Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

cycleclinic · January 2017

I am not sure how got the hump from my reply. There is no asumption there that you dont know what you are doing, you blantely do as you got the things fitted without help.

I have rims ( velocity aileron) where the tyres when new went on easy enough and inflated with a track pump alone but no the bead has stretched they need compressed air. The tyre has had to come of for repair twice and i have had to replace the valve twice as well. It is a pain now they dont inflate as easily as they used too. I am therefore wary of tubeless tyre rim combo's that are are a little too easy to begin with.

My reply is not just to you. There are folks who read this who are new to tubeless tyres and dont know that the bead stretches resulting in the above.

crossed · January 2017

I'm looking for a set of tubeless tyres to use for the Paris Roubaix Sportive this year, is there anything better then the Hutchinson Sector 32's?
The bike will take up to 38's but I will probably be using the same tyres for an Alps trip later in the year and think that 38's may not be ideal.
Another option would be something for PR then possibly something a bit faster for the Alps as long as they don't cost a fortune.

azzurri78 · January 2017

Can anyone comment on how the sectors are for grip, especially on cold and damp roads?

If possible, in comparison to 4 Seasons.

Got a pair waiting to go on but I slid off on Monday (with Challenge Strada Bianca tyres). It was black ice so not sure any tyre (apart from studded) would have helped but I was very nervous on the commute this morning and hoping the tyres will give a bit of reassurance.

ugo.santalucia · January 2017

Crossed wrote:

I'm looking for a set of tubeless tyres to use for the Paris Roubaix Sportive this year, is there anything better then the Hutchinson Sector 32's?
The bike will take up to 38's but I will probably be using the same tyres for an Alps trip later in the year and think that 38's may not be ideal.
Another option would be something for PR then possibly something a bit faster for the Alps as long as they don't cost a fortune.

For Paris-ROubaix I have used a pair of Vittoria XN converted to tubeless... best compromise... I have used them in the mountains as well, not ideal, but not bad either... they wear out quickly though

ugo.santalucia · January 2017

azzurri78 wrote:

Can anyone comment on how the sectors are for grip, especially on cold and damp roads?

If possible, in comparison to 4 Seasons.

Got a pair waiting to go on but I slid off on Monday (with Challenge Strada Bianca tyres). It was black ice so not sure any tyre (apart from studded) would have helped but I was very nervous on the commute this morning and hoping the tyres will give a bit of reassurance.

They are alright, but nothing special... not sure what road tyre is really good in the wet to be honest

roger_merriman · January 2017

ugo.santalucia wrote:

azzurri78 wrote:

Can anyone comment on how the sectors are for grip, especially on cold and damp roads?

If possible, in comparison to 4 Seasons.

Got a pair waiting to go on but I slid off on Monday (with Challenge Strada Bianca tyres). It was black ice so not sure any tyre (apart from studded) would have helped but I was very nervous on the commute this morning and hoping the tyres will give a bit of reassurance.

They are alright, but nothing special... not sure what road tyre is really good in the wet to be honest

at 23/25mm I don't think they put enough rubber on the road, added to the fact that the rubber even "soft" edges is comparatively hard.

I switched my commute etc bike from a SS road bike that I'd had most tyres at some point, To a old MTB and new CX, the difference in wet weather grip was astounding. wider tyres with lower pressures and softer compounds grip better, who'd of thought!

So I would of though that any half decent i.e. not plasticly rubber, gravel/wider tyres would be equally as secure on wet roads.

benpatton · January 2017

azzurri78 wrote:

Can anyone comment on how the sectors are for grip, especially on cold and damp roads?

If possible, in comparison to 4 Seasons.

Got a pair waiting to go on but I slid off on Monday (with Challenge Strada Bianca tyres). It was black ice so not sure any tyre (apart from studded) would have helped but I was very nervous on the commute this morning and hoping the tyres will give a bit of reassurance.

Personally i've found my 28 sectors lethal. I have done the whole summer including a LEJOG in June and found them great, however not the temp has decreased and salt/grit added to the road I am no longer happy to use them. I've put my best bikes 25mm GP4000SII and I am much happier.......

cycleclinic · January 2017

Well for PR you want a grippy tyre. I used challange strada bianca tyres with tubes when i did it thess were good tyres for the course. I have heard these complaints about the sectors grip on wet cold roads. I know what tyres i would use. The same tyres that are on my commutor bike now. Grip is vittoria pave tubular like but without the wear issue. If my sister was not getting married on the the same weekend i would be there. Enjoy you'll love it.

Cross tyres though are a good plan. You can run many tubeless or get a tubeless specific cx tyre. Schwable do a couple.

johngti · January 2017

thecycleclinic wrote:

I know what tyres i would use. The same tyres that are on my commutor bike now. Grip is vittoria pave tubular like but without the wear issue.

