Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

fat_tail

drlodge wrote:

fat_tail wrote:

DO you reckon the ROadlites are OK for Winter riding ?

Depends on what you mean by winter riding. Should be as good as most tyres and should also repair themselves with the sealant. Might use more durable tyres on really rough conditions but for riding when its wet and some debris on the roads - fine.

I have these on my two best bikes (Massive Attack and Rourke), and have Conti 4 seasons on the winter bike but will use the Rourke when its fairly dry during the winter.

the lack of tread was my major concern... i guess everyone will now tell me tread on a bicycle tyre is redundant !

drlodge

fat_tail wrote:

the lack of tread was my major concern... i guess everyone will now tell me tread on a bicycle tyre is redundant !

Yes, tread is pretty much irrelevant. Any decent tyre should withstand stones, while thorns are going to puncture any tyre unless its bullet proof. Hence my thought that roadlites are much like any other tyre other than those that have a bullet proof belt on them and ride like a sack of sh1t.

ddraver

bendertherobot wrote:

Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:

looks like all they have done is renamed the S-One to the G-One Speed.

Ridiculous that now in the 4th Gen? That they have not come out with a 25mm &28mm endurance type tyre.

My S-One tubeless are well on the way to 5k miles and still going strong would love a 25mm in this style of tyre.

To be fair, at least they're doing something, and have quite a big ish range now. Meanwhile, over at Conti.

Further tweets suggest they are also working on getting the G-One out in 25c too...

One must remember that they have a HUGE market in European city bikes too so it does make a tiny bit of sense they re spreading in that direction too (although I still don't quite see how tubeless makes sense for those bikes)

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

Apart from Ugo no love for Hutchinson? The Fusion 5 looks like a massive investment in Tubeless covering nearly all the bases in weights and sizes?

Not sure what to do as it is close to Autumn get another set of S-Ones or try out the Fusion 5 in 25mm, decisions.

The ones I have in 23mm you can clearly see the different materials used on the sidewall to the tread.

Contrary to what everyone says about tread being useless on bikes I think it helps preserve the tyre from dying from a 1000 cuts I cannot back it up with anything scientific though and its probably the compounds used but every tyre clincher or tubeless with some sort of tread seem to survive longer.

munkster

Apart from Ugo no love for Hutchinson?

I'm going to stick with Hutchinsons from now on I think. I've been fairly happy with the Intensives on the winter bike and the Fusion 5 Galactik are nice on the summer bike.

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

munkster wrote:

Apart from Ugo no love for Hutchinson?

I'm going to stick with Hutchinsons from now on I think. I've been fairly happy with the Intensives on the winter bike and the Fusion 5 Galactik are nice on the summer bike.

Can you still get those? Thought they would go with the new Fusion 5?

munkster

I got some from Wiggle not long ago they are out of stock at present but says they'll be back. Assuming you're referring to the Intensives?

fat_tail

munkster wrote:

I got some from Wiggle not long ago they are out of stock at present but says they'll be back. Assuming you're referring to the Intensives?

I am hoping that wiggle will get the intensives in October. I may need a new rear tyre by then

munkster

Acycles may have them too...?

stevie63

Yeah, I've just gone for the Fusion 5 All Weathers from A cycles (£42 instead of the nearly 60 that wiggle are charging) Ordered Monday out for delivery today. Annoyingly CRC have them for £40 but they only stock them in 23mm.

oldbazza

Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:

Apart from Ugo no love for Hutchinson? The Fusion 5 looks like a massive investment in Tubeless covering nearly all the bases in weights and sizes?

Really pleased with the Sectors when I had them on the Planet X,may pop them on the winter bike that has Zondas on so will prob run them with tubes although tempted to give 'em a try ghetto stylee.Mind you the Clement Stradas that are on there have to wear out first.

Really,really(I mean really ) impressed with the Schwalbe S-Ones though,running them at 60 psi now and they just feel lush.

bendertherobot

See, I have people saying lush now. Such a great word.

bmxboy10

So what's the secret to getting the valves to seal? Fitted some Sectors the co2 blast meant the tyre seated on the rim but air is leaking from around the valve I think

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

My S-One rear is on its way out - So ordered some 25mm Hutchinson All Season. One because I want to see how different the 30m S-One vs 25mm tyre feels on the bike whiles its still warm etc as this bike has only ever had 28mm or 30mm and will run the new tyres until Oct. Then I just need a new S-One rear.

