Transfers 2016 : Rumours and fact

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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Looks like Cav will be on a Cervelo next season... interesting.

    Team is basically Cervelo-Highroad redux with a charity angle thrown in... non?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,661
    Expensive for him presumably.
  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,784
    EBH has no case to grumble. In any case they need to squad depth to cover such a busy race calender so he'll get his chances, but has proved over and over that he cant win a sprint.
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  • Don't understand a few of the above remarks... Cavendish moving to MTN won't make them like Sky - quite the opposite. Now if they can recreate HTC... that's great for global cycling fans everywhere.

    that depends whether you are tied up in the lead out chain Nic. Farrar and EBH etc appear to have had some freedom this year. do they want to be put in harness? If they are OK about it then yes I agree it could be exciting but they might be thinking "Not that again"
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    Presumably with Cav focusing on Rio he's going to be tied up track training for the first half of the year ... giving all those classics specialists (EBH, Farrar et al) free reign...

    Come the TdF you can understand why Meintjes left tho...
  • Are MTN guaranteed a TDF slot?
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  • dinyull
    dinyull Posts: 2,979
    With Cav, yes.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,253
    Are MTN guaranteed a TDF slot?
    Even without Cavendish they would have been. They did everything that could be expected for a debutant wild card team this year.
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  • philbar72
    philbar72 Posts: 2,229
    Are MTN guaranteed a TDF slot?
    Even without Cavendish they would have been. They did everything that could be expected for a debutant wild card team this year.

    I'd suggest they punched well above their weight this year. VERY visible. which is good, and a couple of GT stage wins (i think).
  • Are MTN guaranteed a TDF slot?
    Even without Cavendish they would have been. They did everything that could be expected for a debutant wild card team this year.

    I'd suggest they punched well above their weight this year. VERY visible. which is good, and a couple of GT stage wins (i think).

    Absolutely and they got a couple of jersey days with Tekkers
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  • This yearning for a 'Highroad' repeat is almost as bad as proclaiming as 'the new Merckx' every strong young rider who emerges onto the scene

    Highroad took advantage for a massive gap in sprint organisation in the peloton. Even if Cav were still the fastest sprinter in the business (which is questionable), the sprints and the sprinters teams have evolved.

    Remember, reuniting him with Renshaw at Quickstep was going to propel Cav to the top again? Didnt happen.
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    This yearning for a 'Highroad' repeat is almost as bad as proclaiming as 'the new Merckx' every strong young rider who emerges onto the scene

    Highroad took advantage for a massive gap in sprint organisation in the peloton. Even if Cav were still the fastest sprinter in the business (which is questionable), the sprints and the sprinters teams have evolved.

    Remember, reuniting him with Renshaw at Quickstep was going to propel Cav to the top again? Didnt happen.

    This.

    Recently I was looking at Cavendish's win record early on in his career. It was impressive. But when you see the guy in 2nd place quite a lot was Farrar it does show there wasn't the depth of competition then too. Highhorse brought a lot to the sport, but other teams have learnt and do similar things.

    I'm sure he'll still be very successful, just nowhere near previous levels.
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  • gsk82
    gsk82 Posts: 3,599
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    I'm not sure anyone is expecting a return to the Highroad sprint train days... times have changed and the riders have aged.

    But Team DD is an interesting confluence of a bunch of cycling characters with a background in doing things a bit different or at least shaking up the established order...
  • JackPozzi
    JackPozzi Posts: 1,191
    I'm not sure anyone is expecting a return to the Highroad sprint train days... times have changed and the riders have aged.

    But Team DD is an interesting confluence of a bunch of cycling characters with a background in doing things a bit different or at least shaking up the established order...

    Please no....
  • I'm not sure anyone is expecting a return to the Highroad sprint train days... times have changed and the riders have aged.

    But Team DD is an interesting confluence of a bunch of cycling characters with a background in doing things a bit different or at least shaking up the established order...


    Team Dolan Driver? :shock:
  • This yearning for a 'Highroad' repeat is almost as bad as proclaiming as 'the new Merckx' every strong young rider who emerges onto the scene

    Highroad took advantage for a massive gap in sprint organisation in the peloton. Even if Cav were still the fastest sprinter in the business (which is questionable), the sprints and the sprinters teams have evolved.

    Remember, reuniting him with Renshaw at Quickstep was going to propel Cav to the top again? Didnt happen.

    This.

    Recently I was looking at Cavendish's win record early on in his career. It was impressive. But when you see the guy in 2nd place quite a lot was Farrar it does show there wasn't the depth of competition then too. Highhorse brought a lot to the sport, but other teams have learnt and do similar things.

    I'm sure he'll still be very successful, just nowhere near previous levels.

    Admit it, you just wanted to reprise Highhorse
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  • And he was still routinely beating greipel, a still decent Pettachi, mcewen, Friere, Farrar, Hushovd etc etc.

