BREXIT - Is This Really Still Rumbling On? 😴
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Were they all speaking Esperanto?kingstongraham said:Last time I went to Europe I couldn't tell whether I was in France, Spain or Italy. Basically all the same now, aren't they? I assume Germany is too, but haven't been there in years.
Norway still feels proudly Norwegian though.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Just seemed odd as vets generally specialise in live animals, not dead animal produce. Like I said, classic EU rule.tailwindhome said:
Dunno tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Certify that it is what though?tailwindhome said:
CreamStevo_666 said:
A worthy EU rule.tailwindhome said:Logistics manager doing his nut at work because he can't get a load of Baileys from a supplier in England onto a ferry
Needs a vet certificate before it can be moved
In all likelihood it originated in Belfast before being delivered to England.
What exactly does the vet have to certify in relation to bottles of Baileys?
Anything of animal origin needs a veterinary health certificate. What that checks specifically I've no idea. I do believe it's not just an EU thing and is standard across borders in different SPS regulatory environments. The UK will insist on the same from the EU (when the systems are set up) as it does from other countries
It's a huge problem for the NI Protocol as a Tesco lorry may contain 100s of product lines each requiring a cert.
EDIT It's an 'Export Health Certificate that the product meets EU regulations
https://www.google.com/amp/s/spice-spotlight.scot/2020/11/30/after-the-transition-period-export-health-certificates/amp/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
OkStevo_666 said:
Just seemed odd as vets generally specialise in live animals, not dead animal produce. Like I said, classic EU rule.tailwindhome said:
Dunno tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Certify that it is what though?tailwindhome said:
CreamStevo_666 said:
A worthy EU rule.tailwindhome said:Logistics manager doing his nut at work because he can't get a load of Baileys from a supplier in England onto a ferry
Needs a vet certificate before it can be moved
In all likelihood it originated in Belfast before being delivered to England.
What exactly does the vet have to certify in relation to bottles of Baileys?
Anything of animal origin needs a veterinary health certificate. What that checks specifically I've no idea. I do believe it's not just an EU thing and is standard across borders in different SPS regulatory environments. The UK will insist on the same from the EU (when the systems are set up) as it does from other countries
It's a huge problem for the NI Protocol as a Tesco lorry may contain 100s of product lines each requiring a cert.
EDIT It's an 'Export Health Certificate that the product meets EU regulations
https://www.google.com/amp/s/spice-spotlight.scot/2020/11/30/after-the-transition-period-export-health-certificates/amp/
“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!0 -
Assume so. Glad we kept our opt out.pblakeney said:
Were they all speaking Esperanto?kingstongraham said:Last time I went to Europe I couldn't tell whether I was in France, Spain or Italy. Basically all the same now, aren't they? I assume Germany is too, but haven't been there in years.
Norway still feels proudly Norwegian though.0 -
Have you not been paying attention?Stevo_666 said:
Just seemed odd as vets generally specialise in live animals, not dead animal produce. Like I said, classic EU rule.tailwindhome said:
Dunno tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Certify that it is what though?tailwindhome said:
CreamStevo_666 said:
A worthy EU rule.tailwindhome said:Logistics manager doing his nut at work because he can't get a load of Baileys from a supplier in England onto a ferry
Needs a vet certificate before it can be moved
In all likelihood it originated in Belfast before being delivered to England.
What exactly does the vet have to certify in relation to bottles of Baileys?
Anything of animal origin needs a veterinary health certificate. What that checks specifically I've no idea. I do believe it's not just an EU thing and is standard across borders in different SPS regulatory environments. The UK will insist on the same from the EU (when the systems are set up) as it does from other countries
It's a huge problem for the NI Protocol as a Tesco lorry may contain 100s of product lines each requiring a cert.
