Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

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  • ddraver
    ddraver Posts: 26,698
    The middle Fusion 5s. Performance is it?

    i have Secteurs as well and have found that they don't inflate easily and also seem to cut more easily too. I can fit the Schwalbe G-Ones on that bike tho.
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  • Blackbrogue
    Blackbrogue Posts: 17
    Just fitted Pro Ones to my newly purchased Prime Pro alloy wheels. Followed instructions and advice to the letter and amazed how easy they were to fit. All done in 30 mins, no need for tyre levers and inflated so easily with a track pump. Had a very quick spin out and really do seem to feel quicker. The Prime Pro alloy wheels at £250 with a BC discount really are the most incredible bargain, decent Novatec hubs, CX Ray spokes and a 17mm wide and 28mm depth rim for an all up 1450gs.
  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    Blackbrogue wrote:
    Just fitted Pro Ones to my newly purchased Prime Pro alloy wheels. Followed instructions and advice to the letter and amazed how easy they were to fit. All done in 30 mins, no need for tyre levers and inflated so easily with a track pump. Had a very quick spin out and really do seem to feel quicker. The Prime Pro alloy wheels at £250 with a BC discount really are the most incredible bargain, decent Novatec hubs, CX Ray spokes and a 17mm wide and 28mm depth rim for an all up 1450gs.

    I am beginning to suspect that wider rims and bigger tyres tend to be trickier... something to do with the volume of air perhaps ?
    Ridley Fenix SL
  • bobones
    bobones Posts: 1,215
    Blackbrogue wrote:
    Just fitted Pro Ones to my newly purchased Prime Pro alloy wheels. Followed instructions and advice to the letter and amazed how easy they were to fit. All done in 30 mins, no need for tyre levers and inflated so easily with a track pump. Had a very quick spin out and really do seem to feel quicker. The Prime Pro alloy wheels at £250 with a BC discount really are the most incredible bargain, decent Novatec hubs, CX Ray spokes and a 17mm wide and 28mm depth rim for an all up 1450gs.
    Nice sounding wheels: just a bit narrow by today's trends.
  • Blackbrogue
    Blackbrogue Posts: 17
    But well-suited to the narrower clearance on my 2014 Cervelo R3 frame.
  • johngti
    johngti Posts: 2,508
    bobones wrote:
    Blackbrogue wrote:
    Just fitted Pro Ones to my newly purchased Prime Pro alloy wheels. Followed instructions and advice to the letter and amazed how easy they were to fit. All done in 30 mins, no need for tyre levers and inflated so easily with a track pump. Had a very quick spin out and really do seem to feel quicker. The Prime Pro alloy wheels at £250 with a BC discount really are the most incredible bargain, decent Novatec hubs, CX Ray spokes and a 17mm wide and 28mm depth rim for an all up 1450gs.
    Nice sounding wheels: just a bit narrow by today's trends.

    17mm inner, 22mm outer measurement, best with 25mm tyres
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    For those wondering there is ship on it way from japan with more irc tubeless tyres. Due in about 5 weeks.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,120
    bobones wrote:
    I used to run Schwalbe Ultremos, which never lasted beyond 1.5k miles and always seemed to pick up cuts and bulges.

    I got 3.5k km on my Ultremo rear, it was down to the canvas in loads of places with sealant plugging any gaps, it finally deflated like an old sack on a ride, I stuck an inner-tube in to get home.

    The front is still going strong on 8k km.

    Not had any punctures and front tire looks ok.
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  • bobones
    bobones Posts: 1,215
    davidof wrote:
    bobones wrote:
    I used to run Schwalbe Ultremos, which never lasted beyond 1.5k miles and always seemed to pick up cuts and bulges.

    I got 3.5k km on my Ultremo rear, it was down to the canvas in loads of places with sealant plugging any gaps, it finally deflated like an old sack on a ride, I stuck an inner-tube in to get home.

    The front is still going strong on 8k km.

    Not had any punctures and front tire looks ok.
    I was talking about the old Ultremo ZX non-tubeless: very light and nice ride, but not at all durable.

    I'm currently getting on fine with my Pro Ones (good bike) and Intensive IIs (wet bike), but it's early days yet and I don't think I've had any punctures.
  • imatfaal
    imatfaal Posts: 2,716
    Anyone tried the new mavic aksiums tubeless? I am wearing through my current g-one speeds (back is practically slick now). Sigma have them a 30 quid a pop with a fiver off code which flashes up on their website. I fear I will chew through or cut up pure roadie tubeless in no time at all as I do 10km of gravel a day.

