Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

Poppa Wheelie

jollygiant wrote:

When you say "top them up" how much and how often? The full 60ml once every 2 months or just when you get a puncture?

From https://www.schwalbe.com/en-GB/tubeless.html

How often do I have to refill or replace the sealing liquid?
Refilling the sealing liquid is only necessary to maintain the protection against punctures. Schwalbe Doc Blue remains active as preventive puncture protection for approx. 2-7 months or approx. 2000 km. After this period it dries out and turns into a rubber film or separates into the individual components (latex and liquid).

By using a needle you can easily test, whether the sealing liquid is still functioning. Simply pierce the running surface and let the tyre rotate. Refill sealing liquid if the hole does not seal immediately. The “test hole” is repaired with the new sealing liquid.

graememacd

After another schwalbe one pro has let me down I'm looking for recommendations for a fast but durable replacement. Something around £35-£40 if anyone's got any suggestions?

sloppyschleckonds

Maxxis Padrone

graememacd

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

Maxxis Padrone

Thanks I'll have a look

sloppyschleckonds

£74.68 for 2 at ProBikeKit using code vcUKPBK10

Also look at IRC tyres at cycleclinic

graememacd

I'm already a fan of IRC tyres so will check them out too

singleton

I've switched from Schwalbe pro1 to Hutchinson Fusion 5 - all good so far.

drlodge

IRC Roadlites from Malcolm.

schlepcycling

drlodge wrote:

IRC Roadlites from Malcolm.

+1 for IRC from Malcolm

Poppa Wheelie

For what it's worth, I anyone is looking to replace a Pro-One they are £33 here https://www.mantel.com/uk/schwalbe-pro-one-microskin-tl-easy-tyre

barongreenback

Hi all

Just installed some Schwalbe One pro on my Bontrager Paradigm Comp TLR rims using Bontrager’s properietary rim strip. Barring a bit of cajoling with a tyre lever it seemed to work out and without anything other than a track pump. The only thing I’ve noticed is that when I deflate below about 30 psi, the bead pops out (with a good popping noise). Is this normal? Don’t want to add any sealant until I make sure. No apparent leaks and the tyre is currently inflated to 90psi (I will be running much lower). Thanks.

mikeyj28

schlepcycling wrote:

drlodge wrote:

IRC Roadlites from Malcolm.

+1 for IRC from Malcolm

Another +1 here too. Great tyres and quickly sent out by Malcolm too.

arsey

Bit of advice needed on this one. Hit a pothole pretty hard today and the rear tyre went down pretty quickly. Managed to work out there was about a 1cm slice where the tyre interfaces with the rim. Plugged it with a worm and some superglue and managed to limp home.

Now when I inflate it over about 50psi the air comes out of the hole. So, with the hole being pretty much on the rim, does that mean the tyre is ruined? Bit of a shame seeing though it's only done about 160km but it was a pretty big hit.

singleton

I'd replace that personally.

Poppa Wheelie

barongreenback wrote:

Hi all

Just installed some Schwalbe One pro on my Bontrager Paradigm Comp TLR rims using Bontrager’s properietary rim strip. Barring a bit of cajoling with a tyre lever it seemed to work out and without anything other than a track pump. The only thing I’ve noticed is that when I deflate below about 30 psi, the bead pops out (with a good popping noise). Is this normal? Don’t want to add any sealant until I make sure. No apparent leaks and the tyre is currently inflated to 90psi (I will be running much lower). Thanks.

I don't have the same rims but I do have Pro-Ones and once the bead was seated I can fully deflate them without the bead popping back.

I've use Schwalbe's own rim tape and I'm not familiar with Bontrager’s rim strip so I can't suggest what you could do other than ask a Trek dealer if they've experienced the same issue.

arsey

Singleton wrote:

I'd replace that personally.

I'm thinking the same. Anybody else had issues with the sidewall of the Hutchinson's? Might try an IRC Roadlite from Malcolm.

kingstonian

I’d definitely replace that tyre. It just doesn’t look safe to me, irrespective of how you attempt to repair it.

