Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

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  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    g00se wrote:
    The guy who owns one of the local shops swears by it. Says it better than the standard Stans and the 'Endurance' version lasts a long time too. I'm going to try it next time I get some new tyres.

    is that orange seal or stans race ?
    Ridley Fenix SL
  • g00se
    g00se Posts: 2,221
    fat_tail wrote:
    g00se wrote:
    The guy who owns one of the local shops swears by it. Says it better than the standard Stans and the 'Endurance' version lasts a long time too. I'm going to try it next time I get some new tyres.

    is that orange seal or stans race ?

    The 'Endurance' version of Orange Seal

    http://www.gravelcyclist.com/bicycle-te ... e-sealant/

    http://road.cc/content/review/203633-or ... ce-sealant
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    While worms [fat tail] can be permenant on MTB and CX tyres i.e low pressure do not treat them as permanent on a road bike.

    As I have said worms get you out of trouble then you patch at home. London roads full of crap _ no they are not, every time I go to london I see clean roads.

    Patch the roadlite and carry on using it. It will do silly miles. Use stans race sealant as well every little helps.

    Might see if I can wangle some hutchinson's out of hutchinson to see what they are like. If its free I'm game.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • thegibdog
    thegibdog Posts: 2,106
    Sectors £37 at Acycles plus 6% off over €60 with BLACK6 & 12% off over €120 with BLACK12. So £33 each if you buy 3, seems like a good deal.
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  • Fat-Boy-Roubaix
    Fat-Boy-Roubaix Posts: 413
    g00se wrote:
    fat_tail wrote:
    g00se wrote:
    The guy who owns one of the local shops swears by it. Says it better than the standard Stans and the 'Endurance' version lasts a long time too. I'm going to try it next time I get some new tyres.

    is that orange seal or stans race ?

    The 'Endurance' version of Orange Seal

    http://www.gravelcyclist.com/bicycle-te ... range-seal
    Well I am going to try that next time I tyre change, this made me lol at “Stanimals” Knew straight away what they meant. That Gravel Cyclist review doesn't show the same full orange tyre though. They never mention miles either.
  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    While worms [fat tail] can be permenant on MTB and CX tyres i.e low pressure do not treat them as permanent on a road bike.

    As I have said worms get you out of trouble then you patch at home. London roads full of crap _ no they are not, every time I go to london I see clean roads.

    Patch the roadlite and carry on using it. It will do silly miles. Use stans race sealant as well every little helps.

    Might see if I can wangle some hutchinson's out of hutchinson to see what they are like. If its free I'm game.

    we will agree to disagree re London roads.

    fwiw the Hutchinson Intensive II in 25mm measure exactly 25mm on 23mm rims. the Roadlites 25mm come up to 27mm. If, like me, your bike doesn't have a lot of clearance at the back you may need to consider this. For this reason I may well stick with the Intensives.
    Ridley Fenix SL
  • cgfw201
    cgfw201 Posts: 680
    I'm running clinchers on my Mavic Ksyrium Elite S (2013) wheels at the moment.

    Only recently discovered that tubeless was a thing, assumed it was another name for tubular...are my wheels tubeless compatible?

    Seems to be mixed answers online.
  • Fat-Boy-Roubaix
    Fat-Boy-Roubaix Posts: 413
    cgfw201 wrote:
    I'm running clinchers on my Mavic Ksyrium Elite S (2013) wheels at the moment.

    Only recently discovered that tubeless was a thing, assumed it was another name for tubular...are my wheels tubeless compatible?

    Seems to be mixed answers online.
    I think someone on another forum I frequent has done it . A tubeless ready rim and tubeless tyre has the hook and beads that snap together when inflated and give that bang sound similar to a car tyre being inflated. Not saying it wouldn't work but I wouldn't fancy it add the pressures I wouldn't fancy a ghetto conversion but I am a bit sensitive to tyres blowing off the rim at the wrong moment!!.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    cgfw201 wrote:
    I'm running clinchers on my Mavic Ksyrium Elite S (2013) wheels at the moment.

