Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

bigmitch41

thecycleclinic wrote:

no they cant be set up tubeless or if you can do it you'll be the first.

It is not just the feel of the tyre that is important. many people find many tubeless tyres to cut prone. Some tyres are not though. Some tyres have the puncture resistance grip and durability all rolled into one.

Hutchinson Sector 28 and 32 are durable but seem lack grip in the wet nothing dangerous but could be better - abit GP4 seasons like but with better durability.
IRC formula Pro RBCC - wet grip, durability and puncture resistance is the best I have found.
IRC roadlites - durable decent grip in the wet and dry not stellar but good enough for racing, comfortable. Like the GP4000s but way more durable.
schwable Pro One - good dry grip, wet grip is OK but not stellar, cut prone and not that durable abit like the GP4000s really. A good race tyre really
Maxsis Pardone - I have no experience but there are reports of them picking up cuts easily.
Lots of people here have used hutchinson all seasons and the fusions so they can comment on those but the experience on here so far has been mixed.

Thanks for this info! I had already tried the GP4000'S tubeless and although they inflated easily the rear deflated within an hour, the front was better but still loosing pressure over a day or two, wheels are Fucrum racing 5's, using stans sealant and valves. Sounds like i'll be giving Schwalbe a try then

ChainCharlie

Trying tubeless for the first time and running Schwalbe Pro Ones. Nice and supple on a race on Saturday and fuss free on a 100k ride on Sunday.

sloppyschleckonds

ChainCharlie wrote:

Trying tubeless for the first time and running Schwalbe Pro Ones. Nice and supple on a race on Saturday and fuss free on a 100k ride on Sunday.

Where and how much?

ChainCharlie

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

ChainCharlie wrote:

Trying tubeless for the first time and running Schwalbe Pro Ones. Nice and supple on a race on Saturday and fuss free on a 100k ride on Sunday.

Where and how much?

As in where I got them from?

Think they were £34.99 from wiggle each. Not the cheapest tyres but feel good.

cycleclinic

I agree about the roadlites being not that tough i.e they can puncture but they always seal so i am not bothered. There is a new roadlite for 2018 plus new models. Probably find out more at eurobike.

To the guy having trouble with his g one tyre, use flexible superglue and carry some when riding along with worms. I came to the conclusion a while back a tubeless tyre is left on until it is worm out or comprimised. Remove only at home to patch. I dont even bother carry tyre levers when i am out any more or a tube. Worms and flexible superglue although fingers crossed i have not needed them for a good while.

£34.99 is cheap for a tubeless tyre. I find this thinking odd given the tyre's roll in keeping you on the road. Then again i cant fathon why people buy cheap car tyres as the last time i got some in an emergancy the car (e28 bmw) handled very oddly after they where fitted. I left them on for a bit and found a ditch trying to avoid a van which strayed abit on a narrow road. Never again. The car gets conti contact 2's now.

shortfall

thecycleclinic wrote:

I agree about the roadlites being not that tough i.e they can puncture but they always seal so i am not bothered. There is a new roadlite for 2018 plus new models. Probably find out more at eurobike.

To the guy having trouble with his g one tyre, use flexible superglue and carry some when riding along with worms. I came to the conclusion a while back a tubeless tyre is left on until it is worm out or comprimised. Remove only at home to patch. I dont even bother carry tyre levers when i am out any more or a tube. Worms and flexible superglue although fingers crossed i have not needed them for a good while.

£34.99 is cheap for a tubeless tyre. I find this thinking odd given the tyre's roll in keeping you on the road. Then again i cant fathon why people buy cheap car tyres as the last time i got some in an emergancy the car (e28 bmw) handled very oddly after they where fitted. I left them on for a bit and found a ditch trying to avoid a van which strayed abit on a narrow road. Never again. The car gets conti contact 2's now.

I've read on this thread that the sealant forms clumps and can separate over time. Given the difficulty mounting some tubeless tyres and your advice above re keeping them on till they're worn out, is it just a case of removing the valve and topping up with fresh sealant every few months? If so how much should I use?

Thanks.

bobones

Shortfall wrote:

I've read on this thread that the sealant forms clumps and can separate over time. Given the difficulty mounting some tubeless tyres and your advice above re keeping them on till they're worn out, is it just a case of removing the valve and topping up with fresh sealant every few months? If so how much should I use?

Thanks.

30-40 ml is said to be sufficient for a 25mm tyre. You should be able to syringe out the old fluid through the valve before adding the new.

sloppyschleckonds

DO VELOFLEX OR VITTORIA MAKE A DECENT TUBELESS TYRE YET?

Grill

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

DO VELOFLEX OR VITTORIA MAKE A DECENT TUBELESS TYRE YET?

Corsa Speeds.

sloppyschleckonds

Grill wrote:

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

DO VELOFLEX OR VITTORIA MAKE A DECENT TUBELESS TYRE YET?

Corsa Speeds.

In something bigger than 23mm

itboffin

i've been looking at them, the reviews say they come up wide which i can believe the last batch of rubino pro iii before they stopped making them the 23 and 25 are identical on my shimano and fulcrum wheels. FYI both measure 25c

mantel have them for £44

cycleclinic

Clickrumble - the plug psuing out. Where you trying to reinflate to high pressure in which case this was the mistake. the plug + glue will often hold high pressures but not always. In these cases use a low pressure. If I puncture which has not happened for while and I need to plug the tyre I would only reinflate to 40 psi to get me home where I can experiment to see what pressure the fix will hold. I had one that could not hold pressure last year so I patched the tyre like you have and all was well. Never had a plug push out though but maybe that because I try low pressures initially.