I have a set of IRC X-Guards on my commuter, have racked up about 1500km since getting them a couple of months ago and they’ve been pretty good. Absolutely zero problems.

timothyw

To be fair I think any tyre will suffer if slammed into a sharp pothole at speed.

It reviews pretty well for sidewall strength here https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.co ... mance-2017

arsey

I've taken the tyre off and the hole actually looks smaller than I thought, and especially when it was plugged it looked like no air should be able to escape. Do you think it's just because of the location of the hole and it being next to the rim that has caused issues? The sealant was Stans which from reading this thread doesn't seem like a good idea for a road bike?



This one is showing the hole with the worm applicator through it.

timothyw

Patch it with a standard puncture repair kit (from the inside), should be fine for a bit at least.

Once patched you might want to apply some more glue from the outside.

christimson

Ditto. I've had similar and patched it ok

cycleclinic

I would replace the tyre as i advised over the phone. Any repair you make may not hold for long. You have suffered a tubeless pinch flat, they can happen ans the tyre is normally a write off. What you need to do is ride in the netherlands or Flanders, the roads there are perfect. not so in wallonia though. There they are as rough as here but without the big craters.

arsey

thecycleclinic wrote:

I would replace the tyre as i advised over the phone. Any repair you make may not hold for long. You have suffered a tubeless pinch flat, they can happen ans the tyre is normally a write off. What you need to do is ride in the netherlands or Flanders, the roads there are perfect. not so in wallonia though. There they are as rough as here but without the big craters.

Thanks Malcolm, looking forward to trying the IRC. I think we should take your advice and start riding mountain bike tyres everywhere.

christimson

Well, I've ordered some Roadlites to replace the Pro Ones on the training bike. Thanks for the advice Cycle Clinic and looking forward to trying them. I still rate the Pro Ones but need something more durable for general riding I think.

cycleclinic

The pro one are a great TT tyre or dry weather racing tyre for it low rolling resistance but the Vittoria Corsa Speed and the light weight Hutchinon Galatik TLR are even lower but possibly more fragile. Every tyre has it place.

sloppyschleckonds

@thecycleclinic have you tried the Maxxis Padrones yet?

Corsa Speeds for TT's only I'd suggest

cycleclinic

Just waiting for the Mavic I have on to wear out before the pardones go on for a long termuntil they wear out test. After that I have some good year eagles on order. I'll find out if they can be run without sealant as they claim.

sloppyschleckonds

thecycleclinic wrote:

Just waiting for the Mavic I have on to wear out before the pardones go on for a long termuntil they wear out test. After that I have some good year eagles on order. I'll find out if they can be run without sealant as they claim.

Thanks Malcolm. at a guess you wouldn't recommend the Mavics over the IRCs?

cycleclinic

This Mavic uses Hutchinson storm 11 compound. They have held up pretty well but have flatted a couple of times. I can't read much into that. They have cut up more than all of the ircs have after the same distance ( which are normally unmarked by this distance) but only small nicks. With only 2000 km on them though the rear seems half worn. Again not a problem but not stellar. Grip is o.k as well but wet grip is not as good as the ircs but it is also better than most tyres. If I was comparing to a conti Gp4000s I would say they are the better tyres and I would love them. I am not though. I don't hate them though. It's a decent tyre.

They are taller than the ircs but I can't say I have noticed a difference in comfort compared to the 28mm ircs or the 25mm roadlite which is a big tyre.

The one thing I have noticed they feel better at low pressures 40-50psi than the ircs do. They hold air well too.

drlodge

I repaired my rear IRC roadlite, took it off and put on a patch to the inside (thanks for the tip Malcolm).

However I had an issue when trying to inflate the tyre once back on, because the Tesa rim tape (as recommended by Ugo) had been pushed into the spoke holes a bit, there were plenty of gaps for the air to bypass the sidewalls so the darn thing just wouldn't seat, that's using a compressor. Not sure if a "oneshot" thingy would provide any more volume?

So I took off one layer of tape (which I had added last time I was doing this) and replaced it with a fresh layer, then the tyre went on and inflated no problem.

Is this a ritual that just has to be done every time a tyre is replaced, or is there a make of rim tape which doesn't stretch to the profile of the rim and get sucked into the spoke holes?