblakeney

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

What would your recommendation be then?

Obviously the Tories are a non starter as they've presided over the catastrophe that is Brexit and potentially screwed the economy for 50 years (to paraphrase a well known Conservative Party minister and dipwad).
Obviously Labour is a non starter as nobody without rose tinted spectacles sees Corbyn as a solution to the problems that the Conservatives have caused - rather a cause of more problems if not on a decadal scale.

Presumably you think that Green and Libdem are wasted votes as they won't get in? But isn't that a bit simplistic? How else can Labour learn that Corbyn is a millstone without an election winning number of votes being lost to the Greens and Lib Dems?

Do you genuinely believe that any vote for a party that won't get in in that election is a wasted vote?

There's not many people dense enough on here (with the obvious odd exception!) to think that it is better to vote Conservative when you are left of centre rather than "wasting your vote" by voting Lib Dem!

In my case I did vote Labour last time in my marginal seat. Next time I will vote Lib Dem. Labour have learned nothing since then and Corbyn has had my one vote for him. I will next vote Labour after he is gone. I don't think that that is a wasted vote even if that attitude costs Labour a seat.

it would only cost Labour a seat if your non-vote deprived them of a majority of one and instead then made it a tie. Even then you would have the fallback of a toin coss to decide the outcome.

You are more likely to win the Lottery than cost Labour so vote for whoever you want, spoil your ballot paper or have a lie in.

It is of course extremely rare for a single vote to make a difference. Only collectively do the votes change anything, which is how the system is supposed to work. But staying at home is absolutely guaranteed to change nothing.

If everyone who didn't vote in the last GE could be persuaded to vote Green in the next GE then the political landscape could be dramatically different.

Stevo_666

PBlakeney wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

What would your recommendation be then?

Obviously the Tories are a non starter as they've presided over the catastrophe that is Brexit and potentially screwed the economy for 50 years (to paraphrase a well known Conservative Party minister and dipwad).
Obviously Labour is a non starter as nobody without rose tinted spectacles sees Corbyn as a solution to the problems that the Conservatives have caused - rather a cause of more problems if not on a decadal scale.

Presumably you think that Green and Libdem are wasted votes as they won't get in? But isn't that a bit simplistic? How else can Labour learn that Corbyn is a millstone without an election winning number of votes being lost to the Greens and Lib Dems?

Do you genuinely believe that any vote for a party that won't get in in that election is a wasted vote?

There's not many people dense enough on here (with the obvious odd exception!) to think that it is better to vote Conservative when you are left of centre rather than "wasting your vote" by voting Lib Dem!

In my case I did vote Labour last time in my marginal seat. Next time I will vote Lib Dem. Labour have learned nothing since then and Corbyn has had my one vote for him. I will next vote Labour after he is gone. I don't think that that is a wasted vote even if that attitude costs Labour a seat.

it would only cost Labour a seat if your non-vote deprived them of a majority of one and instead then made it a tie. Even then you would have the fallback of a toin coss to decide the outcome.

You are more likely to win the Lottery than cost Labour so vote for whoever you want, spoil your ballot paper or have a lie in.

It is of course extremely rare for a single vote to make a difference. Only collectively do the votes change anything, which is how the system is supposed to work. But staying at home is absolutely guaranteed to change nothing.

If everyone who didn't vote in the last GE could be persuaded to vote Green in the next GE then the political landscape could be dramatically different.

Nice theory.

Squadron of pigs on standby...

surrey_commuter

Stevo 666 wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

What would your recommendation be then?

Obviously the Tories are a non starter as they've presided over the catastrophe that is Brexit and potentially screwed the economy for 50 years (to paraphrase a well known Conservative Party minister and dipwad).
Obviously Labour is a non starter as nobody without rose tinted spectacles sees Corbyn as a solution to the problems that the Conservatives have caused - rather a cause of more problems if not on a decadal scale.

Presumably you think that Green and Libdem are wasted votes as they won't get in? But isn't that a bit simplistic? How else can Labour learn that Corbyn is a millstone without an election winning number of votes being lost to the Greens and Lib Dems?

Do you genuinely believe that any vote for a party that won't get in in that election is a wasted vote?

There's not many people dense enough on here (with the obvious odd exception!) to think that it is better to vote Conservative when you are left of centre rather than "wasting your vote" by voting Lib Dem!

In my case I did vote Labour last time in my marginal seat. Next time I will vote Lib Dem. Labour have learned nothing since then and Corbyn has had my one vote for him. I will next vote Labour after he is gone. I don't think that that is a wasted vote even if that attitude costs Labour a seat.

it would only cost Labour a seat if your non-vote deprived them of a majority of one and instead then made it a tie. Even then you would have the fallback of a toin coss to decide the outcome.

You are more likely to win the Lottery than cost Labour so vote for whoever you want, spoil your ballot paper or have a lie in.

It is of course extremely rare for a single vote to make a difference. Only collectively do the votes change anything, which is how the system is supposed to work. But staying at home is absolutely guaranteed to change nothing.

If everyone who didn't vote in the last GE could be persuaded to vote Green in the next GE then the political landscape could be dramatically different.

Nice theory.

Squadron of pigs on standby...

Is it even a nice theory.

Blakey - do you have the analysis for how many seats they would win? There has to be a chance that they could get 30% of the vote and still get bugger all seats.

pblakeney

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Is it even a nice theory.

Blakey - do you have the analysis for how many seats they would win? There has to be a chance that they could get 30% of the vote and still get bugger all seats.