EDIT It's an 'Export Health Certificate that the product meets EU regulations
https://www.google.com/amp/s/spice-spotlight.scot/2020/11/30/after-the-transition-period-export-health-certificates/amp/
Anyway. http://apha.defra.gov.uk/official-vets/Guidance/exports/ehc-online.htm
It's not just for EU countries, but EU countries still require them. Think we need them from other countries too.0 -
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kingstongraham said:
Last time I went to Europe I couldn't tell whether I was in France, Spain or Italy. Basically all the same now, aren't they? I assume Germany is too, but haven't been there in years.
Do they all speak European?0 -
I believe it's called "Foreign".briantrumpet said:kingstongraham said:Last time I went to Europe I couldn't tell whether I was in France, Spain or Italy. Basically all the same now, aren't they? I assume Germany is too, but haven't been there in years.
Do they all speak European?0 -
I agree people feel strongly about these identities. That's why they're so popular with politicians. Look how well nationalism has worked for people like Sturgeon.Dorset_Boy said:
So you think your Savoie resident doesn't fell French? (Just pulling one example at 'random').verylonglegs said:
I nearly commented on that too, incredible to read people actually feel like that.rjsterry said:
🤣Dorset_Boy said:
Had the eurocrats not been so keen on the supranationalism that so few European citizens seem to want, then the UK would almost certainly still be a member of the EU.ddraver said:If Macron won a second term it would actually be a stunning achievement. The French don't grant their politicians a Round 2.
Le Pen is the Johnson/Trump of the French and unfortunately, it seems people need to feel just how much it hurts to punch themselves in the face before they stop clamouring for it.
Le Pen has had the good sense to go very quiet on Frexit, Brexit having demonstrated so clearly that it's not a good idea.
(it might not do the EU any harm to hold off on the supranationalism for a few years)
Free trade, freedom of movement, much of the harmonisation of standards were all great benefits. The ever further integration towards a single super state, whilst trying to supress individidual national identities, was and remains a huge concern.
Oh please. I can't think of a continent more obsessed with their supposed national identities. The irony is that most of these identities are 19th century inventions to try and paper over the cracks of countries cobbled together from this duchy or that principality.
I know RJSTerry doesn't believe in nation states, but a huge number of other people across the continent do feel a strong identity with their country and can recognise how those boundaries have been cobbled together over time.
You also seem to confuse what the eurocrat wants, rather than individual political leaders.
BTW, Savoy was only annexed by France in 1860. At the time, there were rival movements to become part of Italy or Switzerland.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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You'll have to explain that link, as it isn't obvious what point you're trying to make with it.kingstongraham said:
Have you not been paying attention?Stevo_666 said:
Just seemed odd as vets generally specialise in live animals, not dead animal produce. Like I said, classic EU rule.tailwindhome said:
Dunno tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Certify that it is what though?tailwindhome said:
CreamStevo_666 said:
A worthy EU rule.tailwindhome said:Logistics manager doing his nut at work because he can't get a load of Baileys from a supplier in England onto a ferry
Needs a vet certificate before it can be moved
In all likelihood it originated in Belfast before being delivered to England.
What exactly does the vet have to certify in relation to bottles of Baileys?
Anything of animal origin needs a veterinary health certificate. What that checks specifically I've no idea. I do believe it's not just an EU thing and is standard across borders in different SPS regulatory environments. The UK will insist on the same from the EU (when the systems are set up) as it does from other countries
It's a huge problem for the NI Protocol as a Tesco lorry may contain 100s of product lines each requiring a cert.
EDIT It's an 'Export Health Certificate that the product meets EU regulations
https://www.google.com/amp/s/spice-spotlight.scot/2020/11/30/after-the-transition-period-export-health-certificates/amp/
Anyway. http://apha.defra.gov.uk/official-vets/Guidance/exports/ehc-online.htm
It's not just for EU countries, but EU countries still require them. Think we need them from other countries too."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Glad you agree.tailwindhome said:
OkStevo_666 said:
Just seemed odd as vets generally specialise in live animals, not dead animal produce. Like I said, classic EU rule.tailwindhome said:
Dunno tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Certify that it is what though?tailwindhome said:
CreamStevo_666 said:
A worthy EU rule.tailwindhome said:Logistics manager doing his nut at work because he can't get a load of Baileys from a supplier in England onto a ferry
Needs a vet certificate before it can be moved
In all likelihood it originated in Belfast before being delivered to England.
