Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

cycleclinic

because if they were the new tyres hutchinson would be dumping and that is not right as it it old stock is being cleared.

I am tempted to get a pair but I really want to see what the storm 11 tyres are like.

davidof

Hutchinson tubeless ready for 22 euros:

https://www.probikeshop.fr/route/roues- ... 86&70=1182

cycleclinic

They seem to made far too many tires. that is not good planning.

Is the tubeless ready tyre the lightest version or not. I find the hutchinson range a bit confusing. surly i am not the only one.

davidof

thecycleclinic wrote:

They seem to made far too many tires. that is not good planning.

Is the tubeless ready tyre the lightest version or not. I find the hutchinson range a bit confusing. surly i am not the only one.

They are light - but leaky, they need the fluid to seal but you'd probably do that anyway. I have a pair on at the moment and they seem ok as a tire although my rear wheel doesn't seal perfectly.

cycleclinic

That wopuld be a problem then. leaky tyres are no good for multiday rides. It might make a good spare though to pack as it is cheap and light. I am going to enter a 1000km audax shortly carrying a spare tyre might be a good idea.

Sanjay

I've got the 'tubeless ready' versions of the All Season and Galactik. They were leaky for 24 hours after adding sealant but both hold their pressure fine now. I've only had Schwalbe Pro Ones tubeless to compare them to, but they hold air just as well as them. They do come up narrower than the Ones, but I think most tyres do.

ryan_w-2

I’m looking for some tubeless 32c+ winter slicks to commute on.

So far I have on my shortlist:

Hutchinson Sector 32c
Compass Barlow Pass 38c
Compass Bon Jon 35c
Panaracer GravelKing 38c

Recently swapped over from 38c Schealbe G-Ones to 35c Panaracer GravelKing SKs. Both amazing tyres but really loving the SKs.

timothyw

For anyone interested, my Hutchinson Fusion 5 Performance 700x25 Tubeless ready tyres from acycles arrived yesterday, put one on the scales, came up at 250g, quite considerably lighter than the 320g for the full on tubeless model.

First time for me with tubeless, will try and get at least one of them on this weekend and see how they go!

sloppyschleckonds

TimothyW wrote:

First time for me with tubeless, will try and get at least one of them on this weekend and see how they go!

Good luck!

jdee84

davidof wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

They seem to made far too many tires. that is not good planning.

Is the tubeless ready tyre the lightest version or not. I find the hutchinson range a bit confusing. surly i am not the only one.

They are light - but leaky, they need the fluid to seal but you'd probably do that anyway. I have a pair on at the moment and they seem ok as a tire although my rear wheel doesn't seal perfectly.

I fitted a set of the fusion 5 all season tubeless ready from acycles at the weekend, the front went up with the track pump just, but the rear i tried with the track pump with the valve core in and out and rubbed a soap solution round the bead and it wouldn't inflate, in the end a CO2 did it.

Both tyres seemed to be holding air well enough before i added the sealant and after adding it, the next morning there didn't seem to be much air loss, i let a bit out through the valve anyway and then put the pump on to set the pressure for that mornings ride, and the same thing on monday again. So on an open pro ust they seem to seal well enough.

ryan_w-2

I’m expecting the new 2018 Panaracer GKs (38c slick) from Germany tomorrow.

If they’re half as good as the 35C GK SKs I currently have on, I’ll be a happy chappy.

graeme_s-2

Ryan_W wrote:

I’m expecting the new 2018 Panaracer GKs (38c slick) from Germany tomorrow.

If they’re half as good as the 35C GK SKs I currently have on, I’ll be a happy chappy.

Where did you get these? Link?

ryan_w-2

Graeme_S wrote:

Ryan_W wrote:

I’m expecting the new 2018 Panaracer GKs (38c slick) from Germany tomorrow.

If they’re half as good as the 35C GK SKs I currently have on, I’ll be a happy chappy.