No I don't. It is a response to those who say votes are wasted. Even some seats would change things in a hung parliament. Tory, Labour, distant middle ground Liberal, or protest votes is not a good system.

rjsterry

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Rolf F wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Nah nah Mr Deflection666, that old trope don't work on me.

But given my MP is Airhead Leadsom (face palm) and I live in a part of Ingerlaand where a wheely bin would get voted in as long as it was coloured blue, though said wheely bin would in all likelihood be more sensible than Airhead, in the interests of opacity here's my hypothetical voting preference list, if anybody is actually interested.

Green
libDem
Labour
Tory
Bucketheads aka UKIP

How far down that list before I would abstain? Well, never voted Torybastard in my life and cannot see a scenario where that ever happens. Tick.

OK so I have your party preference, looks like you're wasting your vote.

What would your recommendation be then?

Obviously the Tories are a non starter as they've presided over the catastrophe that is Brexit and potentially screwed the economy for 50 years (to paraphrase a well known Conservative Party minister and dipwad).
Obviously Labour is a non starter as nobody without rose tinted spectacles sees Corbyn as a solution to the problems that the Conservatives have caused - rather a cause of more problems if not on a decadal scale.

Presumably you think that Green and Libdem are wasted votes as they won't get in? But isn't that a bit simplistic? How else can Labour learn that Corbyn is a millstone without an election winning number of votes being lost to the Greens and Lib Dems?

Do you genuinely believe that any vote for a party that won't get in in that election is a wasted vote?

There's not many people dense enough on here (with the obvious odd exception!) to think that it is better to vote Conservative when you are left of centre rather than "wasting your vote" by voting Lib Dem!

In my case I did vote Labour last time in my marginal seat. Next time I will vote Lib Dem. Labour have learned nothing since then and Corbyn has had my one vote for him. I will next vote Labour after he is gone. I don't think that that is a wasted vote even if that attitude costs Labour a seat.

it would only cost Labour a seat if your non-vote deprived them of a majority of one and instead then made it a tie. Even then you would have the fallback of a toin coss to decide the outcome.

You are more likely to win the Lottery than cost Labour so vote for whoever you want, spoil your ballot paper or have a lie in.

It is of course extremely rare for a single vote to make a difference. Only collectively do the votes change anything, which is how the system is supposed to work. But staying at home is absolutely guaranteed to change nothing.

If everyone who didn't vote in the last GE could be persuaded to vote Green in the next GE then the political landscape could be dramatically different.

Nice theory.

Squadron of pigs on standby...

Is it even a nice theory.

Blakey - do you have the analysis for how many seats they would win? There has to be a chance that they could get 30% of the vote and still get bugger all seats.

Never mind all that, SC. When are you going to stand against Grayling?

Stevo_666

PBlakeney wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Is it even a nice theory.

Blakey - do you have the analysis for how many seats they would win? There has to be a chance that they could get 30% of the vote and still get bugger all seats.

No I don't. It is a response to those who say votes are wasted. Even some seats would change things in a hung parliament. Tory, Labour, distant middle ground Liberal, or protest votes is not a good system.

Anyone whose preferred party does not get enough votes to be in power is more likely to complain about 'the system'.

surrey_commuter

Stevo 666 wrote:

PBlakeney wrote:

Surrey Commuter wrote:

Is it even a nice theory.

Blakey - do you have the analysis for how many seats they would win? There has to be a chance that they could get 30% of the vote and still get bugger all seats.

No I don't. It is a response to those who say votes are wasted. Even some seats would change things in a hung parliament. Tory, Labour, distant middle ground Liberal, or protest votes is not a good system.

Anyone whose preferred party does not get enough votes to be in power is more likely to complain about 'the system'.

And that is the most depressing aspect of our electoral system - anybody in a position to amend it will not do so

rjsterry

I see the "preferred party" are fighting like rats in a sack again. A shame it will all be lost in a slanging match over Brexit, Chequers and a leadership challenge as there were actually some interesting ideas about housing in there. There's an awful lot of complete b******s as well, but maybe if his ego could bear it he could focus on just that one issue.

tailwindhome

rjsterry

Entryism alive and well in Totnes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -brexiters

Concerning that the other parties seem to be following Labour's mistake and going for numbers without thinking of the consequences.

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Entryism alive and well in Totnes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -brexiters

Concerning that the other parties seem to be following Labour's mistake and going for numbers without thinking of the consequences.

I suppose the Lib Dems don't really have that problem as you need to have MP's in the first place

rjsterry

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Entryism alive and well in Totnes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -brexiters

Concerning that the other parties seem to be following Labour's mistake and going for numbers without thinking of the consequences.

I suppose the Lib Dems don't really have that problem as you need to have MP's in the first place

Badoom-tish. Unfortunately the Invisible Man was proposing opening up membership at the LD conference this year. That said, you might stand out a bit as a LD constituency member arguing for deselection because the sitting MP wasn't pro-Brexit enough.

Stevo_666

rjsterry wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

rjsterry wrote:

Entryism alive and well in Totnes.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -brexiters

Concerning that the other parties seem to be following Labour's mistake and going for numbers without thinking of the consequences.

I suppose the Lib Dems don't really have that problem as you need to have MP's in the first place

Badoom-tish. Unfortunately the Invisible Man was proposing opening up membership at the LD conference this year. That said, you might stand out a bit as a LD constituency member arguing for deselection because the sitting MP wasn't pro-Brexit enough.

I suppose they could get challenged for not wanting to join the single currency or not advocating surrendering all rights to govern to Brussels. Although you need to get over the MP hurdle first