Road tubeless tyres, where and how much?

jdee84

g00se wrote:

I use about 30ml per road tyre. Half of one of the Stans small bottles (2oz). That's about half of what's recommended for an MTB tyre. For what it's worth, this seems to agree too:

http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com ... ss-sealant

thanks! It said 50ml or 60ml on the bottle i think but i was thinking 30 myself as it seemed to be a mtb tyre on the bottle.

fat_tail

oldbazza wrote:

fat_tail wrote:

thomasmorris wrote:

Thanks

I really liked my R3's in 25mm. It's a shame I can't find them anywhere now. I used them for racing, but these wheels are going on my winter / training bike now, so the downgrade to R2's shouldn't be an issue.

I'm contemplating trying out another tyre though. Initially I was thinking Schwalbe One as they used to be very popular, but looking recently they don't seem to be as highly rated.

Or I could try a IRC roadlite, which seem to be in vogue. I'd never heard of these before reading this thread though.

+1 for IRC Roadlites... beautiful ride.

Going for these next;my Pro Ones are not long for this world,lots of cuts and the rear is wearing out.Also has a weird bulge on the rear as well.

How do the Roadlights size up?The Schwalbe 23's come up at about 26mm wide on the Hunt aero wide 32 rims and there's not too much room on the Helium;think Ridley state 28 max.

my 25 mm roadlites come up to 27mm on Hunt Dura 23 mm wheels... not much room left in the back ...

oldbazza

Ok thanks for that;might get away with 25's but will probably play safe with 23's.

munkster

@oldbazza...

I went directly from 25mm Schwalbe Ones to 25mm IRC Roadlites on Pacenti SL23s and found that they were almost exactly the same size in profile.

Didn't measure however the Ones were marginal on clearance and the Roadlites weren't much better basically. HTH!

oldbazza

munkster wrote:

@oldbazza...

I went directly from 25mm Schwalbe Ones to 25mm IRC Roadlites on Pacenti SL23s and found that they were almost exactly the same size in profile.

Didn't measure however the Ones were marginal on clearance and the Roadlites weren't much better basically. HTH!

Ta;I'll probably go for the 23's then.

Had a puncture on the rear today on the way out for the club ride,sealant did it's job and I topped the air up at the meeting point.Stayed ok until the cafe stop although I could feel it was loosing pressure;tried to top up again but it kept going down so decided to bung a tube in.After lots of swearing got the tyre off and then had a problem getting the valve out(quick tap with a Park tyre lever shifted it ),tube in cue loads more swearing getting the tyre back :roll: on.It took two of us in the end but it was ok on the way back.

So IRC's to be ordered today.

oldbazza

Scratch that,Malcom's sold out of the 23's so I'll take a punt with the 25's.

munkster

Good luck trying to get a tube into a Roadlite if you ever suffer the misfortune! YMMV clearly but IME they've been by far the tightest of any tubeless tyre I've fitted. Once they've been on a while they do loosen up but I'd be amazed if I'd get a tube in even then! "You're welcome" hehe ;-)

oldbazza

munkster wrote:

Good luck trying to get a tube into a Roadlite if you ever suffer the misfortune! YMMV clearly but IME they've been by far the tightest of any tubeless tyre I've fitted. Once they've been on a while they do loosen up but I'd be amazed if I'd get a tube in even then! "You're welcome" hehe ;-)

Well fun trying to fit those on the Hunts or actually not fit

Dunno if it's one of those rim/tyre incompatibility things but I'm damned if I can get them on;can't get the last few cm's on tried soap and everything(bust a lever) so given up for the moment and going standard tubed for the ride London.

So much easier with the Archetype/Hutchinson Sector combo.

Edit;Actually just seen another technique,might give it another go :roll: .

oldbazza

Nope that didn't work;tubed it is,might be some IRC's for sale soon :roll:

munkster

To be honest I've had *real* bad luck with punctures with them. Compared to Hutchinsons and Schwalbe Ones over many 000s of kms I've had sufficient problems to lead me to give up on the IRCs I'm afraid. YMMV I'm sure but enough is enough for me :-(

coops1967

oldbazza - have you tried the genuine innovations plug kit (on previous page) for larger punctures/holes? I've used it once, worked a treat and the tyre is still just fine...

I did have to remove and refit my front Schwalbe Pro One (on a Stans Grail rim) due to realising i'd put in on the wrong way, not paying any attention to rotation mark/indicator.... doh! At least I'd put the back one on correctly by accident...

Second time ie taking off and refitting was notably easier than when new - could roll it on with bare hands and inflated just fine aagain with a stand pump. Was pleased to see the Stans sealant was still liquid after a few months ( this is in 30+ degC weather, high humidity of Thailand).

ugo.santalucia

munkster wrote:

To be honest I've had *real* bad luck with punctures with them. Compared to Hutchinsons and Schwalbe Ones over many 000s of kms I've had sufficient problems to lead me to give up on the IRCs I'm afraid. YMMV I'm sure but enough is enough for me :-(

It's bad luck, but not the tyre's fault. My roadlite are still going and puncture free after well over 2000 miles. The Sector are more durable... I have a pair on which have done over 3000 miles and refuse to give up... the Schwalbe were shambles in terms of mileage... after just over 1500 miles they were in pieces and had punctured 5 times (although they all sealed)

jdee84

Heading away for a few days this week. Would I be better off taking off the roadlites and sticking on some standard clinchers to avoid any hassle if I get a puncture that won't seal?

ugo.santalucia

jdee84 wrote:

Heading away for a few days this week. Would I be better off taking off the roadlites and sticking on some standard clinchers to avoid any hassle if I get a puncture that won't seal?

no

munkster

As Ugo says I've just been unlucky and while it is surely unlikely to be tyre specific (they don't look/feel/ride as if they are fragile, far from it) I do now associate them with ballache-ery I'm afraid.

jdee84

Was put today in about 34 degree heat going up a hill stopped for ten minutes a few km from the top and when I went to go again the rear roadlites felt slightly soft but not overly. A couple of km later it was totally flat.

