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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    I think I might throw my vote away on the green party or LibDems.

    It's a Tory /Labour fight with small majorities each election. Mind you the Tory candidate is really trying to be a good constituency mp so I feel bad for him that Cameron and every tory leader since has been incompetent / dealt a bad hand by their predecessor.

    Of only I was a constituency North and I'd be in a LibDem stronghold seat with a former leader who won the seat and turned a blue area into his. Mind you I'd have to vote something else because LibDems don't do much but pick leaders.

    Glad I'm not south of here. Really dislike Cat the Labour stooge. One of the youngest new intakes for Labour (of the last proper GE, I don't really include TM's cockup) and she's got the rising star wannabe thing going on l think. It feels like she's in bed with momentum and Corbyn. Big turnout from out of town unionistas and momentum activists for the last GE because she was a serious risk of seat loss. The previous election she was so close the count was checked a few times.

    Did anyone watch BBC news show where they run through the papers late Saturday night I think? A socialist journo and former union insider (PR type for a union) said the shadow chancellor was the one to watch. He's been quietly working away on some very important policies to improve workers lot. Big policies. Best policies ever. (just realised she made him sound like Trump). Seriously it sounded like she was letting it out that he's going to be the next leader of the Labour Party. There's something of the shadow about that guy. If you told me he slept on earth in a coffin I might believe you!

    If he's a decent MP then vote for him. Whether they are any good at doing the mundane day-to-day stuff is at least as important as what colour rosette they wear.
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  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    rjsterry wrote:
    It's been obvious for some time that John McDonnell is aching to take over from Jeremy. I think he'd actually be a better leader but he won't take the party in a direction that will appeal outside of core support.
    .

    Well God forbid Corbyn or JM ever do become PM that they don't take us in the direction of their beloved Venezuela
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 43,463
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Mind you the Tory candidate is really trying to be a good constituency mp so I feel bad for him that Cameron and every tory leader since has been incompetent / dealt a bad hand by their predecessor.

    Slightly confused by this statement. Hasn't there only been one Tory leader since Cameron?
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,152
    Pross wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Mind you the Tory candidate is really trying to be a good constituency mp so I feel bad for him that Cameron and every tory leader since has been incompetent / dealt a bad hand by their predecessor.

    Slightly confused by this statement. Hasn't there only been one Tory leader since Cameron?

    There was the pro-remain ex home secretary, and then the one we've got now.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    An interesting take on the employee shares idea that Labour are floating.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... take-firms

    Particularly noteworthy is that it hasn't been immediately shouted down by the Conservative-leaning press (although the CBI don't like it), indeed it's not that far off some of May's pre-2017 rhetoric. Should the Conservatives nick the idea?
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    Pross wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    Mind you the Tory candidate is really trying to be a good constituency mp so I feel bad for him that Cameron and every tory leader since has been incompetent / dealt a bad hand by their predecessor.

    Slightly confused by this statement. Hasn't there only been one Tory leader since Cameron?

    There was the pro-remain ex home secretary, and then the one we've got now.
    Also the ex foreign secretary probably thought he was the boss too.

    Nope, you spotted my obvious mistake I mean deliberate mistake. :D
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    rjsterry wrote:
    It's been obvious for some time that John McDonnell is aching to take over from Jeremy. I think he'd actually be a better leader in that he wouldn't rush to sit on every fence going, but he won't take the party in a direction that will appeal outside of core support.

    Edit: just read that in an interview JM has stated that he believes the next Labour leader will be a woman. Maybe he wants to stay as the power behind the throne.
    That's as scary IMHO as him being leader. I've always thought JM was the real power behind Corbyn. I see him as a kind of Dracula figure running things out of the sunlight.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,328
    The new Alistair Cambell?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,407
    rjsterry wrote:
    An interesting take on the employee shares idea that Labour are floating.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... take-firms

    Particularly noteworthy is that it hasn't been immediately shouted down by the Conservative-leaning press (although the CBI don't like it), indeed it's not that far off some of May's pre-2017 rhetoric. Should the Conservatives nick the idea?
    Populist move with very narrow application and full of holes from an economic logic perspective, as you'd expect from New Old Labour.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    An interesting take on the employee shares idea that Labour are floating.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... take-firms

    Particularly noteworthy is that it hasn't been immediately shouted down by the Conservative-leaning press (although the CBI don't like it), indeed it's not that far off some of May's pre-2017 rhetoric. Should the Conservatives nick the idea?
    Populist move with very narrow application and full of holes from an economic logic perspective, as you'd expect from New Old Labour.
    Obviously, but not really the point I or the author of the article was making. Populism is having quite a good run at the moment, unfortunately.
    1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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  • crispybug2
    crispybug2 Posts: 2,915
    Just checked the latest opinion polls and again, despite facing the most inept government for decades, Labour are still four points behind the Conservatives.

