Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

cycleclinic

I would use 23mm tape that does not exist. 25mm might be a better option than 21mm but it depends on the tape. A thin tape like VAR will stretch a bit so not ride up the sidewall like stans 25mm tape will.

As for IRC tyre rolling resisantance from highest to lowest Fusion X guard, Roadlite, RBCC, Light. The light is on par with really fast tubulars or thats what they feels like. They are all fairly low anyway and differences must be only in the order a small handfull of watts at 25mph. There is no rolling road/drum data though to back any of this up.

Roadlites in 25mm are currently on the Look for racing as I have lots of these and fewer RBCC tyres, they feel fine on quick rides.

cookeeemonster

Thanks guys

roubaixmb

thecycleclinic wrote:

As for IRC tyre rolling resisantance from highest to lowest Fusion X guard, Roadlite, RBCC, Light. The light is on par with really fast tubulars or thats what they feels like. They are all fairly low anyway and differences must be only in the order a small handfull of watts at 25mph. There is no rolling road/drum data though to back any of this up.

Roadlites in 25mm are currently on the Look for racing as I have lots of these and fewer RBCC tyres, they feel fine on quick rides.

Thanks for this

Wooderson

Having enjoyed reading the thread, I thought I'd give this a go this evening on my new Devinci Leo. Given that this bike comes with DT23 disc wheels, skittish-feeling 23mm Schwalbe Ones, but plenty of frame clearance, i was immediately eyeing up wider rubber.

I converted my Whyte T130 to tubeless in the summer and its been a great experience so far - i even managed to seat the Mary, Hans Dampf and Rock Razor using only my trusty Topeak track pimp. I also used Stans fluid, tape and valves - so thought id stick to what worked well before with the roadie.

With some 25mm Pro Ones delivered and an evening with the wife out of the house, this was my chance for some fun!

In truth, it couldn't have been an easier job! Decided to do a dry run first without sealant, so tape trimmed-down (24 to 20mm) which went on fine, valves secured and cores removed, soapy water applied.....furious pumping for 20 seconds to be met with the glorious sound of the bead pinking into the rim - awesome! Valves cores then unsrewed and 30ml of fluid squirted in using a brake bleed syringe and the job was done - with so leaks or drips and, so far at least, pressure holding.

I must admit to being sceptical it would work so easily, but happy to be surprised. Looking forward to experimenting with some different pressures and getting out on the lanes between all the recently cut hawthorn hedges!

fat_tail

first actual evidence that sealant works - I spotted what looked like a thorn or glass sticking out from the side of my tyre this morning. Pulled over to remove it before it did any more damage and then after fiddling for 5 minutes I realised that it was Orange Endurance Sealant... quite a big cut which was sealed (hopefully) !

tincaman

Hutchinson Intensive 2 Tubeless Folding Tyre, 25mm £19.99
http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYHUITRT/hutchinson-intensive-2-tubeless-folding-tyre

fat_tail

tincaman wrote:

Hutchinson Intensive 2 Tubeless Folding Tyre, 25mm £19.99
http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYHUITRT/hutchinson-intensive-2-tubeless-folding-tyre

thanks - bought two ! that must be a mistake ?

skeetam

They've got the Fusion 3 at £19.99 too. What's the difference between these two tyres?

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/TYHUF3RT/hutchinson-fusion-3-tubeless-folding-tyre

ugo.santalucia

The Maxxis Padrone is on... took the airshot to inflate it, but then it held air nicely, even without sealant

Looks fast!

cycleclinic

let us know how you get on. Been thinking about trying a pair myself just to see what they are like.

ugo.santalucia

thecycleclinic wrote:

let us know how you get on. Been thinking about trying a pair myself just to see what they are like.

No air loss overnight, but I have zero desire to go out in 20 mph wind... it might be a while before it actually gets used

oldbazza

Re-fitted the Roadlights on the Hunt wheels, still tight as a tight thing to fit but managed ok with VAR levers and used the orange sealant for the first time

Rear had a repair patch and some sealant leaked out before it sealed and seemed ok next morning.

Wen't out for club ride but sealant started leaking again before sealing;popped back home(had forgotten something else anyway)and put some Loctite flexible glue on the cut(should have done it the night before :roll: ).

Anyway was fine on the ride so pretty impressed with the orange sealant just hope it works all the time as I won't be looking forward to taking those tyres off again.

Oh and they popped on fine with a track pump.

itboffin

i'm spending too much time on this thread, i have almost everything i need apart from tyres .....