The tension is unbearable - what do you have on your commuter bike now?

thegibdog · January 2017

thegibdog wrote:

Have done about 300 miles on my All Seasons now. Inspected them yesterday and they were full of cuts - pulled about half a dozen pieces of glass put of them. One cut on the rear tyre was particularly bad but looks like the sealant did it's job...

As suspected this cut gave out the other day:

Dropped down to about 20psi before it sealed. Pumped it back up this morning but it's flat again tonight. Not sure whether it's even worth sticking a patch inside it?

Counted 10 other cuts on the tyre. Think I might contact Wiggle/Hutchinson, have never had any tyre (including Ultremos) cut up so bad.

In the meantime I've got some Sectors on order, I'm prepared to give Hutchinson one more chance!

stevie63 · January 2017

thegibdog wrote:

thegibdog wrote:

Have done about 300 miles on my All Seasons now. Inspected them yesterday and they were full of cuts - pulled about half a dozen pieces of glass put of them. One cut on the rear tyre was particularly bad but looks like the sealant did it's job...

As suspected this cut gave out the other day:

Dropped down to about 20psi before it sealed. Pumped it back up this morning but it's flat again tonight. Not sure whether it's even worth sticking a patch inside it?

Counted 10 other cuts on the tyre. Think I might contact Wiggle/Hutchinson, have never had any tyre (including Ultremos) cut up so bad.

In the meantime I've got some Sectors on order, I'm prepared to give Hutchinson one more chance!

The problem you may find like I did is that once you take the tyre of the rim to patch is that the bead is now too loose to re seat. Shame as they do have a nice amount of grip but hardly live up to their all weather name.

cycleclinic · January 2017

That a big cut. Push a tyre worm in there properly. Genuine innovations are good ones I have not tried other so can't comment if they are all the same or not. then apply the loctite flexible superglue that I have mentioned before to cover the trimmed worm and the rest of the cut. Let it dry then inflate.
http://www.loctite-consumer.co.uk/en/pr ... rflex.html

If that fails then try the patching but unless the tyre has a butyl lining then patching can be more difficult.
The tyre is fixable I am sure.

in reply to an eariler post the tension is bearable and it should be obvious which tyres I use.

Alex99 · January 2017

thecycleclinic wrote:

That a big cut. Push a tyre worm in there properly. Genuine innovations are good ones I have not tried other so can't comment if they are all the same or not. then apply the loctite flexible superglue that I have mentioned before to cover the trimmed worm and the rest of the cut. Let it dry then inflate.
http://www.loctite-consumer.co.uk/en/pr ... rflex.html

If that fails then try the patching but unless the tyre has a butyl lining then patching can be more difficult.
The tyre is fixable I am sure.

in reply to an eariler post the tension is bearable and it should be obvious which tyres I use.

White Onza Porcupines?

thegibdog · January 2017

stevie63 wrote:

The problem you may find like I did is that once you take the tyre of the rim to patch is that the bead is now too loose to re seat. Shame as they do have a nice amount of grip but hardly live up to their all weather name.

Yep. Patched it this morning and tried to inflate it but it wasn't happening. Gave it another go tonight, after spending half an hour removing dried sealant from the wheel & tyre, and it still wasn't inflating. Was about to put the Padrone* on instead but removed the All Season and re-fitted it one last time, ensuring it was seated centrally all the way around, and it went up! Surprised really as the tyre was worryingly easy to put on.

Cycleclinic - the patch seemed to be holding ok and I applied Loctite Ultra Gel to the cut (& all the others) before re-inflating. It's holding pressure for the time being but I guess time will tell.

*The Maxxis tyre levers that came with the Padrones are great by the way.

bobinski · January 2017

I am running a pair of Achetypes on my commuter/winter bike built up by Ugo. 2 years old and nary a niggle out of them. Having had a very positive experience with tubless, Schwalbe Ones on my best bike i am toying with idea of tubeless on the commuter too. I have a set of voyager hyper 32's ready and a trusted bike shop willing to set them up. Thought i would check here though to see if anyone has done the same and anything to watch out or prepare for.
Cheers
Bob

ugo.santalucia · January 2017

bobinski wrote:

I am running a pair of Achetypes on my commuter/winter bike built up by Ugo. 2 years old and nary a niggle out of them. Having had a very positive experience with tubless, Schwalbe Ones on my best bike i am toying with idea of tubeless on the commuter too. I have a set of voyager hyper 32's ready and a trusted bike shop willing to set them up. Thought i would check here though to see if anyone has done the same and anything to watch out or prepare for.
Cheers
Bob

I tried the Voyager Hyper tubeless on tubeless ready rims... they needed inflating every day... usable for commuting and short rides, but never sealed properly to be trusted for long rides or tours. On the second installation, when the bead got a touch slacker, I could not get air into them, not even with the Air Shot... eventually gave up and used them with inner tubes before I binned them. Mind you, these were the 37 mm, not the 32

Glad the wheels are still serving you well... I seem to recall a delivery saga for these...

bobinski · January 2017

You have a good memory!
Silver rims still look gorgeous too.