    Got Schwalbe Allmotion tubeless on rigid steel mtb commuter - amazingly light rolling for a huge and very robust feeling tyre, grip is not as poor as marathon pluses either, considerably lighter too.

    For the record - lots of punctures, five on road bike/g-ones and half a dozen on mtb/allmotions. None have needed anything more than slightly reinflate, and majority only noticed by dry latex in the tread around hole. Two sections of heavy duty glass and rubbish are unavoidable on route home from work - thus my desire to avoid replacing tubes all the time; this with a will to get away from wooden marathon pluses led to tubeless
  • bmxboy10
    bmxboy10 Posts: 1,958
    There are some lightly used Sectors for sale in the FS section in case you are interested
  • skeetam
    skeetam Posts: 178
    While out today, I rode over lots of those 'top dressed' roads in the North York Moors with all the sharp gravel and melting tar. This scenario gave me two punctures :evil: Thankfully, the Bonty R2's coupled with Stans Race sealant, they sealed up really quickly and held their pressure so need to even top the air up :D Anyone had puncture issues with tubeless setups on those type of roads? They seem to be doing it all over the country as a cheap measure.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    I think my front Hutch Sector 32 has had its day... doesn't hold in more than 55 PSI and when it's hot it sweats latex from the many cuts. I guess 7 months of commuting have taken the toll... still a very long way from the mileage The Cycle Clinic seems to get out of his tubeless tyres.

    I'd say this has done 2000 miles at best
    left the forum March 2023
  • tincaman
    tincaman Posts: 508
    imatfaal wrote:
    Anyone tried the new mavic aksiums tubeless? I am wearing through my current g-one speeds (back is practically slick now). Sigma have them a 30 quid a pop with a fiver off code which flashes up on their website. I fear I will chew through or cut up pure roadie tubeless in no time at all as I do 10km of gravel a day.

    Got Schwalbe Allmotion tubeless on rigid steel mtb commuter - amazingly light rolling for a huge and very robust feeling tyre, grip is not as poor as marathon pluses either, considerably lighter too.

    For the record - lots of punctures, five on road bike/g-ones and half a dozen on mtb/allmotions. None have needed anything more than slightly reinflate, and majority only noticed by dry latex in the tread around hole. Two sections of heavy duty glass and rubbish are unavoidable on route home from work - thus my desire to avoid replacing tubes all the time; this with a will to get away from wooden marathon pluses led to tubeless

    MAVIC YKSION ELITE ALLROAD TYRE £30
    https://www.sigmasport.co.uk/item/Mavic/Yksion-Elite-Allroad-Tyre/9P5N
  • imatfaal
    imatfaal Posts: 2,716
    tincaman wrote:
    imatfaal wrote:
    Anyone tried the new mavic aksiums tubeless? I am wearing through my current g-one speeds (back is practically slick now). Sigma have them a 30 quid a pop with a fiver off code which flashes up on their website. I fear I will chew through or cut up pure roadie tubeless in no time at all as I do 10km of gravel a day.

    Got Schwalbe Allmotion tubeless on rigid steel mtb commuter - amazingly light rolling for a huge and very robust feeling tyre, grip is not as poor as marathon pluses either, considerably lighter too.

    For the record - lots of punctures, five on road bike/g-ones and half a dozen on mtb/allmotions. None have needed anything more than slightly reinflate, and majority only noticed by dry latex in the tread around hole. Two sections of heavy duty glass and rubbish are unavoidable on route home from work - thus my desire to avoid replacing tubes all the time; this with a will to get away from wooden marathon pluses led to tubeless

    MAVIC YKSION ELITE ALLROAD TYRE £30
    https://www.sigmasport.co.uk/item/Mavic/Yksion-Elite-Allroad-Tyre/9P5N

    Well I picked up a pair of Yksion Elite Allroad - which is I meant anyway but have lower comprehension skills than Tincaman - at £27.5 each
      Tread looks a little less pronounced on the photograph than in reality. Measures up as 32-33mm at 4bar but sold as 30mm. Put it on this morning on HED Belgium+ rim. Easiest tyre mounting ever; twelve minutes and no tools required.
  • imafatman
    imafatman Posts: 351
    Just want to say how bloody brilliant Orange sealant is.

    The other day I was tonking along in torrential rain when I suddenly see a huge geyser of water spraying out of my front wheel. I thought, no fucking chance this is gonna seal. Within about 10 seconds that geyser had gone and my wheel was sealed. Got home with plenty of pressure in the tire.