    I know we're all cynical old nags here, but he remains one of the greatest GT sprinters of all times. Going all revisionist on it is just contrary
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  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    And he was still routinely beating greipel, a still decent Pettachi, mcewen, Friere, Farrar, Hushovd etc etc.

    I know we're all cynical old nags here, but he remains one of the greatest GT sprinters of all times. Going all revisionist on it is just contrary

    Sure, of course, never suggested otherwise. You could flip it around and say maybe Farrar wasn't as toilet as people think he is, and now he'll be in a sprint train.

    And as he gets older, it will become more difficult to win races.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • And he was still routinely beating greipel, a still decent Pettachi, mcewen, Friere, Farrar, Hushovd etc etc.

    I know we're all cynical old nags here, but he remains one of the greatest GT sprinters of all times. Going all revisionist on it is just contrary

    Sure, of course, never suggested otherwise. You could flip it around and say maybe Farrar wasn't as toilet as people think he is, and now he'll be in a sprint train.

    And as he gets older, it will become more difficult to win races.

    I think we're agreeing... for shame.

    I don't reckon Farrar was that bad. I think numbers wise he must have something or Garmin wouldnt have kept kept extending him. Plus he can hold his beer
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  • I'm not sure anyone is expecting a return to the Highroad sprint train days... times have changed and the riders have aged.

    But Team DD is an interesting confluence of a bunch of cycling characters with a background in doing things a bit different or at least shaking up the established order...


    Team Dolan Driver? :shock:

    My fifteen minutes of fame. :lol:

    Team DD.
  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    AND Kittel to EQS according to Belgian press... Buying himself out of his giant contract.
  • effillo
    effillo Posts: 257
    Makes perfect sense for Kittel, as long as EQS can sort out a decent lead out for him. Giant are backing JD more and more, which sort of makes sense considering how this season went, plus in Dumoilin they have a GT confender, just hope they don't put everything behind him as no doubt he'll be off to one of the top paying teams before too long and Giant will be left without again.
  • gweeds
    gweeds Posts: 2,613
    Could see a change of focus for Giant then, to the hillier stuff along with GT's but that's a big shift that will need some significant personnel changes beyond offloading Kittel.

    Assumes that Kittel is over his illness otherwise a gamble for Etixx. The peloton is a better place for an in-form Kittel though.

    I'm just not sure Cav is the sprinter he was.
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    I've been saying that Giant have got internal issues. So little wonder that Kittel stopped firing after the initial virus. Doesn't bode well for Cheng if they're going to focus less on the sprints.

    Given that EQS never really got a sprint train up and running for Cav, Kittle may have to re-invent himself a bit. Plus I think that the real sprint talent at EQS is Gaviria.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
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    “We saw what he can do on even tough courses like this year’s British national championships. He didn’t win but was raced really hard without thinking about a possible sprint finish. He actually loves to get stick and is a naturally astute race. Without taking anything way from his previous teams, I think we’ll see a different Cav with us in 2016. We have a different approach, a different philosophy, we want the riders to go out and enjoy their racing. I think if Mark gives up a few sprint chances but races more with his heart, it’ll motivate him even more and the team as a whole. We don’t want to pigeonhole Mark as just a sprinter. I think he can be far more than that.”

    It's basically what he's done already this year. So, less sprint trains and more hunting for wins, which would be great if it really happnes and he pulls it off.
  • That out of contract list makes amazing reading.

    If only I have a few Mill to make it happen :)
  • philbar72
    philbar72 Posts: 2,229
    Could see a change of focus for Giant then, to the hillier stuff along with GT's but that's a big shift that will need some significant personnel changes beyond offloading Kittel.

    Assumes that Kittel is over his illness otherwise a gamble for Etixx. The peloton is a better place for an in-form Kittel though.

    I'm just not sure Cav is the sprinter he was.

    He's lost his second kick. Apparently. Anyone that knows where he left it should drop him a line on his facebok page (sic).

    the truth is that the leadout train for EQS never really worked because others were actually better at it, and Cav was either over reliant on it or not doing what he did so effectively which was to know exactly when to jump on to the right wheel, it also mystifies me that their best leadout train was not taken to the tour, with Sabatini being dropped (and he was actually a key component of this)). its almost like he's between a rock and a hard place and he found it difficult to adapt. At MTN he will be "the man" again. the other thing i worry about is that Renshaw is nowhere near his previous standard.

    Maybe he missed bernie.

    I think Kittel to EQS will give them the sprint wins if he recovers from the virus. I also think Giant will be more visble on the hilly/ mountain races. And Degenkolb will win more next year.
  • That out of contract list makes amazing reading.

    If only I have a few Mill to make it happen :)


    The Cav move has been one of the main things holding up the transfer market, but also many of 'em will have new contracts/extensions already in their pockets just waiting for the team to announce
  • Anonymous
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    Lidl to sponsor Etixx Quickstep next year