All noted. I will let LBS know but get them to give it a go and report back.

thegibdog · January 2017

All Seasons puncture update.

thegibdog wrote:

It's holding pressure for the time being but I guess time will tell.

160-odd miles later and the patch is still working fine.

However, got a puncture on the front this week which self sealed at very low pressure. Limped home and it wouldn't hold more than 70psi when attempting to inflate. Inserted a worm and re-inflated to 100 psi but it was pushed out. Inserted another worm with much more glue, waited before re-inflating and it survived today's 50 miler no problem.

The tubeless/worm combo does seem a much easier puncture repair than having to deal with tubes. I won't be commuting on cycle paths with the All Seasons again though, too much glass about. They're strictly for road duties from now on, although I have the Sectors on standby itching to be used.

ajkerr73 · January 2017

Mantel doing 2 x Schwalbe Ones for £55 this morning

23 or 25mm

shortfall · February 2017

Hi I'm considering going tubeless for my next roadbike wheelset and I've been reading that sealant has a tendency to form solid clumps over time that have to be removed and then the sealant topped up. What sort of frequency can I expect to check for this on my fair weather bike used for about 100 warmish miles per week in Spring through to Autumn?

ugo.santalucia · February 2017

Shortfall wrote:

Hi I'm considering going tubeless for my next roadbike wheelset and I've been reading that sealant has a tendency to form solid clumps over time that have to be removed and then the sealant topped up. What sort of frequency can I expect to check for this on my fair weather bike used for about 100 warmish miles per week in Spring through to Autumn?

It doesn't have to be removed, only topped up every few months... say 3 months or so

shortfall · February 2017

Thanks Ugo. If these clumps continually form and you just top up with new Stan's won't it add unecessary weight over time?

Alex99 · February 2017

Shortfall wrote:

Thanks Ugo. If these clumps continually form and you just top up with new Stan's won't it add unecessary weight over time?

If you google latex sealant you'll see pictures on dried up stuff. There is naff all to it once it's dried out.

LiamW · February 2017

Alex99 wrote:

thecycleclinic wrote:

That a big cut. Push a tyre worm in there properly. Genuine innovations are good ones I have not tried other so can't comment if they are all the same or not. then apply the loctite flexible superglue that I have mentioned before to cover the trimmed worm and the rest of the cut. Let it dry then inflate.
http://www.loctite-consumer.co.uk/en/pr ... rflex.html

If that fails then try the patching but unless the tyre has a butyl lining then patching can be more difficult.
The tyre is fixable I am sure.

in reply to an eariler post the tension is bearable and it should be obvious which tyres I use.

White Onza Porcupines?

Serious blast from the past that!!

iso2000 · February 2017

Just fitted tubeless tyres for the first time, Schwalbe S onto Hunt rims. I'm waiting for the sealant to be delivered so I thought I would fit them dry. First one went on fine, but with the second I found the tyre was leaking from a tiny hole in the tyre. It never occurred to me that a tyre would arrive with a hole in it, as far as I know tyres meant to be used with inner tubes are like this. I'm sure the hole would seal permanently when the sealant is in but I'm going to send it back. What a hassle.

cycleclinic · February 2017

You tried fitting a tubeless tyre without selant mistake! Tubeless tyres are only reliable with sealant they are not meant to be used without selant as a seal canmot be guaranteed. Just put selant in it and ride it or you be sending alot of tyres back.

skeetam · February 2017

drlodge wrote:

jdee84 wrote:

has anyone used that tesa tape that can be bought on ebay as tubeless rim tape? does it work alright?

This is the stuff that Ugo recommended I think, yes used it on my RR440 wheels and it works a treat. I mean its tape right...and it does the job that tape should do.

Bought some of the Tesa Tape off eBay for a tenner and it arrived today. Can't believe how much you get, probably enough to do the whole forum's tubeless tires

I can confirm that it looks and feels just like the Stans rim tape. Now time to be patient and wait for those wheels I ordered to arrive

cycleclinic · February 2017

I might try that good find.

munkster · February 2017

I'm still getting through my roll (it's done several wheels now!) the only thing is the width (19mm?) which seems to mean you have to be doubly careful, particularly on offset rims I think, to make sure the spoke holes are properly covered. I do have "wider" (23mm+) rims as a rule though. Not the stickiest either so needs quite a hard pull when stretching onto the rim bed but it does work...

tincaman · February 2017

Acycles are selling Sector 28's for £33, so a pair delivered for £70
http://www.acycles.co.uk/hutchinson-sector-28-tubeless-folding-tyre-700x28-black-9205.html

Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

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