The S-One has been the best experience thus far with tubeless for fire and forget riding, stay inflated @ 60psi for a good 10 days before a top up. Have sealed without me knowing. Puncture free riding Jan- to Sept the rear tread is almost gone in the centre one big cut/hole down to the thread but not much else. I said earlier it was 5k miles but I think it is probably closer to 4k, still 2500 miles more than I was getting out of the Pro ones and I think with a patch or two I would trust it for 1-2k more miles in the Spring

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

solboy10 wrote:

So what's the secret to getting the valves to seal? Fitted some Sectors the co2 blast meant the tyre seated on the rim but air is leaking from around the valve I think

Tighten it up, assume you have tried that?

Sealant in the tyre?

What sort of wheel and tape?

bmxboy10

Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:

solboy10 wrote:

So what's the secret to getting the valves to seal? Fitted some Sectors the co2 blast meant the tyre seated on the rim but air is leaking from around the valve I think

Tighten it up, assume you have tried that?

Sealant in the tyre?

What sort of wheel and tape?

Prolite Revos with prolite tape. Tried tightening the valve and managed to muller it! Tried again now out of co2! Try again tomorrow bit of a mare I must say

munkster

So what's the secret to getting the valves to seal?

Assuming it's not a bigger issue I hold the wheel so the valve is at 6 o'clock so that the sealant is down the bottom then whip so the wheel is in the horizontal plane so that sealant gets washed over the valve inside. Repeat a few times, jiggle a bit, slosh a bit, say a few prayers, should seal. HTH :-)

ps - not meant to use CO2 to get tubeless up - "freezes" the sealant as I was told on here (this thread even maybe!). I have an "Airshot" which is probably overkill but works for me!

staffo

solboy10 wrote:

So what's the secret to getting the valves to seal? Fitted some Sectors the co2 blast meant the tyre seated on the rim but air is leaking from around the valve I think

I had a similar issue when I first tried fitting my S-Ones. Tried inflating many times and gave up. Tried again the next day, checked the rim tape and realised the cause was a small slit around a spoke hole next to the valve.

bmxboy10

staffo wrote:

solboy10 wrote:

So what's the secret to getting the valves to seal? Fitted some Sectors the co2 blast meant the tyre seated on the rim but air is leaking from around the valve I think

I had a similar issue when I first tried fitting my S-Ones. Tried inflating many times and gave up. Tried again the next day, checked the rim tape and realised the cause was a small slit around a spoke hole next to the valve.

Did you need to fit rim tape?

staffo

solboy10 wrote:

staffo wrote:

solboy10 wrote:

So what's the secret to getting the valves to seal? Fitted some Sectors the co2 blast meant the tyre seated on the rim but air is leaking from around the valve I think

I had a similar issue when I first tried fitting my S-Ones. Tried inflating many times and gave up. Tried again the next day, checked the rim tape and realised the cause was a small slit around a spoke hole next to the valve.

Did you need to fit rim tape?

Yes, tubeless rim tape. I just added another layer and that fixed it.

bmxboy10

So is it normal to have to fit tubeless rim tape to tubeless ready wheels? Read up on my wheels and it says not supplied with Rim strips or valves. What's the difference between a rim strip and tape? I assumed tubeless ready meant fitting a valve and sealant job done.

ugo.santalucia

solboy10 wrote:

So is it normal to have to fit tubeless rim tape to tubeless ready wheels? Read up on my wheels and it says not supplied with Rim strips or valves. What's the difference between a rim strip and tape? I assumed tubeless ready meant fitting a valve and sealant job done.

holes = tape
No holes = no tape

fat_tail

staffo wrote:

solboy10 wrote:

staffo wrote:

solboy10 wrote:

So what's the secret to getting the valves to seal? Fitted some Sectors the co2 blast meant the tyre seated on the rim but air is leaking from around the valve I think

I had a similar issue when I first tried fitting my S-Ones. Tried inflating many times and gave up. Tried again the next day, checked the rim tape and realised the cause was a small slit around a spoke hole next to the valve.

