Transfers 2016 : Rumours and fact
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L'Equipe reports J-R Bernaudeau has said if he can't find a sponsor in next 15 days all Europcar riders are free to sign elsewhere for 2016.
Rick's ban hammer comes out
Sky dopage threads proliferate
Europcar/Bouyeges/BBox/Brioches can't find a sponsor and will imminently close
Yup, its July!"In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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L'Equipe reports J-R Bernaudeau has said if he can't find a sponsor in next 15 days all Europcar riders are free to sign elsewhere for 2016.
Thinking about it, this might not be so bad. Istr a date was set of the end of tour. Fifteen days might mean they have someone in negotiations.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
Only looking for 5.5m euroContador is the Greatest0
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Just saw Intxausti to Sky too. Can't re-find the (trustworthy) tweet I saw it on though.0
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Another talent dons the black kit. Well at least it means Sky will field a proper contender at the Giro. I wonder what happens to Heano now. Landa can't TT for toffee although no doubt Sky will sort that out along with his weight. Sky have very little home grown talent these days, almost all bought in and developed elsewhere. There should work on nurturing young talent.
I wonder if Landa goes back to his 2014 form or maintains his huge step up to 2015 Giro form. If he does then at 25 then he makes Froome and Porte look old and has a nice career ahead.[/quote]
I see Landa as more a Contador style rider than a typical sky type. A's much as I enjoy Froome really nailing climbs it's not as pretty or as natural looking as Landa rides and I hope he doesn't lose that.
Kwia has just seen the big cheque and bolted best he can look forward to now is a few Paris Nice wins. No way will he ever climb with the true GC boys or second teir GC boys. In fact I bet at the next GC race they are both in Aliphiphe destroys* him
*maybe not destroy but beat.It's not so much about winning, I just hate losing.0 -
Spanish invasion at Sky. Landa, Intxausti, and the Izagirre brothers all reportedly heading there.
That's a lot of new blood reportedly coming in: the 4 Spaniards, Kwiatkowski, Moscon, and the two young Brits.0 -
^Alaphilippe is definitely one who looks likely to ride GC well.
Sky continue their trend of buying in talent rather than creating it. From Spain no less.Contador is the Greatest0 -
Pat putting off Cav's Mr. 10% until Paris now, according to his column."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Spanish invasion at Sky. Landa, Intxausti, and the Izagirre brothers all reportedly heading there.
Sky need Spanish speakers to help them order drinks when they are out in Majorca and Teneriffe all winter.
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Has there been any word of riders leaving Sky apart from Porte? If the rumoured 6 or so riders join, you'd expect quite the clear out at the end of the year.0
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Has there been any word of riders leaving Sky apart from Porte? If the rumoured 6 or so riders join, you'd expect quite the clear out at the end of the year.
Not yet but I suspect they may clear out the following:
P Kennaugh - Would do good at a team like MTM-Qubeka
B Swift - Will more down a level
X Zandio - Retire
C Sutton - Only there because of Shane
D Lopez - ?
C Knees - ?0 -
Spanish invasion at Sky. Landa, Intxausti, and the Izagirre brothers all reportedly heading there.
That's a lot of new blood reportedly coming in: the 4 Spaniards, Kwiatkowski, Moscon, and the two young Brits.
By my reckoning, that's still gonna need another couple heading out of the door.Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy0 -
They've a fair few at the end of contracts. Brailsford has said before he likes one year of big turnover.
I think out of contract: Pate, Boswell, Nieve, Zandio, Eisel both Henaos, Earle, Wiggins (obvs), Kennaugh, Viviani. Don't know about Knees, Sutton, or the two Belarusians.
Personally I don't think Tao will be going there this year.0 -
^Alaphilippe is definitely one who looks likely to ride GC well.
Sky continue their trend of buying in talent rather than creating it. From Spain no less.
there's 5 brits in their tour team.
they're signing the basque riders from another power house, it's not like they're asset stripping from the little teams."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
Have a look at their roster and see how few riders on there have been created and nurtured by them. They are not very good and this and frankly I don't think they are interested in it.Contador is the Greatest0
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Have a look at their roster and see how few riders on there have been created and nurtured by them. They are not very good and this and frankly I don't think they are interested in it.
