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Stevo_666

And the latest from the Labour Looney Tunes conference - nationalise the internet
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45631787

tailwindhome

The Labour Party seem to be having a breakdown.

bompington

Stevo 666 wrote:

And the latest from the Labour Looney Tunes conference - nationalise the internet
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45631787

Well, it works for China... :?

shortfall

TailWindHome wrote:

The Labour Party seem to be having a breakdown.

Poor timing for them too. The Tories are in utter disarray and yet rather than capitalise on their weakness, the Labour party has decided that this is the best possible time to announce the sort of policies that made them unelectable for a generation.
Go figure as they say across the Atlantic.

tangled_metal

Does anyone think being last in the conference schedule is a risk? Labour's shambles might get forgotten with the tory shambles next week.

crispybug2

Tangled Metal wrote:

Does anyone think being last in the conference schedule is a risk? Labour's shambles might get forgotten with the tory shambles next week.

Not really

The Tories have been a shitshower ever since Corbyn was elected leader and yet at no point have Labour been in front in the polls, the Tories will hardly be quaking in their boots.

orraloon

Long game innit. Don't get elected in next 5+ years. Let Tories suffer ongoing factional infighting while country suffers the full horrors of the Brexit the Tories created. Then when the mess is well and truly visible to all inc The Stupids, Labour can offer the new broom to sort it all out and get a run of 2-3 terms in power. Simples.

briantrumpet

orraloon wrote:

Long game innit. Don't get elected in next 5+ years. Let Tories suffer ongoing factional infighting while country suffers the full horrors of the Brexit the Tories created. Then when the mess is well and truly visible to all inc The Stupids, Labour can offer the new broom to sort it all out and get a run of 2-3 terms in power. Simples.

I certainly won't forget if they are the ones that, by failing to be an opposition, let this pile of poo come to pass. Corbyn is firmly in the Brexit bus with the Tories, but won't admit it: McDonnell is offering a 'referendum' where the all the boxes say "yes" to Brexit.

rjsterry

crispybug2 wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Does anyone think being last in the conference schedule is a risk? Labour's shambles might get forgotten with the tory shambles next week.

Not really

The Tories have been a shitshower ever since Corbyn was elected leader and yet at no point have Labour been in front in the polls, the Tories will hardly be quaking in their boots.

Not actually true. They were nosing ahead before the antisemitism issue kicked off (again). IIRC, the more detailed polling showed that the policies were popular but a lot are still put off by JC himself. Which is why JM is talking about the next leader.

rjsterry

briantrumpet wrote:

orraloon wrote:

Long game innit. Don't get elected in next 5+ years. Let Tories suffer ongoing factional infighting while country suffers the full horrors of the Brexit the Tories created. Then when the mess is well and truly visible to all inc The Stupids, Labour can offer the new broom to sort it all out and get a run of 2-3 terms in power. Simples.

I certainly won't forget if they are the ones that, by failing to be an opposition, let this pile of poo come to pass. Corbyn is firmly in the Brexit bus with the Tories, but won't admit it: McDonnell is offering a 'referendum' where the all the boxes say "yes" to Brexit.

All despite rapturous applause when Starmer suggested that a second ref should include a remain option. So much for party democracy.

Barry Gardiner's tweet that TWH posted was particularly disgusting.

ballysmate

A former Labour MP's slant on Starmer's suggestion.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... referendum

ballysmate

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... conference

Harking back nearly 30 years either shows how Labour is mired in the past, how great Thatch was or both.

Margaret Hilda, take a bow. Dead for 5 and a half years and still tormenting lefties.

robert88

I suspect Thatcher can take credit for Brexit. Notably the former mining communities on whom she set dogs all those years ago were strongest for leaving the EU.

rjsterry

Ballysmate wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/25/tuesday-at-the-labour-party-conference

Harking back nearly 30 years either shows how Labour is mired in the past, how great Thatch was or both.

Margaret Hilda, take a bow. Dead for 5 and a half years and still tormenting lefties.

It was a bit bizarre, that. Also the call for a general strike from one MP (hastily dismissed this morning as not party policy) suggests a lot of them are only listening to themselves.

robert88

From a Labour Party speech:

"If . . . we achieve terms satisfactory for Britain on the lines we have outlined, then negotiations will succeed. But..we no longer face the challenge of Europe cap in hand. Europe needs us just as much, and
many would say more, than we need Europe. It is the common interest of all of us to achieve economic
unity, and if this cannot be achieved, we can stand on our own feet. At a heavy price for Britain, no doubt, but at a heavier price for Europe, and at a devastating price for Europe's influence in the world."

rjsterry

Robert88 wrote:

From a Labour Party speech:

"If . . . we achieve terms satisfactory for Britain on the lines we have outlined, then negotiations will succeed. But..we no longer face the challenge of Europe cap in hand. Europe needs us just as much, and
many would say more, than we need Europe. It is the common interest of all of us to achieve economic
unity, and if this cannot be achieved, we can stand on our own feet. At a heavy price for Britain, no doubt, but at a heavier price for Europe, and at a devastating price for Europe's influence in the world."