What exactly does the vet have to certify in relation to bottles of Baileys?
Anything of animal origin needs a veterinary health certificate. What that checks specifically I've no idea. I do believe it's not just an EU thing and is standard across borders in different SPS regulatory environments. The UK will insist on the same from the EU (when the systems are set up) as it does from other countries
It's a huge problem for the NI Protocol as a Tesco lorry may contain 100s of product lines each requiring a cert.
EDIT It's an 'Export Health Certificate that the product meets EU regulations
https://www.google.com/amp/s/spice-spotlight.scot/2020/11/30/after-the-transition-period-export-health-certificates/amp/"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]1 -
Isn’t the issue that you (like me) have no idea why the rule is there? But you choose the blame the EU, rather than find out why the rule is there in the first place. Not very logical really.Stevo_666 said:
Just seemed odd as vets generally specialise in live animals, not dead animal produce. Like I said, classic EU rule.tailwindhome said:
Dunno tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Certify that it is what though?tailwindhome said:
CreamStevo_666 said:
A worthy EU rule.tailwindhome said:Logistics manager doing his nut at work because he can't get a load of Baileys from a supplier in England onto a ferry
Needs a vet certificate before it can be moved
In all likelihood it originated in Belfast before being delivered to England.
What exactly does the vet have to certify in relation to bottles of Baileys?
Anything of animal origin needs a veterinary health certificate. What that checks specifically I've no idea. I do believe it's not just an EU thing and is standard across borders in different SPS regulatory environments. The UK will insist on the same from the EU (when the systems are set up) as it does from other countries
It's a huge problem for the NI Protocol as a Tesco lorry may contain 100s of product lines each requiring a cert.
EDIT It's an 'Export Health Certificate that the product meets EU regulations
https://www.google.com/amp/s/spice-spotlight.scot/2020/11/30/after-the-transition-period-export-health-certificates/amp/0 -
Maybe you did go to Germany but did realise it.kingstongraham said:Last time I went to Europe I couldn't tell whether I was in France, Spain or Italy. Basically all the same now, aren't they? I assume Germany is too, but haven't been there in years.
Norway still feels proudly Norwegian though.0 -
You said it was a classic EU rule. But an EHC is (and has been) needed for exports of animal products to non-EU countries.Stevo_666 said:
You'll have to explain that link, as it isn't obvious what point you're trying to make with it.kingstongraham said:
Have you not been paying attention?Stevo_666 said:
Just seemed odd as vets generally specialise in live animals, not dead animal produce. Like I said, classic EU rule.tailwindhome said:
Dunno tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Certify that it is what though?tailwindhome said:
CreamStevo_666 said:
A worthy EU rule.tailwindhome said:Logistics manager doing his nut at work because he can't get a load of Baileys from a supplier in England onto a ferry
Needs a vet certificate before it can be moved
In all likelihood it originated in Belfast before being delivered to England.
What exactly does the vet have to certify in relation to bottles of Baileys?
Anything of animal origin needs a veterinary health certificate. What that checks specifically I've no idea. I do believe it's not just an EU thing and is standard across borders in different SPS regulatory environments. The UK will insist on the same from the EU (when the systems are set up) as it does from other countries
It's a huge problem for the NI Protocol as a Tesco lorry may contain 100s of product lines each requiring a cert.
EDIT It's an 'Export Health Certificate that the product meets EU regulations
https://www.google.com/amp/s/spice-spotlight.scot/2020/11/30/after-the-transition-period-export-health-certificates/amp/
Anyway. http://apha.defra.gov.uk/official-vets/Guidance/exports/ehc-online.htm
It's not just for EU countries, but EU countries still require them. Think we need them from other countries too.