I think any team would be pleased with Kennaugh, Thomas, Stannard, Rowe, Wiggins (if we count BC: The Early Years), Cavendish (ditto) all of which spent time at BC before Sky came into being. And Froome from absolute beginnings too.
As mentioned Wiggins wedge will cover at least 3/4 of that lot, surely."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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Have a look at their roster and see how few riders on there have been created and nurtured by them. They are not very good and this and frankly I don't think they are interested in it.
Reading from various sources it seems they scout out specialists for certain roles and don't really seem interested in nurturing, rather using the assett until such a time that its broken metally or physically. Look at EBH, after 2012 when he came second in the worlds and was a stragetic part of Cavs leadout at the tour, he then fell from grace as he narrowly missed targets, nowadays he looks a happier man at MTN...0 -
Froome, Thomas, Kennaugh, Stannard, Rowe, Nordhaug, Henao, Henao, Swift, Puccio, Boswell, Earle. 12 of 28 have been almost entirely developed at/by Sky.
I'd bet that's favourable to Tinkoff, Movistar, or Astana, and pretty comparable to Etixx.0 -
Have a look at their roster and see how few riders on there have been created and nurtured by them. They are not very good and this and frankly I don't think they are interested in it.
Well, SKY are also sponsoring Team Wiggins so maybe they're planning on nurturing British talent there?"It must be true, it's on the internet" - Winston Churchill0 -
Have a look at their roster and see how few riders on there have been created and nurtured by them. They are not very good and this and frankly I don't think they are interested in it.
I'm happy to pick this up and run with it.
Let's take a look at yesterday Contador (7 years elsewhere before being bought in by Tinkoff/Riis) was aided by Rogers (12 years elsewhere, in his 3rd year at Tinkoff) and Sagan (4 years Leakygas, signed at mega-money this season by Tinkoff). Home grown?
A quick shuffle through the Tinkoff line up doesn't exactly bolster confidence in the "talent building" departments of that team either does it? Majka and Juul-Jensen both turned pro with them but otherwise it's a hotbed of the usual bed-jumping talent that one would expect to see in say, the Sky squad
Basso, Beltran, Bennatti, Boaro, Bodnar have all served their time elsewhere, Breschel is a Riis disciple, Contador (as mentioned above), Hansen, Hernandex, Kiserlovski all bought in........ do you really want me to continue?
If you want to REALLY stretch a point Brutt rode for Tinkoff back in 07/08 but that was in the middle of the trip around the far eastern european teams that so many of those riders seem to do, the same could be said for Petrov.
So as this is your new soap box from which you'd like to stand and preach I assume you'll be matching your ideals with your supporters values and picking a new team that has a genuine interest in developing talent and a rider that's come through their system.Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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Not one to usually agree with FF, but wasn't one of Sky's original aims to bring through and nurture it's own talent. Hence the outcry of the lack of British riders in last years Tour team.
On the other hand, with their success in the Tour they probably want to spread that over the classic's and the other 2 GT's and they certainly have the budget to do so. Much easier to dominate with the chequebook than to groom the next lot of stars.0 -
Why is Bernie out of favour at SKY? He has done a great job for them n'est pas?0
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[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19662060#p19662060]The Loyal Lieutenant[/url] wrote:Why is Bernie out of favour at SKY? He has done a great job for them n'est pas?
what makes you think he's out of favour? he rode the big classics and the giro. i'd think they had to decide on two of him, rowe and stannard for the tour"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19662060#p19662060]The Loyal Lieutenant[/url] wrote:Why is Bernie out of favour at SKY? He has done a great job for them n'est pas?
what makes you think he's out of favour? he rode the big classics and the giro. i'd think they had to decide on two of him, rowe and stannard for the tour
One of the posters above suggesting his contract wouldn't be renewed?0 -
All of them were signed by sky. Not all have developed or nurtured at sky, and certainly not Earle. Boswell and Puccio haven't pulled up any trees yet and that isn't counting riders like Domvrowski. Tend to agree with frenchie on this, sky's record with neo pros is chequered, especially non Brits.Froome, Thomas, Kennaugh, Stannard, Rowe, Nordhaug, Henao, Henao, Swift, Puccio, Boswell, Earle. 12 of 28 have been almost entirely developed at/by Sky.
