Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

benpatton

I had my first puncture using tubeless last week (mid way through a LEJOG), on my Hutchinson Sectors. Did all the steps by the book, stopped, turned wheel until hole was at the bottom. Hole eventually sealed and I managed to ride to the overnight stop on a soft tyre.

Next day the tyre started leaking again and dumped the remains of the original 40ml of Stans sealant onto the road. Fortunately I was only a few miles from the days end. I ended up taking the tire off. Checked there was no debris in the hole. Superglued up the hole in the tread, and applied a standard tube patch to the inside of the tire. Added more sealant, pumped on the tyre and the tire is still inflated today.

I was not that impressed as the hole could have been no more than 2mm. I have used tubeless for around 3 years and this was the first time I have knowingly had a puncture. I am going to order some Stans Pro Race sealant, and do some testing with that. The sealant idea appears to be great with low pressure situations, but must struggle with the high pressures used on a road.

drlodge

I've had one puncture on the Schwalbe Ones, kept moving until the hole sealed and I wonder if thats the trick in order to keep the sealant on the hole?

ddraver

drlodge wrote:

I've had one puncture on the Schwalbe Ones, kept moving until the hole sealed and I wonder if thats the trick in order to keep the sealant on the hole?

Fo sho!

Stopping never helps (though is often the only option...)

fat_tail

drlodge wrote:

I've had one puncture on the Schwalbe Ones, kept moving until the hole sealed and I wonder if thats the trick in order to keep the sealant on the hole?

unfortunately this is not always an option if you have to stop at lights which is what happened to me

g00se

I was having al kinds of trouble getting an IRC Formula Pro to seat on the rim beds. The rim had two loops of Stans tape (though not freshly installed). The solution was fresh tape and they went up with a track pump.

I've heard good things about Orange Endurance Sealant so may give that a try the next time I install new tyres (don't want to risk mixing sealants).

ddraver

fat_tail wrote:

drlodge wrote:

I've had one puncture on the Schwalbe Ones, kept moving until the hole sealed and I wonder if thats the trick in order to keep the sealant on the hole?

unfortunately this is not always an option if you have to stop at lights which is what happened to me

I tried to spin the wheel once and ended up coated in sealant - it's called a Stan's Bukkake* for a reason...

*(if you don't know that particular Adult term DO NOT google it at work!! :shock: )

drlodge

ddraver wrote:

I tried to spin the wheel once and ended up coated in sealant - it's called a Stan's Bukkake* for a reason...

More of a problem with Japanese made tyres? :shock: :P

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

Posted this before but only one ride stopping puncture in 2 years 10k+ miles. It took me an hour or more in the pissing rain to get it sorted with a tube. The time was not using levers in fear of killing the tube 23mm Ones on a Fulcrum zero - still amazed I didn't pinch the tube.

Anyway long story short got up to flat tyre and puddle of sealant one morning - quite big leak. So whipped the wheel off took off half the tyre. Wiped inside with a microfiber until dry - roughed it up, glue and a tubeless tyre patch. Quite easy and much quicker than sticking a tube in, the leaked sealant marks the spot where you need a patch so can work blind as it were, I did use an larger patch. That tyre is still in use now. I now only carry the stuff to do this so will wait and see if I can do it at the roadside..

Stans "Race" Sealant is supposed to do larger holes. http://www.notubes.com/Stans-Race-Seala ... P1977.aspx

ddraver

Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:

Stans "Race" Sealant is supposed to do larger holes. http://www.notubes.com/Stans-Race-Seala ... P1977.aspx

Yarp, but i think that really is only for race day though...as in it will dry up quickly

edit - or maybe not actually...

fat_tail

ddraver wrote:

Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:

Stans "Race" Sealant is supposed to do larger holes. http://www.notubes.com/Stans-Race-Seala ... P1977.aspx

Yarp, but i think that really is only for race day though...as in it will dry up quickly

edit - or maybe not actually...

anyone used the "Genuine Innovations" repair kit for tubeless ?

dork_knight

I tend to carry the following on all rides except for my commutes;
http://www.effettomariposa.eu/en/produc ... /espresso/
http://www.dynaplug.com/bike.html

Yet to need them though.