Depends on the destination and product. We're not in the EU and the agreement doesn't cover it, so exporters need it.0 -
No point crying over spilt milk.0
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🙄 No, they're heavily involved in that, too. For pretty obvious reasons*. It's not exclusively an EU rule; it's fairly standard where animal products are shipped from one territory to another. NAFTA has an SPS regime, too. But for ideological opposition to anything EU, we'd ordinarily be getting on and negotiating an SPS agreement.Stevo_666 said:
Just seemed odd as vets generally specialise in live animals, not dead animal produce. Like I said, classic EU rule.tailwindhome said:
Dunno tbh.Stevo_666 said:
Certify that it is what though?tailwindhome said:
CreamStevo_666 said:
A worthy EU rule.tailwindhome said:Logistics manager doing his nut at work because he can't get a load of Baileys from a supplier in England onto a ferry
Needs a vet certificate before it can be moved
In all likelihood it originated in Belfast before being delivered to England.
What exactly does the vet have to certify in relation to bottles of Baileys?
Anything of animal origin needs a veterinary health certificate. What that checks specifically I've no idea. I do believe it's not just an EU thing and is standard across borders in different SPS regulatory environments. The UK will insist on the same from the EU (when the systems are set up) as it does from other countries
It's a huge problem for the NI Protocol as a Tesco lorry may contain 100s of product lines each requiring a cert.
EDIT It's an 'Export Health Certificate that the product meets EU regulations
https://www.google.com/amp/s/spice-spotlight.scot/2020/11/30/after-the-transition-period-export-health-certificates/amp/
*In case they're not: SPS regimes are intended to contain any outbreaks of disease, so that they don't spread and wreak havoc with our entire food production system. Animal-based food products are an almost perfect way to spread a disease around geographically and across species. See BSE as an example. Vets have the necessary knowledge of microbiology and disease control and are already involved in the husbandry and slaughter of animals for consumption, so it's a small side step to certifying animal products for export.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
Part of the anti-growth coalition1 -
Some people need to accept that we've left and stop moaning about it.2
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The hq of the EU is in Brussels of all places.rjsterry said:
I agree people feel strongly about these identities. That's why they're so popular with politicians. Look how well nationalism has worked for people like Sturgeon.Dorset_Boy said:
So you think your Savoie resident doesn't fell French? (Just pulling one example at 'random').verylonglegs said:
I nearly commented on that too, incredible to read people actually feel like that.rjsterry said:
🤣Dorset_Boy said:
Had the eurocrats not been so keen on the supranationalism that so few European citizens seem to want, then the UK would almost certainly still be a member of the EU.ddraver said:If Macron won a second term it would actually be a stunning achievement. The French don't grant their politicians a Round 2.
Le Pen is the Johnson/Trump of the French and unfortunately, it seems people need to feel just how much it hurts to punch themselves in the face before they stop clamouring for it.
Le Pen has had the good sense to go very quiet on Frexit, Brexit having demonstrated so clearly that it's not a good idea.
(it might not do the EU any harm to hold off on the supranationalism for a few years)
Free trade, freedom of movement, much of the harmonisation of standards were all great benefits. The ever further integration towards a single super state, whilst trying to supress individidual national identities, was and remains a huge concern.
Oh please. I can't think of a continent more obsessed with their supposed national identities. The irony is that most of these identities are 19th century inventions to try and paper over the cracks of countries cobbled together from this duchy or that principality.
I know RJSTerry doesn't believe in nation states, but a huge number of other people across the continent do feel a strong identity with their country and can recognise how those boundaries have been cobbled together over time.
You also seem to confuse what the eurocrat wants, rather than individual political leaders.
BTW, Savoy was only annexed by France in 1860. At the time, there were rival movements to become part of Italy or Switzerland.