Pfft. What a load of pompous guff. I'm surprised the phrase "ruled the waves" wasn't in there.

robert88

rjsterry wrote:

Robert88 wrote:

From a Labour Party speech:

"If . . . we achieve terms satisfactory for Britain on the lines we have outlined, then negotiations will succeed. But..we no longer face the challenge of Europe cap in hand. Europe needs us just as much, and
many would say more, than we need Europe. It is the common interest of all of us to achieve economic
unity, and if this cannot be achieved, we can stand on our own feet. At a heavy price for Britain, no doubt, but at a heavier price for Europe, and at a devastating price for Europe's influence in the world."

Pfft. What a load of pompous guff. I'm surprised the phrase "ruled the waves" wasn't in there.

Just for you:

https://youtu.be/9v9C5N8Wcpg

rjsterry

If a speaker has to resort to vague unsubstantiated threats - "right I'm warning you! This'll be worse for you than it will for me." - you know they don't really have an argument.

shortfall

https://order-order.com/2018/09/26/mait ... ws-abbott/

Diane Abbott, the gift that keeps on giving. I could equally have put this in "Seeming Trivial Things That Cheer You Up".

Stevo_666

Shortfall wrote:

https://order-order.com/2018/09/26/maitlis-shows-abbott/

Diane Abbott, the gift that keeps on giving. I could equally have put this in "Seeming Trivial Things That Cheer You Up".

She of the extraordinary mathematical skills
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/diane-abbot-lbc-interview-in-full-police-officer-pay-manifesto-radio-nick-ferrari-a7713556.html

orraloon

You know Stevo this whole politico mess is down to you and your like. Keep the Tories in at all costs eh? Yeah, get Jerry as leader of Labour. What could go wrong?

Only Tory f-wittery to the extreme, Brexit and all this socially divisive utter bollox. Happy days.

rjsterry

There was a tiny chink when he admitted that David Davis's resignation was an obstacle out of the way, but otherwise everything is absolutely fine with no room for improvement.

rjsterry

Shortfall wrote:

https://order-order.com/2018/09/26/maitlis-shows-abbott/

Diane Abbott, the gift that keeps on giving. I could equally have put this in "Seeming Trivial Things That Cheer You Up".

Pfft. Old news. Corbyn being boxed in on Brexit policy by the internal party democracy he has championed is much better schadenfreude.

Stevo_666

orraloon wrote:

You know Stevo this whole politico mess is down to you and your like. Keep the Tories in at all costs eh? Yeah, get Jerry as leader of Labour. What could go wrong?

Only Tory f-wittery to the extreme, Brexit and all this socially divisive utter bollox. Happy days.

That's the name of the game...and it's been fun so far.

Admittedly I'll never be as good as tormenting leftie losers as the late great Mrs. T, but practice make perfect

rjsterry

Just watched the coverage of Corbyn's conference speech and he genuinely concluded the speech by channeling Bob the Builder.

Stevo_666

orraloon wrote:

You know Stevo this whole politico mess is down to you and your like. Keep the Tories in at all costs eh? Yeah, get Jerry as leader of Labour. What could go wrong?

Only Tory f-wittery to the extreme, Brexit and all this socially divisive utter bollox. Happy days.

Oh and Loony, would you seriously vote for the socialist shower of s**t formerly known as the Labour party?

tailwindhome

rjsterry wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

https://order-order.com/2018/09/26/maitlis-shows-abbott/

Diane Abbott, the gift that keeps on giving. I could equally have put this in "Seeming Trivial Things That Cheer You Up".

Pfft. Old news. Corbyn being boxed in on Brexit policy by the internal party democracy he has championed is much better schadenfreude.

Nope

Scheming to reduce Tom Watson's influence by adding a 2nd and female deputy leader. Only to abandon that plan on the realization that the female deputy leader may be popular and attempt to oust the Dear Leader resulting in Tom Watson declaring a missed opportunity to advance equality in the labour movement.

That's priceless.

pblakeney

Living in a country where a shower of incompetents are only slightly rated below a shower of useless. Britain is not great any more.

Stevo_666

PBlakeney wrote:

Living in a country where a shower of incompetents are only slightly rated below a shower of useless. Britain is not great any more.

OK, let's vote Lib Dem and solve all our problems

pblakeney

There are no good options, only picking the least bad.
Not great, is it?