I'd bet that's favourable to Tinkoff, Movistar, or Astana, and pretty comparable to Etixx.0 -
[url=http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19662060#p19662060]The Loyal Lieutenant[/url] wrote:Why is Bernie out of favour at SKY? He has done a great job for them n'est pas?
He's not out of favour with the team - it's Froome. Froome doesn't like him at all. Blocked him from the 2013 squad, and Brailsford had to insist on Bernie being include in the 2014 squad at the last minute when Henao crashed out of TdS. Why the hating? Started with Froome seeing him as a Wiggins ally - same with Christian Knees.
Bernie will, I think, stay at Sky till he retires and then become a DS there.0 -
Another one leaving Sky will be Earle. I understand his contract's not being renewed.
By the way: Boswell. Need to understand with Boswell it's a case of him taking longer to develop and mature at WT level. However this year the results are starting to come. His 3rd on the ToC queen stage beating wunderkid Dombrowski into 4th, and pacing back Henao when the latter was struggling and coming in with him, was a sure sign of that.
As for anyone ragging on Sky for failing to develop Dombrowski is barking up the wrong tree by ignoring the physical medical issues he's had. With the exception of ToC, he was out of action for almost the entire 2014 season. Pleased to see those issues put to bed and him getting some decent results this season with Garmindale.0 -
All of them were signed by sky. Not all have developed or nurtured at sky, and certainly not Earle. Boswell and Puccio haven't pulled up any trees yet and that isn't counting riders like Domvrowski. Tend to agree with frenchie on this, sky's record with neo pros is chequered, especially non Brits.Froome, Thomas, Kennaugh, Stannard, Rowe, Nordhaug, Henao, Henao, Swift, Puccio, Boswell, Earle. 12 of 28 have been almost entirely developed at/by Sky.
I'd bet that's favourable to Tinkoff, Movistar, or Astana, and pretty comparable to Etixx.
Every team's record with neo pros is chequered. Sky clearly like to take it slow with the vast majority of their neo pros, and every neo pro that joins should be aware of that.
Boswell has certainly made a big jump this year. 3rd up Mt Baldy, even after doing a huge pull on the front for Henao, then re-catching Henao and dragging him to the line. There was (probably false) talk of him being in the Tour team. Vuelta he'll be strong.
Puccio has had a similar trajectory to Rowe - getting stronger each year, doing a more important role each year. Really his race schedule shows what the team think of him (Omloop, KBK, Strade Bianchi -13th, Tirreno, MSR, E3, RVV, Roubaix, Giro). If commentators could recognise him they'd point him out in the important parts of races a lot more than they do.
Even Nathan Earle is playing a more important role than last year, and if he's there next year - RR2 (welcome back!) would know better than me - he'll take another step up. Take Lars-Petter Nordhaug, signed at a similar age to Earle, and it wasn't until year 3 that they gave him a chance to lead.0 -
All of them were signed by sky. Not all have developed or nurtured at sky, and certainly not Earle. Boswell and Puccio haven't pulled up any trees yet and that isn't counting riders like Domvrowski. Tend to agree with frenchie on this, sky's record with neo pros is chequered, especially non Brits.Froome, Thomas, Kennaugh, Stannard, Rowe, Nordhaug, Henao, Henao, Swift, Puccio, Boswell, Earle. 12 of 28 have been almost entirely developed at/by Sky.
I'd bet that's favourable to Tinkoff, Movistar, or Astana, and pretty comparable to Etixx.
Every team's record with neo pros is chequered. Sky clearly like to take it slow with the vast majority of their neo pros, and every neo pro that joins should be aware of that.
Absolutely and it's not surprising. This is elite sport. There are very, very few opportunities for anyone to take the step up into proper Pro/Tour level. It's no different to U21 football. Progression is very limited and very difficult, you've got to prove yourself not just better than those around you but you are looking to replace an existing talent. That opportunity doesn't just present itself and it's not the fault of the teams if they can't produce talent that is better than what they currently have!Trail fun - Transition Bandit
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Former world champion and ex-BMC rider Alessandro Ballan is back from his ban on 17 August and is probably going to sign with United Healthcare.
http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=81727&tp=n0