Wooderson

After a week of use, I think I've got a stable set up (Pro Ones, Stans sealant and valves)

During the first two days the rear tyre would randomly go flat during the day, which was confusing because i couldn't find any leaks from any part of the wheel, tyre or valve when immersed in the bath. I think perhaps the valve was a bit loose and from the movement/flex of riding bumpy lanes it must have been leaking.

I screwing the valve core in a bit tighter with some pliers and happy to report the tyre has retained a steady 80psi for the last 4 days of riding.

I don't mind checking tyres before each ride, so the the extra attention tubeless seems to require doesn't really bother me.

In terms of riding, the bike feels waaay nicer to ride at speed on rougher tarmac and clattering over drain covers and potholes doesn't have been wincing.

Speedwise - I'm convinced I'm putting in less effort...but I am also in the joyous honeymoon period of a new Di2 bike!

skeetam

ugo.santalucia wrote:

The Maxxis Padrone is on... took the airshot to inflate it, but then it held air nicely, even without sealant

Looks fast!

Looks like Maxis have been busy. It all sounds promising but lets hope it's not too expensive.
http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/maxxis-high-road-tyre-49467/

janwal

Just decided to give tubeless a try.I have had Bontrager AW2 tyres fitted to my new DT Swiss r32 wheels.The LBS fitted them for me.They put 80 psi in and told me to check them before I went out as they settle after first inflation..Anyway next day I forgot to check them and did a 30 mile run and thought that they were amazing.So plush and comfy a ride compared to the Gp4000IIS I had been running on my Domane disc,especially over some of the cobbles on the canal path! So checked when I got home and found they were 50 rear and 40 front.
Did a 100 miler yesterday but I ran them at 65 front and 60 front.I am 67 kg.Not quite as plush but still a much nicer ride than the GPs.Front was down to 55 when I got home though.
So, do tubeless usually lose pressure so quickly? Also would I be mad to run them at the 50/40 pressure as they felt so nice and if anything pretty quick,and climbed fine.
I have just had the Domane converted to SRAM Rival 1x11 with 42 front and 11/42 rear ( same range as 13/32 compact) and have really taken to it.The tubeless have made it all the bike I really need for feel and comfort.Must say I am a convert so far so the Sworks Venge Di2 is now for sale as I don't think it will get a look in! Not even had one offer on it yet though,thought it would be snapped up!
Any advice much appreciated.

drlodge

janwal wrote:

Front was down to 55 when I got home though.
So, do tubeless usually lose pressure so quickly?

They can do if not sealed properly. Not uncommon to have a wee bit of leakage at the tyre/rim interface. What I do (after they're pumped up and sealant applied) is dip them in a bath of water to see if there are any leaks, then slop the sealant around to seal it and check again.

bmxboy10

drlodge wrote:

janwal wrote:

Front was down to 55 when I got home though.
So, do tubeless usually lose pressure so quickly?

They can do if not sealed properly. Not uncommon to have a wee bit of leakage at the tyre/rim interface. What I do (after they're pumped up and sealant applied) is dip them in a bath of water to see if there are any leaks, then slop the sealant around to seal it and check again.

Is it ok to use sealant on the inner rim and wall/tyre bead? I found a light coating does the job. My Sector 32s on a non tubeless specific rim have held most of the pressure for 6 weeks!

MrSweary

So.. I'm currently running GP4Seasons 28mms on Hunt 4Season Disc wheels (tubeless ready) doing 100+ mostly commuting miles per week (thanks to the toddler).

If I decided to try tubeless (out of boredom or whatever) what would I need? Tyre recommendations? Sealant? Airshot? Prayer?

bmxboy10

MrSweary wrote:

So.. I'm currently running GP4Seasons 28mms on Hunt 4Season Disc wheels (tubeless ready) doing 100+ mostly commuting miles per week (thanks to the toddler).

If I decided to try tubeless (out of boredom or whatever) what would I need? Tyre recommendations? Sealant? Airshot? Prayer?

Assuming you got valves with the wheels I would go for Hutchinson Sector 28 or 32 if they fit the frame. Then some Stans sealant. Mine went up easy with a track pump but there is a knack to it. Best desision ever for me as the ride was noticeably improved

bigmitch41

Can the Conti GP4000S11'S folding tyres be set up tubeless please anybody, if not what tyres are most suitable of similar quality to the 4000's.