    Fast forward the next morning, I pumped the tyre back up and started my ride and after a few km it did break the seal again however this time it sealed in under 5 seconds. And it's been fine ever since.

    My guess is that the pissing rain meant I didn't get a proper permanent seal, but it sealed properly the next day in the dry.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    that because I dont use hutchinson tyres ugo. 9000km on my front IRC and it has barely started wearing. There are a small handfull of cuts and it did puncture a few weeks back but sealed. Current rear has 2000 km so a a quarter way through it life I hope, the load on the back does mean this tyre wears more quickly than it should.

    The roadlites on my race bike refuse to wear out either but the current set only have 3000km on them or so. I have been luckier with this set than the last set of 23mm tyres which to be fair did 3000km but got binned because the ride was too harsh (I seem to be more sensitive to this than I used to be) due to being narrower and the smaller volume meant when they punctured they lost a bit too much pressure. Well they have not been binned they are mounted to defective rims for people to stab and then learn how to fix them. Poor tyres not a easy retirement.

    imafatman sealant works like that one day it lets go a bit and then it seals again and holds for good. It has little to do with the weather though not sure why it happens it just does.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • bmxboy10
    bmxboy10 Posts: 1,958
    Got my hands on some Mavic Ysksion Pro UST 25c tyres yesterday. Not ridden them but they are a true 25mm on a 17mm internal width rim. The tread pattern is interesting and the compound feels softish so may be ok. Would like to see the width of the 28mm as that may be more like my current GP4000s 25mm in terms of width.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Thats odd mavic told me they are not shipping those tyre until august.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • bmxboy10
    bmxboy10 Posts: 1,958
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    Thats odd mavic told me they are not shipping those tyre until august.
    On a set of Ksyrium USTs
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    imatfaal wrote:

    Well I picked up a pair of Yksion Elite Allroad - which is I meant anyway but have lower comprehension skills than Tincaman - at £27.5 each

    Received a pair today too... they are Hutchinson tyres in disguise... same identical packaging, same identical sidewall, only difference is the tread pattern and the logo.

    They look a lot more touring than road, which is fine by me, as they will go on the commuter, I hope they are not too draggy
    left the forum March 2023
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Well if the new yskion ust tyres are also hutchinsons then i am preparing to be underwhelmed.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • bmxboy10
    bmxboy10 Posts: 1,958
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    Well if the new yskion ust tyres are also hutchinsons then i am preparing to be underwhelmed.
    If that is a fair view on Hutchinson tyres this makes a mockery of the whole Mavic UST thing. Yes I know you can use other tyres on the new Mavic rims but the marketing of UST is that you get an exact wheel and tyre size combo and this provides a proper fit and simple inflation. If I had an OP UST rim and an IRC tyre the sizing will be off one way or another and you will have the same issues you always get with tubeless set ups - the same very issues Mavic have sought to overcome. Nothing is perfect.

    FWIW my Sector 28s and 32s were fine IMO
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    I dont have issues with tubeless though. The irc kinlin combo is pretty easy. I find scwalbe tyres easy to setup too on many rims with little variation. Some rim tyre combinations are a problem. I suspect most tyres, schwalbes, irc, hutchinson will work just fine on the open pro if mavic are right about what they have done with the rim.

    I will still try the yskion ust and i am prepared to be surprised too. It is all well and good to have a tyre that is easy to set up but if it is medicore on the road then it will miss the mark. The mavic tyre may also be the best the on the planet. I intend to run a pair and see how long tbey last and find out.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Hutchinson are fine... not the best tyres on the planet, but at the right price I'd buy them again.... never gave me any grief
    left the forum March 2023
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    All Mavic tyres are made by Hutchinson, aren't they? It sounds like they are making them to Mavic's specifications in this instance though.
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  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    Had my first genuinely positive experience with sealant (Orange Endurance). Early on my ride yesterday morning I felt what I thought was spray on my legs. Thinking it was just some water from the deluge we had the day before, I continued merrily on my way. when I got to work, I noticed a little of the sealant on the frame and then noticed that a puncture had been plugged. virtually no pressure loss. Hutchinson Sector 28 tyres.
    Ridley Fenix SL
  • hazy_day
    hazy_day Posts: 84
    Hi all looking at these https://www.merlincycles.com/pair-hutch ... 02094.html as my first foray into tubeless tyres.They will be going on the new Open Pro. I've also seen some good deals on Schwalbe One twin packs. Looking forward to opinions.
  • hazy_day
    hazy_day Posts: 84
    What width rim tape should I use on Open Pro UST. Thanks
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    21mm
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.

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