Where did you get these? Link?

https://www.bike-components.de/de/Panar ... 18-p61146/

graeme_s-2

Brilliant - thank you

ryan_w-2

Graeme_S wrote:

Brilliant - thank you

Feel free to PM me for help when you come to install them :shock: :shock: :shock:

Mine were an absolute cnut to fit, and I’m a tubeless hero!

fat_tail

So I was cleaning my bike and checking the tyres and I found a small piece of glass which I removed and then realised it had been plugging a hole. With sealant spewing out and the thought that I have a few punctures in the last 6 weeks I decided that it would be a good idea to replace the Hutchinson Sector 28s that have around 6000kms on them. So I fetched the recently (Black Friday) purchased pair of Maxxis Padrone tyres and set about installing them. Decided to start on the rear wheel as that was the one with the dodgy tyre. I spent the best part of New Year's day trying to get them to seat in but no luck. Yesterday, I had the bright idea of taking the wheel to my LBS. But before doing so, I thought I should try the front wheel. I applied a bit of soap to the Maxxis, popped it on the rim and one airshot later they were seated fine. So that left the rear wheel - which is still unseated. So went to 2 LBS and neither of them had a compressor. Went to a local car tyre fitter and they couldn't get them to seat. At this stage, I am getting seriously f*cked off. So went home and though of adding another layer of rim tape. then realised that this was a bad idea as the rim tape wasn't sticking properly. I then changed the valve, applied some soapy water to the inside of the tyre and the bead popped it on, got it seated with an airshot. Left the tyre seated and holding air for 4 hours and then thought it would be a good idea to add some sealant to front and rear tyre. Deflated front tyre, remove valve core, added sealant, pumped up using track pump. Deflated rear, heard an ominous sound that indicated that the tyre had become unseated and then spent 1.5 hours trying to get it seated. Finally managed to do so by applying loads and loads of sudsy water to the bead...

Happy New Year

bobones

I too bought a pair of Padrones for my summer bike in the Black Friday 2 for 1 deal and was also unsuccessful in getting one to seat despite trying every trick I knew including extra rim tape. I eventually gave up and put on a Hutchinson Fusion 5 Performance TR instead, which inflated no bother at all. I will eventually revisit this and apply another layer of tape. If still unsuccessful they will be going on eBay.

timothyw

Makes you wonder if they were clearing out some items which didn't quite clear quality control, either way you have to wonder if it might have done them more harm than good - certainly LBS owners such as Malcolm weren't particularly happy with them being knocked out below trade cost prices.

I still haven't got round to trying my hutchinson tubeless ready tyres....

I guess if all else fails you can use them with tubes (and in fact having sat them tubed for a while might they be a bit more likely to seat tubeless?)

fat_tail

rather than point the finger at Maxxis I think it could be a rim issue for me as I had the same problem getting the Hutchinson Sector 28s seated the first time. But after they were on for a while they stayed on.... Anyways the Padrones seem nice although the Hutchs were nice as were the IRC beforehand.... I can't tell the difference.

sloppyschleckonds

If you think you've got a sub-standard quality tyre you should be returning it to the retailer, not palming off on eBay.

cycleclinic

It is more likely to be the rim. Than the tyre. Try more tubeless tape that might help. Sadly some rim brands are not that consistent.

Is your issue it inflates but fails to lock in place properly so it is leaking from a part of the rim where the tyre fails to seat. More tape often solves that problem.

fat_tail

thecycleclinic wrote:

It is more likely to be the rim. Than the tyre. Try more tubeless tape that might help. Sadly some rim brands are not that consistent.

Is your issue it inflates but fails to lock in place properly so it is leaking from a part of the rim where the tyre fails to seat. More tape often solves that problem.