Shortfall, yes I top up sealant every so often through the valve core. Your wheels have effetto mariposo sealant I think. This dries out slowly and does not go watery like stans. So just drain more though a open syringe when you think it is time.

cycleclinic

By decent yes if you mean "fast" the corsa speed has a very low Crr but there is not much tyre there. dont expect to last long or be puncture resistant. Like all corsa's it a tyre for dry day and better roads, perhaps a good TT tyre.

bobones

Does anyone have an opinion on Decathlon's own brand sealant?

ugo.santalucia

Anyone tried the Mavic UST rim strip instead of tubeless tape... it seems a neater solution than tape, that never seems to adhere properly... but I fear it only works on rims with no holes (even there, not sure why a rim with no holes needs a UST rim strip)

Any idea?

clickrumble

thecycleclinic wrote:

Clickrumble - the plug psuing out. Where you trying to reinflate to high pressure in which case this was the mistake. the plug + glue will often hold high pressures but not always. In these cases use a low pressure. If I puncture which has not happened for while and I need to plug the tyre I would only reinflate to 40 psi to get me home where I can experiment to see what pressure the fix will hold. I had one that could not hold pressure last year so I patched the tyre like you have and all was well. Never had a plug push out though but maybe that because I try low pressures initially.

Shortfall, yes I top up sealant every so often through the valve core. Your wheels have effetto mariposo sealant I think. This dries out slowly and does not go watery like stans. So just drain more though a open syringe when you think it is time.

Yes you could be right, I didn't try using a lower pressure, just pumped it back up to 80psi or so. I'm not keen on the plugs in the road tyres, seems you do quite a bit more damage to the tyres putting them in so now my inclination is to put a tube in if I get a hole that doesn't seal and then patch the tyre when I get home. Overall I'm quite pleased with tubeless tyres, I've done about 2000 miles and only had one occasion where I've had to put a tube in (caused by the plug coming out!).

cycleclinic

never had a problem with plugs. i would use them on big holes only, flexible superglue first if that fixes it i dont need the plug.

?Just fitted IRC tyres to some fulcrum R1's two way fit and oh my. The valve hole is so big that the valve wont seal against the rim. tyre off sealant everywhere clean up the rim with alcohol to get the tape to adhere (ugo that is the problem here the tape stick just clean with IPA first). fitted tubeless tape to a sealed rim and refitted the valve and bingo the tyre did not inflate witht the joe blow compresor thing. CO2 needed. Let the CO2 out to try to preserve the sealant and drain a tab more in and the tyre pops of the rim even though it was fully seated. After alot of faff got them up in the end but fulcrum 2 way fit wheels could be more tubeless compatible.

samara

ve just had some schwalbe one tubeless tyres delivered from bike24 today. Postage took around 4 days

ddraver

Evening,

Back from my winter season so its time to get this cyclebike thing happening again. I ve ordered some Hutch Fusion 5 Performance so i ll let you know how i get on with them.

ddraver

Update - Super tight getting it on the rim and yet still doesn't go up with a track pump - Instant Fail Hutchinson

Update, 2 x 25g cartridges both were innefective. I got them up with my Topeak Cobra thingum which is controllable so you can whack a whole load or air in at once.

They re going to have to be pretty damn good on the road to make that faff worth it...

cycleclinic

some rim tyre combo's are a problem however co2 failing is a real problem. my joeblow compressor thingy only works with some rims but there are others it fails with.

there is one rim the dtswiss tk540 where co2 and an air charge failed. 10 layers of tape where needed. that was the rim i thn=ink. dt swiss can do better.

fat_tail

I have a pair of Hutchinson Intensive Tubeless in 25mm for sale. Normal retail is £39.99 each. I can sell the pair for £60. Collection from Putney or Canary Wharf. I am looking to fit some 28mm tyres as my new bike has sufficient clearance.

I realise this is not the "For Sale" thread but more likely to get an interested buyer here than elsewhere.

PM me if interested.

thanks

sloppyschleckonds

Is anyone using the Vittoria Corsa Speed G+ Tubeless, and know where is stocking the 25mm version?

itboffin

not tubeless but now the weather has FINALLY warmed up i've been riding my corsa tyres and my god they're amazing, like night and day, so much grip so comfortable, just inspires confidence cornering which frankly over these terrible winter months was beginning to disappear

svetty

itboffin wrote:

not tubeless...

Wrong thread then

itboffin

I keep getting close then hear more horror stories of difficult fit and so so performance and think meh

sloppyschleckonds

itboffin wrote:

I keep getting close then hear more horror stories of difficult fit and so so performance and think meh

Good decision, saves disappointment.

munkster

I keep getting close then hear more horror stories of difficult fit and so so performance and think meh

Difficult fit? Yep. Impossible fit? Nope...

Performance? How is that defined for the average rider I wonder? For me, one ride-ending puncture "event" in over 2 years (one which would have killed any tyre TBF) and thousands of km's is a good enough performance metric for me. Several minor puncture "events" where the tyre hissed and spat at me for a few seconds, but held plenty of pressure to get me home make me feel pretty smug. I may well come unstuck before too long (and a friend who converted to tubeless for commuting has had no end of trouble, but he is using totally different tubeless tyres to me so put that down to that, another friend commutes on the same as me and finds them great) but for now it's been a no-brainer switch. The barrier to entry (tyres, fitting, paraphernalia etc) is undoubtedly a little daunting however, but once you're on board it's a great ride!

This was a broadcast by the tubeless tyre marketing board ;-)

fat_tail

Hutchinson Sector 28 went on Borg 22 wheels from Malcolm... quite difficult to get seated with the airshot. took about 90 mins to get two tyres on wheels.... they look nice though...

g00se

Just in comparison, Schwalbe Pro 1 Evo tyres on chain reaction rr50 carbon rims. Tyres went on by hand, inflated with an Airshot first go. Both wheels set up with sealant in 15 minutes.