    Only recently discovered that tubeless was a thing, assumed it was another name for tubular...are my wheels tubeless compatible?

    Seems to be mixed answers online.

    Yes, lots of people use the ksyrium with tubeless tyres, although they are not ust rims
    left the forum March 2023
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    edited November 2016
    Some no UST rims can be converted easily other cannot. The high pressures will prevent the tyre blowing off the rim but at low pressure/no pressure the tyre can unseat which mean it will not reinflate easily leaving you stranded potentially if you loose all the air.

    fat tail the 23mm roadlite comes up at 24.5mm on wide rims.

    Also the formula pro tyres from IRC come up at the width they should do on wide rims. Yes you have to know this before buying or else you may lack clearance.

    I had clearance issues with a schwable one 28mm because it was 31mm wide.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • tincaman
    tincaman Posts: 508
    Paie of tubeless £49.99

    http://shop.maxxis.co.uk/products/26002 ... KSHIELD-TR
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    tincaman wrote:
    Paie of tubeless £49.99

    http://shop.maxxis.co.uk/products/26002 ... KSHIELD-TR

    They are supposed to be very good AND in 28 mm size... ordered a pair!
    left the forum March 2023
  • Fat-Boy-Roubaix
    Fat-Boy-Roubaix Posts: 413
    Arrrggg, just as I set my sights on the Sectors next!! Reckon Ugo gets through tyres like me!?!
  • tim_wand
    tim_wand Posts: 2,552
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    tincaman wrote:
    Paie of tubeless £49.99

    http://shop.maxxis.co.uk/products/26002 ... KSHIELD-TR

    They are supposed to be very good AND in 28 mm size... ordered a pair!


    Just pressed the button myself. Two decent 700 x 28c for less than £50 , no brainer, going to save my Schwalbe ones getting destroyed over winter. Just hope they are easy to fit to my Kinesis CX discs with my Spanner thumbs.

    Gives me an excuse to see if my home made Ghetto air shot works properly.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:
    Arrrggg, just as I set my sights on the Sectors next!! Reckon Ugo gets through tyres like me!?!

    I did over 4000 miles with my last pair of sector... now I have a new pair on, they will last until May or June I guess. I also have Sector 32 on the single speed bike, hopefully they will last until summer as well

    Between the two bikes I do about 8000 miles per year, so a pair each at the very least
    left the forum March 2023
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    tim wand wrote:

    Gives me an excuse to see if my home made Ghetto air shot works properly.

    I bought the real thing... it works OK, but it's hardly an air-bomb
    left the forum March 2023
  • Fat-Boy-Roubaix
    Fat-Boy-Roubaix Posts: 413
    That's a great distance on the Sectors - reckon the S-Ones would get up to around that nothing else so far comes close for me distance wise. The Maxxis do they review puncture wise similar to the Sector? Two bikes about 7-7.5k miles per year for me at the moment. Lots more tyres though lol

    Might change my route to work slightly to avoid the recycling centre debris, pretty sure that's my main issue I rode a bike with tubes last winter and got two punctures in a week.
  • tim_wand
    tim_wand Posts: 2,552
    Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:
    That's a great distance on the Sectors - reckon the S-Ones would get up to around that nothing else so far comes close for me distance wise. The Maxxis do they review puncture wise similar to the Sector? Two bikes about 7-7.5k miles per year for me at the moment. Lots more tyres though lol

    Might change my route to work slightly to avoid the recycling centre debris, pretty sure that's my main issue I rode a bike with tubes last winter and got two punctures in a week.

    http://themartincox.co.uk/review-maxxis-padrone-700x28/


    All I could find ( don't know why the maxxis guy doesn't add sealant in the Vid???) but seem pretty good.
    Was going to go for S Ones in a 30 from crc would have worked out at £88 so happy to give these a go as I don't ride anything that isn't tarmac.
  • dork_knight
    dork_knight Posts: 405
    Just ordered the Padrone as well at that price, thanks for the link tincaman.
    The path of my life is strewn with cowpats from the devil's own satanic herd.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Where the sector 28's worn out after 4000 miles or just ruined with cuts.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    Where the sector 28's worn out after 4000 miles or just ruined with cuts.