    How the f*ck is this happening and, more importantly, why the f*ck isn’t this being discussed by top table of the Labour Party?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,407
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    An interesting take on the employee shares idea that Labour are floating.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... take-firms

    Particularly noteworthy is that it hasn't been immediately shouted down by the Conservative-leaning press (although the CBI don't like it), indeed it's not that far off some of May's pre-2017 rhetoric. Should the Conservatives nick the idea?
    Populist move with very narrow application and full of holes from an economic logic perspective, as you'd expect from New Old Labour.
    Obviously, but not really the point I or the author of the article was making. Populism is having quite a good run at the moment, unfortunately.
    Not the point they were making, it was the point I was making. Unfortunately for them (as pointed out above) Labour are still behind in the polls - maybe this is why they are resorting to what looks like giving awayfree stuff to the man in the street.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,407
    crispybug2 wrote:
    Just checked the latest opinion polls and again, despite facing the most inept government for decades, Labour are still four points behind the Conservatives.

    How the f*ck is this happening and, more importantly, why the f*ck isn’t this being discussed by top table of the Labour Party?
    Great news isn't it :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    crispybug2 wrote:
    Just checked the latest opinion polls and again, despite facing the most inept government for decades, Labour are still four points behind the Conservatives.

    How the f*ck is this happening and, more importantly, why the f*ck isn’t this being discussed by top table of the Labour Party?

    At a guess it's because there's enough of us left who remember how bad it was in the 70s when the UK last had a government similar to what Corbyns Labour looks like. Those that don't remember that far back may have seen recent events unfolding in Venezuela and been put off by the idea.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Heard a labour rebel (yes a centre left person) ask whether you'd prefer a labour government to buy back shares in private companies or put the money towards schools and the nhs? Put utilities into the hands of the labour chancellor or spend it on education or other investment for the future?

    So labour are coming across as a shower of Lefties in their conference. Tories coming after them right? So how can TM and the Brexiteers make the tories look worse than the Labour cranks? I bet they will screw themselves over somehow.
  • robert88
    robert88 Posts: 2,696
    Shortfall wrote:
    crispybug2 wrote:
    Just checked the latest opinion polls and again, despite facing the most inept government for decades, Labour are still four points behind the Conservatives.

    How the f*ck is this happening and, more importantly, why the f*ck isn’t this being discussed by top table of the Labour Party?

    At a guess it's because there's enough of us left who remember how bad it was in the 70s when the UK last had a government similar to what Corbyns Labour looks like. Those that don't remember that far back may have seen recent events unfolding in Venezuela and been put off by the idea.

    It seems impossible for the UK to have a government that is middle of the road. Either it is hi-jacked by the right or by the left.

    If you drove a car like that you'd be pulled over and breathalysed!
  • shortfall
    shortfall Posts: 3,288
    Robert88 wrote:
    Shortfall wrote:
    crispybug2 wrote:
    Just checked the latest opinion polls and again, despite facing the most inept government for decades, Labour are still four points behind the Conservatives.

    How the f*ck is this happening and, more importantly, why the f*ck isn’t this being discussed by top table of the Labour Party?

    At a guess it's because there's enough of us left who remember how bad it was in the 70s when the UK last had a government similar to what Corbyns Labour looks like. Those that don't remember that far back may have seen recent events unfolding in Venezuela and been put off by the idea.

    It seems impossible for the UK to have a government that is middle of the road. Either it is hi-jacked by the right or by the left.

    If you drove a car like that you'd be pulled over and breathalysed!