Thanks

cycleclinic

no they cant be set up tubeless or if you can do it you'll be the first.

It is not just the feel of the tyre that is important. many people find many tubeless tyres to cut prone. Some tyres are not though. Some tyres have the puncture resistance grip and durability all rolled into one.

Hutchinson Sector 28 and 32 are durable but seem lack grip in the wet nothing dangerous but could be better - abit GP4 seasons like but with better durability.
IRC formula Pro RBCC - wet grip, durability and puncture resistance is the best I have found.
IRC roadlites - durable decent grip in the wet and dry not stellar but good enough for racing, comfortable. Like the GP4000s but way more durable.
schwable Pro One - good dry grip, wet grip is OK but not stellar, cut prone and not that durable abit like the GP4000s really. A good race tyre really
Maxsis Pardone - I have no experience but there are reports of them picking up cuts easily.
Lots of people here have used hutchinson all seasons and the fusions so they can comment on those but the experience on here so far has been mixed.

ugo.santalucia

thecycleclinic wrote:

Maxsis Pardone - I have no experience but there are reports of them picking up cuts easily.

Could be.. they are nice though... 8)

fat_tail

thecycleclinic wrote:

no they cant be set up tubeless or if you can do it you'll be the first.

Lots of people here have used hutchinson all seasons and the fusions so they can comment on those but the experience on here so far has been mixed.

have used Hutchinson Intensive and IRC Roadlites... intensives imho are tougher than roadlites...roadlites comfier (due to the larger size on a wide rim) and made a pleasing hum on certain road surfaces.

crossed

Has anyone had issues with Schwalbe G-One Speed tyres runnignthrm tubeless?
I've managed to puncture one this week, only a small hole but wouldn't seal. Trying to get the tyre off the rim was horrendous. It was so tight that it was like it had been glued on!

Any suggestions for wider, up to 32c, tubeless tyres that aren't too much of an issue to fit and remove?

thegibdog

Crossed wrote:

Has anyone had issues with Schwalbe G-One Speed tyres runnignthrm tubeless?
I've managed to puncture one this week, only a small hole but wouldn't seal. Trying to get the tyre off the rim was horrendous. It was so tight that it was like it had been glued on!

Any suggestions for wider, up to 32c, tubeless tyres that aren't too much of an issue to fit and remove?

Did you try a worm? I'm arriving at the opinion that once you've got the tyres on, leave them on until you replace them. They're either going to be hard to get off & on or, if not, hard to inflate.

Of the tyres I've tried the easiest to get on & off have been the Sectors. But then I've been unable to get the front one re-inflated after I removed it.

clickrumble

I've used the Hutchinson sector 28 during this winter and done about 1500 miles on them. It's still somewhat of a learning curve for me. I found them easy fit and seal on my Ultegra 6800 wheels. I had one or two problems with a big glass cut in the front tyre, which did seal successfully when it initially occurred. Once I got home I decided to fix the hole with a plug, but despite using superglue the plug came out a couple of times when I was out and the tyre didn't seal. In each case I got away again by putting a tube in, which turned out to be easier than I thought. I haven't had any other incidents that have caused me to stop, despite getting several holes in the tyres, they have all sealed ok. I probably won't use a plug again as it seems that I increased the damage to the tyre by fitting it, it didn't stay in as per my experience and so with big holes, if necessary I've put a patch on the inside of tyre once I got home.

bendertherobot

Crossed wrote:

Has anyone had issues with Schwalbe G-One Speed tyres runnignthrm tubeless?
I've managed to puncture one this week, only a small hole but wouldn't seal. Trying to get the tyre off the rim was horrendous. It was so tight that it was like it had been glued on!

Any suggestions for wider, up to 32c, tubeless tyres that aren't too much of an issue to fit and remove?

The G-One fits smaller than just about anything else in the Schwalbe range for some reason. S-One much easier, Pro One a bit in between.

itboffin

those g-ones look like a larger version of the old ZX agua with bigger dimples

crossed

thegibdog wrote:

Did you try a worm? I'm arriving at the opinion that once you've got the tyres on, leave them on until you replace them. They're either going to be hard to get off & on or, if not, hard to inflate.

Of the tyres I've tried the easiest to get on & off have been the Sectors. But then I've been unable to get the front one re-inflated after I removed it.

I had bought some worms for the tyres but I'd forgot to put them in my saddle bag so I was a bit stuffed on that front. I definitely think that the idea of leaving the tyres on and leaving them is the best idea, I'll try it in future.