What would Brussels know about regional identities, hmm?0 -
That wins the internet for today.kingstongraham said:Some people need to accept that we've left and stop moaning about it.
I feel a whoosh moment coming on though.0 -
morstar said:
That wins the internet for today.kingstongraham said:Some people need to accept that we've left and stop moaning about it.
I feel a whoosh moment coming on though.
Maybe if one closes one's eyes it might just go away...0 -
But we never needed it before this year- why did the EU change the rules?ddraver said:It's got milk
Milk goes off
Gone off milk makes people sick
You want to check that products entering your country won't make people sick
None of this is controversial0 -
Because we want to the SOvrEiGnTy to make a US Trade Deal which has lower food standards and consequently higher rates of food poisoning.
Reduced imports of Bailey's frankly sounds like a rare BbbREXIT Bbbenefit to me...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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@tailwindhome lives in the same country. The question is whether his Bailey's consumption will have any impact on the EU, and whether this impact is sufficiently material to risk the peace.ddraver said:It's got milk
Milk goes off
Gone off milk makes people sick
You want to check that products entering your country won't make people sick
None of this is controversial
Furthermore, if sausage rolls and Baileys are such high risk items, then the protocol may well be voted out in four years.
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A benefit for the EUddraver said:Because we want to the SOvrEiGnTy to make a US Trade Deal which has lower food standards and consequently higher rates of food poisoning.
Reduced imports of Bailey's frankly sounds like a rare BbbREXIT Bbbenefit to me...0 -
Where would you put the non-tariff barriers?TheBigBean said:
@tailwindhome lives in the same country. The question is whether his Bailey's consumption will have any impact on the EU, and whether this impact is sufficiently material to risk the peace.ddraver said:It's got milk
Milk goes off
Gone off milk makes people sick
You want to check that products entering your country won't make people sick
None of this is controversial
Furthermore, if sausage rolls and Baileys are such high risk items, then the protocol may well be voted out in four years.0 -
In the paperwork and labelling.kingstongraham said:
Where would you put the non-tariff barriers?TheBigBean said:
@tailwindhome lives in the same country. The question is whether his Bailey's consumption will have any impact on the EU, and whether this impact is sufficiently material to risk the peace.ddraver said:It's got milk
Milk goes off
Gone off milk makes people sick
You want to check that products entering your country won't make people sick
None of this is controversial
Furthermore, if sausage rolls and Baileys are such high risk items, then the protocol may well be voted out in four years.0 -
For trade between who?TheBigBean said:
In the paperwork and labelling.kingstongraham said:
Where would you put the non-tariff barriers?TheBigBean said:
@tailwindhome lives in the same country. The question is whether his Bailey's consumption will have any impact on the EU, and whether this impact is sufficiently material to risk the peace.ddraver said:It's got milk
Milk goes off
Gone off milk makes people sick
You want to check that products entering your country won't make people sick
None of this is controversial
Furthermore, if sausage rolls and Baileys are such high risk items, then the protocol may well be voted out in four years.0 -
Feel the need to clarify that the Baileys isn't for personal consumption“New York has the haircuts, London has the trousers, but Belfast has the reason!2
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What are the options if the protocol gets voted out.TheBigBean said:
@tailwindhome lives in the same country. The question is whether his Bailey's consumption will have any impact on the EU, and whether this impact is sufficiently material to risk the peace.ddraver said:It's got milk
Milk goes off
Gone off milk makes people sick
You want to check that products entering your country won't make people sick
None of this is controversial
Furthermore, if sausage rolls and Baileys are such high risk items, then the protocol may well be voted out in four years.
I had thought the current rules were a fairly natural result of starting off at a flow chart where your inputs are no visible land border, the UK not being in a Customs Union and there not being magic technology to implement an invisible border.
It's conceivable that different sets of negotiating teams and policiticians may be moe flexible and have less bad blood between them I guess. But it's difficult to see anyone in the UK gaining political power through arguing to be "softer" towards EU negotiations.0