Did you need to fit rim tape?

Yes, tubeless rim tape. I just added another layer and that fixed it.

I had a similar problem with leakage at the valve (different rim). Finally solved by putting some petroleum jelly on the base of the valve stem.

bmxboy10

It was the bloody rim tape leaking!

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

Hutchinson All Season 25mm on to Grail ZTR rims went on without any need for a tyre lever, easier than brand new S-Ones. I am crap at that normally and always lever every tubeless I have tried.

Couldn't get them up with a track pump so had to use CO2 to inflate them and snap them in Same with every tyre on the Grails, I think it is because it is quite wide internally. Held that air for an hour before I let the CO2 out and filled with sealant. Almost too easy. They look really thin compared to the S-One!

Is the CO2 & Sealant and myth or a fact that the CO2 buggers the sealant?

Looking forward to my commute tomorrow will be interesting to see if the S-One slowed me down or not. I will rely on the weeks time rather than a few rides.

Then will have to wait and see how reliable they are and cuts etc.

They do look really nice and the centre seems to have a layer of something under the rubber.

stevie63

I used co2 before and I didn't find any issue with the sealant. In fact when the tyre exploded and I had to put a tube there was loads on sealant on the road.

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

Enjoyed the ride, tyres made it feel like a completely different bike. Unsurprisingly I suppose going from 30mm with slight knobble to more or less slick 25mm. Faster was one aspect but simple things like out of the saddle, cornering the bike felt really different.

Anyway looks like I will probably have the choice of either a sprightly bike with less reliable rubber or a slightly sloth bike but ultra reliable rubber.

Tyre held all their air overnight. running 95psi. On the side wall says 90psi to 115psi. Again seem quite high, any reason you wouldn't run them at 80-90psi? Sure this is a contributor to why the thinner tyres cut up more and seem to detract from one of the benefit of tubeless and lack of pinch flats.

drlodge

Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:

On the side wall says 90psi to 115psi. Again seem quite high, any reason you wouldn't run them at 80-90psi? Sure this is a contributor to why the thinner tyres cut up more and seem to detract from one of the benefit of tubeless and lack of pinch flats.

I run 23c tyres and used to pump them up to around 110psi or so. Now with 23c tubeless I pump them to 80psi front, 90psi rear so with 25c you can go a bit lower than that.

cycleclinic

If you can mount a tyre by hand/if I can mount it by hand it will not go up with a track pump alone. this is because the fit is too loose. it has to be so tight that I cant get it on and I am pretty good at getting tight tyres on by hand. That is the reason why you needed CO2 fatboyroubaix. Tubeless tyres should be a very tight fit. If they are not you have to use compressed air. I find this a pain and good tubeless tyre levers make easy work of mounting a tight tubeless tyre.

Just got details of the new IRC RBCC tyre. A while back I mentioned a new version was out (I have been testing a pair and now got them) but I was unclear exactly what the changes where. The thread pattern is a file thread because a Japanese race team requested it, the RBCC compound has been revised to improve grip and it is now applied further down the shoulder of the tyre than before and the overall width of the 25 and 28mm tyres is that width on wide rims. I figure IRC realised that wide rims are common now so tyres might as well be the quoted width on a wide rim. The other formula pro tyres have the file thread but there are no compound changes that I am aware of.

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

I think, and I am no expert it is as much to do with the rim in my case the tyres seem to just migrate into the centre well and I cannot get them out its a bit of a faff getting them to stay over the valve. Unless I am missing a trick?

Managed to mount them both arse about face lol not that it matters just irritates me. I couple of observations they are a little square not sure how to describe it and look less than a 25mm and are quite low profile for want of a better word. Looking at where the road grime has stuck they have a big contact patch. The Garmin has auto calculated the wheel size @ 2086 which is a surprise my commute was measured a tiny bit longer on both trips today. Will put the tread around the right way at the weekend!