No - the issue was that it wouldn't inflate no matter what I did. lots and lots of suds did the trick. once inflated it holds fine. after deflating to put in sealant it came off the rim. so more suds and it is now in place.

drlodge

I had a similar experience putting on new tyres to a tubeless rim, added another layer of tape and bingo.

wahla21

I\ve just got a pair of 25mm Schwalbe Pro Ones and fitted to my Giant SLR 0 wheels. Internal is 17mm and external 23mm.
Everyone says how wide the Schwalbe tyres are but mine measure 24mm when inflated to 80psi.

Am I doing something wrong here? Anyone else had the same?

sloppyschleckonds

They probably updated manufacturing processes.

fat_tail

update on the maxxis padrone tyres...

So I decided to top up the sealant in both tyres however given my recent attempts at getting the rear tyre seated I approached the job with a more than usual circumspection. I fully expect the rear tyre to come unseated when I let the air out. However, it stay seated and I was able to add more sealant through the valve with the core removed. Even better news I pumped both tyres to 100 psi (rather than the 110 I was running at before). This made a huge difference to the ride - it feels plusher and less harsh. Probably better than the Hutchinson Sectors.

dodgy

I've just come to the end of a 3 month flirtation with tubeless tyres. Very positive for the first 3 months, gave me lots of confidence and the ride was slightly better (though hardly a revelation).

However, last week I went over something that put a small slit in the tyre, Stans wouldn't seal it and I was unable to get a tube in as the valve locknut was on so tight I couldn't undo it with my freezing cold hands. (yes, lesson learned, carry appropriate tools next time).

On getting home I tried to plug the hole with one of those Genuine Innovations plugs, that failed, sealant still sprayed out. So then I tried to seal from the inside of the tyre with a patch (once I had cleaned the are thoroughly), but that just wouldn't stick.

I ended up putting a tube in, but I'm not happy about the small slit in the tyre and will replace soon.

FWIW this was with Hutchinson Sector 28mm tyres. I plan to eventually go back to tubes only on both tyres but remain relatively open minded that at some point in the future I will try tubeless again, but for now, just too much faff (for me).

fat_tail

dodgy wrote:

I've just come to the end of a 3 month flirtation with tubeless tyres. Very positive for the first 3 months, gave me lots of confidence and the ride was slightly better (though hardly a revelation).

However, last week I went over something that put a small slit in the tyre, Stans wouldn't seal it and I was unable to get a tube in as the valve locknut was on so tight I couldn't undo it with my freezing cold hands. (yes, lesson learned, carry appropriate tools next time).

On getting home I tried to plug the hole with one of those Genuine Innovations plugs, that failed, sealant still sprayed out. So then I tried to seal from the inside of the tyre with a patch (once I had cleaned the are thoroughly), but that just wouldn't stick.

I ended up putting a tube in, but I'm not happy about the small slit in the tyre and will replace soon.

FWIW this was with Hutchinson Sector 28mm tyres. I plan to eventually go back to tubes only on both tyres but remain relatively open minded that at some point in the future I will try tubeless again, but for now, just too much faff (for me).

I have had much success with the Park tools vp-1 patch for internal sealing purposes.

cycleclinic

Superglue the internal patch. You may also need bigger worms. The gi worms are 1.5mm thick. This morning I had a big slit I my rather old irc and I shoved a 3.5mm thick worm in it. A small worm would have been pushed out or sealant would gave sprayed out. Done 45 miles on that plug today. All is well.

The problem is not tubeless as I have said before but the lack of appropriate kit. Here is what i carry. Pump, 1.5mm and 3.5mm thick worms, sealant, valve core remover but note the lack of a tube and levers.


Puncture plugged I trimmed the worms down at the shop.


So don't give up and carry what i carry in your back pocket and be confident in using it. Tubeless is not faff. If you think you need a tube then it becomes faff and you have missed a trick.

cycleclinic

The other problem is you are using stans. That can't seal much at all. Zefal, effetto mariposa and orange seal (allegedly) are all alot better than stans at sealing punctures.