    There wasn't a lot of rubber left... not too many cuts, I just decided they had done their job and didn't want to find myself 50 miles from home with a tyre split in half.
    Someone else would have probably squeezed another 2000 miles out of them... but I am the kind of person who replaces car tyres when they've got 3 mm of thread left

    Tyres are what keep you upright... better be in decent nick
    left the forum March 2023
  • Fat-Boy-Roubaix
    Fat-Boy-Roubaix Posts: 413
    Read that some regular riders spend a few minutes picking stuff out of the tyre after a ride, something I have never done, anyone do that?

    All my tyre being binned have been due to cuts or bulging repairs, I do have 4 tyres hanging up that have life but need patching, hung them with good intentions. I was the same with tubes carried new ones and bought the old ones home to repair and rarely if ever did repair them!
  • oldbazza
    oldbazza Posts: 646
    Yep do that every now and then and any big cuts I fill in with rubber patch glue.
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  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    what is the best way of getting the Genuine Innovations worms into the fork (tool) ? I have tried forcing the fork through and that is quite often hit or miss (or hit and miss). It would seem that one should be able to thread through the side like a needle and thread but that would require compressing the worm considerably.
    Ridley Fenix SL
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,312
    Sector 32 back in stock at Wiggle at 25 quid each if you have platinum status
    left the forum March 2023
  • tim_wand
    tim_wand Posts: 2,552
    Maxxis Pradones arrived today. Great service ordered at the weekend and here Tuesday , so not bad at all.

    Initial fit onto rim ( Kinesis CX Disc ) far too easy, soaped them up but reckon there was no need.

    However cant get them to seal onto the rim ( My old Schwalbe ones never leaked air ) , tried my home made air shot, no bones, tried working really fast with the track pump. Still no good. Don't seem to have seated around the valve.

    Tried two different valves. Stans and Velo Orange, no difference.

    Reckon they need a blast on a compressor . Will have to beg the LBS.

    I ve now fitted with a tube inside try and get the tyre to seat, but realise the moment I take the tube out this seal will break again.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with the tyre. just my inexperience, I got my Wheels with the Schwalbes fitted so have never tried to mount tubleless myself before.

    Any hints, it certainly aint as easy as the guy shows in the video I posted. Hopefully a compressor will sort it.

    Any tips guys.
  • g00se
    g00se Posts: 2,221
    If they're that easy to fit, then they're too loose to seal. You'll need to build up the rim bed with tape.
  • fat_tail
    fat_tail Posts: 786
    tim wand wrote:
    Maxxis Pradones arrived today. Great service ordered at the weekend and here Tuesday , so not bad at all.

    Initial fit onto rim ( Kinesis CX Disc ) far too easy, soaped them up but reckon there was no need.

    However cant get them to seal onto the rim ( My old Schwalbe ones never leaked air ) , tried my home made air shot, no bones, tried working really fast with the track pump. Still no good. Don't seem to have seated around the valve.

    Tried two different valves. Stans and Velo Orange, no difference.

    Reckon they need a blast on a compressor . Will have to beg the LBS.

    I ve now fitted with a tube inside try and get the tyre to seat, but realise the moment I take the tube out this seal will break again.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with the tyre. just my inexperience, I got my Wheels with the Schwalbes fitted so have never tried to mount tubleless myself before.

    Any hints, it certainly aint as easy as the guy shows in the video I posted. Hopefully a compressor will sort it.

    Any tips guys.

    co2 should do it
    Ridley Fenix SL
  • tim_wand
    tim_wand Posts: 2,552
    g00se wrote:
    If they're that easy to fit, then they're too loose to seal. You'll need to build up the rim bed with tape.


    Thought this myself. Will go with another layer of Rim Tape. although why it was Okay with the Schwalbes . I don't know.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Schwable and IRC know how tight a tubeless tyre needs to be to fit and make them to this standard.

    Some other manufacturers make them so they are easy to fit but then they wont seal.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.

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