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

fat_tail wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:

Stans "Race" Sealant is supposed to do larger holes. http://www.notubes.com/Stans-Race-Seala ... P1977.aspx

Yarp, but i think that really is only for race day though...as in it will dry up quickly

edit - or maybe not actually...

anyone used the "Genuine Innovations" repair kit for tubeless ?

Always seemed a bit counter intuitive seemed like you make the hole bigger and ended up with a lump in the tyre.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/velo ... lsrc=aw.ds

Not sure if it is any different to tube patch kit to be honest.

coops1967

Yes - I've got that genuine Innovations kit. Works fine.

Had a slightly larger slow puncture in a Schwalbe Pro One, jammed the plug in and at first due to not enough sealant in the tyre, it would be flat when left overnight (fine during the ride as the plug kept any leak down to a very slow one).

Put some more sealant in, pumped it up and span the wheel and it was back to perfect, holding pressure same as the front.

https://www.amazon.com/Innovations-Tube ... B01EOMTI0M

'Sahmurai Sword' is a very similar kit that fits in your bar ends - I didn't need to ream out the hole in a 28mm road tyre, though, just push the plug in with the small tool and done.

homers_double

A quickly... Can GP 4000s2 hot chillie be run tubeless?

MisterMuncher

No. You can try, but they're not made for it, and at road pressures you'll probably come to grief quickly and painfully.

homers_double

Thanks for that, it confirmed my internetting as such.

kafkathedog

Bike Discount have S-ones back in stock finally:

https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/schwalbe-s-one-evo-osc-tl-easy-30-622-folding-516343

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

kafkathedog wrote:

Bike Discount have S-ones back in stock finally:

https://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/schwalbe-s-one-evo-osc-tl-easy-30-622-folding-516343

Gone past the 3500 mile mark on these, puncture free starting to wear down the knobbles in the middle now! A few times I will park the bike and come back and see a circular wet patch but these don't even lose any pressure over the course of a week. Even when they do I have ridden them at 40psi without any issues. I can't bring myself to buy the Hutchinson all season tubeless as these are still fine. I am still not convinced by the wider (this wide) is better. Still feel they are slowing me down a bit. But so far my best experience with a tubeless tyre.

If Schwalbe had any sense this would their next launch this thickness of compound in a 25mm

ddraver

those of you who saw my other thread might want to know that I had a ride out on the new Shimano Ultegra 6800 Wheels last night.

Rear went up with a new Pro One but I had to use CO2 on the front, not really sure why but I think part of the problem may be that my track pump is not long for this world...

Most reviews of these wheels say that they re light, stiff and strong and it seems to be that way for me too. I'm not a natural cyclist shape being the wrong side of 100kg (but well below their 120kg limit) and they feel insanely, near brutally stiff. They re about 100g heavier than the Fulcrum Racing 3s they replaces but I'm not really sure I can tell the difference.

Given that almost everywhere has them available for 300Eur I think they re a steal.

eric_draven

Iv'e been looking at going tubeless for a short while now,and have looked at some Schwalbe Pro One Evo's,but they have a 70kg weight limit on these and i'm about 90-92kg,has anyone as a heavier rider had any problems with these,trying to find out now as going to the alps in a few weeks time,and don't really want to find out over there,I'm in need of some new rubber anyways thought i would go tubeless as to just replacing my GP4000's

ugo.santalucia

eric draven wrote:

Iv'e been looking at going tubeless for a short while now,and have looked at some Schwalbe Pro One Evo's,but they have a 70kg weight limit on these and i'm about 90-92kg,has anyone as a heavier rider had any problems with these,trying to find out now as going to the alps in a few weeks time,and don't really want to find out over there,I'm in need of some new rubber anyways thought i would go tubeless as to just replacing my GP4000's

it's 70 Kg load on the tyre... basically it means 140 Kg for the pair, give or take... it's misleading and not sure why Schwalbe don't address it

eric_draven

ugo.santalucia wrote:

eric draven wrote:

Iv'e been looking at going tubeless for a short while now,and have looked at some Schwalbe Pro One Evo's,but they have a 70kg weight limit on these and i'm about 90-92kg,has anyone as a heavier rider had any problems with these,trying to find out now as going to the alps in a few weeks time,and don't really want to find out over there,I'm in need of some new rubber anyways thought i would go tubeless as to just replacing my GP4000's

it's 70 Kg load on the tyre... basically it means 140 Kg for the pair, give or take... it's misleading and not sure why Schwalbe don't address it

Well spotted I'm a bit dim at times,cool they should take my lard ar*e no problem then

thomasmorris

Does anyone know where bontrager r3s are in stock, 25mm?

skeetam

No but the R2 is excellent, very easy to fit and in stock through the link below. I use the 26mm which is comparable to the Schwalbe One 25mm.

http://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/components-c9/tyres-c125/bontrager-r2-hard-case-lite-tlr-tyre-p14521

They're unlike the new Schwalbe One Evo Tubeless which I simply could not get to seat on a Pacenti SL23 rim. They seem slightly smaller than the previous Schwalbe One Tubeless and no matter how much air I blasted into them the bead would not come out of the central channel (bit with the spoke holes). Anyone else had any experience with them?

thomasmorris

Thanks

I really liked my R3's in 25mm. It's a shame I can't find them anywhere now. I used them for racing, but these wheels are going on my winter / training bike now, so the downgrade to R2's shouldn't be an issue.

I'm contemplating trying out another tyre though. Initially I was thinking Schwalbe One as they used to be very popular, but looking recently they don't seem to be as highly rated.

Or I could try a IRC roadlite, which seem to be in vogue. I'd never heard of these before reading this thread though.

fat_tail

thomasmorris wrote:

Thanks

I really liked my R3's in 25mm. It's a shame I can't find them anywhere now. I used them for racing, but these wheels are going on my winter / training bike now, so the downgrade to R2's shouldn't be an issue.

I'm contemplating trying out another tyre though. Initially I was thinking Schwalbe One as they used to be very popular, but looking recently they don't seem to be as highly rated.

Or I could try a IRC roadlite, which seem to be in vogue. I'd never heard of these before reading this thread though.

+1 for IRC Roadlites... beautiful ride.

g00se

IRC Formula Pros are good too. Feel Like Schwalbe Ones but don't cut up.

oldbazza

fat_tail wrote:

thomasmorris wrote:

Thanks

I really liked my R3's in 25mm. It's a shame I can't find them anywhere now. I used them for racing, but these wheels are going on my winter / training bike now, so the downgrade to R2's shouldn't be an issue.

I'm contemplating trying out another tyre though. Initially I was thinking Schwalbe One as they used to be very popular, but looking recently they don't seem to be as highly rated.

Or I could try a IRC roadlite, which seem to be in vogue. I'd never heard of these before reading this thread though.

+1 for IRC Roadlites... beautiful ride.

Going for these next;my Pro Ones are not long for this world,lots of cuts and the rear is wearing out.Also has a weird bulge on the rear as well.

How do the Roadlights size up?The Schwalbe 23's come up at about 26mm wide on the Hunt aero wide 32 rims and there's not too much room on the Helium;think Ridley state 28 max.

jdee84

Just recevied my roadlites from TCC yesterday very quick turn around. Front one went on pacenti sl23 without too much fuss and went up with the track up after about 30 seconds of effort. Rear was a different story took a real struggle to get it on, used some water and washing up liquid to help it, but couldn't get it to inflate with the pump but it went up with some co2.

I'd say the roadlites in 25 are sitting about 27 on my rims.

How much sealant would people use per tyre?

g00se

I use about 30ml per road tyre. Half of one of the Stans small bottles (2oz). That's about half of what's recommended for an MTB tyre. For what it's worth, this seems to agree too:

http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com ... ss-sealant