    Well I'm no apologist for the Tories and particularly Theresa May, but if anyone thinks the answers to our current problems lie in the Marxist manifesto outlined by John McDonnell yesterday then I don't think they remember ( and have yet to discover) just how bad things can get under the hard left.
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    edited September 2018
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    An interesting take on the employee shares idea that Labour are floating.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... take-firms

    Particularly noteworthy is that it hasn't been immediately shouted down by the Conservative-leaning press (although the CBI don't like it), indeed it's not that far off some of May's pre-2017 rhetoric. Should the Conservatives nick the idea?
    Populist move with very narrow application and full of holes from an economic logic perspective, as you'd expect from New Old Labour.
    Obviously, but not really the point I or the author of the article was making. Populism is having quite a good run at the moment, unfortunately.
    Not the point they were making, it was the point I was making. Unfortunately for them (as pointed out above) Labour are still behind in the polls - maybe this is why they are resorting to what looks like giving awayfree stuff to the man in the street.

    It worked for the Leave campaign, Trump, etc. It being overall a bad idea is no protection against people voting for it. It might not be enough to win but the Conservatives might want to up their game (beyond shrieking "look at Venezuela!") if they want to avoid being in hock to the weirdos and niche interests.
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  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    rjsterry wrote:
    It's been obvious for some time that John McDonnell is aching to take over from Jeremy. I think he'd actually be a better leader in that he wouldn't rush to sit on every fence going, but he won't take the party in a direction that will appeal outside of core support.

    Edit: just read that in an interview JM has stated that he believes the next Labour leader will be a woman. Maybe he wants to stay as the power behind the throne.

    If there is a God, then that woman would be Diane Abbott :lol:
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    God's gift to the Tories?
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    God's gift to the Tories?
    That really is clutching at straws.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    It'll be Emily Thornberry or that long-Bailey. Wasn't there a Rayner making the rounds of question time and the like? Good luck to them if they try it.
  • bompington
    bompington Posts: 7,674
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    It'll be Emily Thornberry or that long-Bailey. Wasn't there a Rayner making the rounds of question time and the like? Good luck to them if they try it.
    The way they're going, the first female labour leader might not even be female.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    rjsterry wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    God's gift to the Tories?
    That really is clutching at straws.
    I'm a tory with TM as leader. If Diane Abbott is the text labour leader I'll clutch that straw because right now the Tories seem as useless as labour.
  • ballysmate
    ballysmate Posts: 15,930
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    It'll be Emily Thornberry or that long-Bailey. Wasn't there a Rayner making the rounds of question time and the like? Good luck to them if they try it.

    If we can't have Di, then Emily would be my second choice. She too, is as thick as a brick.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    It'll be Emily Thornberry or that long-Bailey. Wasn't there a Rayner making the rounds of question time and the like? Good luck to them if they try it.

    If we can't have Di, then Emily would be my second choice. She too, is as thick as a brick.
    Anyone seen Cat Smith on TV? Is she any good? Shadow Minister for youth engagement. In other words momentum surely?
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,407
    Ballysmate wrote:
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    It'll be Emily Thornberry or that long-Bailey. Wasn't there a Rayner making the rounds of question time and the like? Good luck to them if they try it.

    If we can't have Di, then Emily would be my second choice. She too, is as thick as a brick.
    I guess she connects well with the Labour core voter base :)
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,407
    rjsterry wrote:
    Stevo 666 wrote:
    rjsterry wrote:
    An interesting take on the employee shares idea that Labour are floating.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... take-firms

    Particularly noteworthy is that it hasn't been immediately shouted down by the Conservative-leaning press (although the CBI don't like it), indeed it's not that far off some of May's pre-2017 rhetoric. Should the Conservatives nick the idea?
    Populist move with very narrow application and full of holes from an economic logic perspective, as you'd expect from New Old Labour.
    Obviously, but not really the point I or the author of the article was making. Populism is having quite a good run at the moment, unfortunately.
    Just because it worked for some people doesn't mean it is a universally good idea - the offer of 'free stuff' clearly didn't work in the last GE and it doesn't seem to be working now. Although they also have to overcome the drawback that many outside of their core support regard them as hard left nut jobs.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,553
    I'm not sure anything worked for any party in the last GE.
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  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,407
    rjsterry wrote:
    I'm not sure anything worked for any party in the last GE.
    It think you can say something worked for the winners.
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]

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