Could the heat cause problems with the tyre bead and rim interface. Was no sign of sealant anywhere so don't think it was a puncture

ugo.santalucia

jdee84 wrote:

Was put today in about 34 degree heat going up a hill stopped for ten minutes a few km from the top and when I went to go again the rear roadlites felt slightly soft but not overly. A couple of km later it was totally flat.

Could the heat cause problems with the tyre bead and rim interface. Was no sign of sealant anywhere so don't think it was a puncture

Unlikely... to me it sounds like either

1) your rim tape failed

2) your sealant dried out and you punctured

jdee84

The sealants only been in a few weeks and the tyre went up and stayed up for the rest of the ride with a blast of co2

It was flat again this morning but pumped up and went put and it stayed up for the whole ride of about 5 hours

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

Flatted out on the road wouldn't seal - patched at the roadside in 25 minutes. 23mm tight on Bonty Race Lights. Only took 25% of the tyre off the rim. Not much longer than a tube replacement if I could master getting the tyre out and back quicker it would quicker.. Only used a rag, and a Tubeless repair patch and kit + pump

First time done this at the roadside, thinking of getting a the small Hutchinson Sealant bottle that has an applicator in the top so can do the whole job properly.

fat_tail

munkster wrote:

Good luck trying to get a tube into a Roadlite if you ever suffer the misfortune! YMMV clearly but IME they've been by far the tightest of any tubeless tyre I've fitted. Once they've been on a while they do loosen up but I'd be amazed if I'd get a tube in even then! "You're welcome" hehe ;-)

I had no problems getting the roadlites on ... a little bit of effort with a tea towel and the went on . Also, had to use an inner tube once as I was waiting for my Genuine Innovations kit to come through and that was not problem either.

btw the Genuine Innovations "anchovies" worked a treat.

oldbazza

Had a puncture on the first proper ride on the Roadlites this morning,nice big slash;didn't seal* so had to put a tube in as I had left the tubeless repair kit at home :roll: .Think these tyres are jinxed for me .


*Prob not enough sealant although the slash is pretty big so may not have sealed itself anyway.

drlodge

oldbazza wrote:

Had a puncture on the first proper ride on the Roadlites this morning,nice big slash;didn't seal* so had to put a tube in as I had left the tubeless repair kit at home :roll: .Think these tyres are jinxed for me .


*Prob not enough sealant although the slash is pretty big so may not have sealed itself anyway.

That's a bummer. Do you know what caused the slash? 30ml is the normal amount of sealant but as you say, holes above a certain size are unlikely to seal.

ddraver

Have to say my One Pros are seriously struggling on GB roads. I understand what Ugo was saying now.

Have to have a look at some Roadlights or Hutchinsons soon....

jdee84

ddraver wrote:

Have to say my One Pros are seriously struggling on GB roads. I understand what Ugo was saying now.

Have to have a look at some Roadlights or Hutchinsons soon....

I may be putting a set of roadlites with 400 miles on them on the classifieds soon

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

Don't rule out the Panaracer Tubeless, quite pleased although 500 miles only so far

http://www.panaracer.com/news/2016/4/21 ... ilable-now

oldbazza

drlodge wrote:

oldbazza wrote:

Had a puncture on the first proper ride on the Roadlites this morning,nice big slash;didn't seal* so had to put a tube in as I had left the tubeless repair kit at home :roll: .Think these tyres are jinxed for me .


*Prob not enough sealant although the slash is pretty big so may not have sealed itself anyway.

That's a bummer. Do you know what caused the slash? 30ml is the normal amount of sealant but as you say, holes above a certain size are unlikely to seal.

Glass I reckon,just unlucky I guess.

ddraver

jdee84 wrote:

ddraver wrote:

Have to say my One Pros are seriously struggling on GB roads. I understand what Ugo was saying now.

Have to have a look at some Roadlights or Hutchinsons soon....

I may be putting a set of roadlites with 400 miles on them on the classifieds soon

Drop me a PM if you do....

Ended up on a blooming rocky track on the Sectors yesterday (I'm back where I grew up and I swear that was a gravel track when I was young) and they were fine. Flipping uncomfortable but they survived. Ironically the only place they have nt been fine is in Amsterdam where I suspect they got glassed...

ozzybmx

Pro one tubeless, 2200km on a set and still going beautifully. No punctures since going tubeless and just got another set from Bike-Discount.de for $90. Great tyre IMO

Fat-Boy-Roubaix

ok a bit of bad maintenance from me but came to wash the bike today after 4 weeks without a wash. It was a fucking nightmare what I thought was caked on mud was caked on mud mixed with baked on Stan's sealant took me a good few hours to the shit off at one point I thought all was lost all my white decals looked brown had to chain cleaner spray and muck off and loads of wipes.

Either I have had loads of puncture's I am not aware of or Stan's is nightmare stuff first time I have used it. Never had this before, but I normally wash the bike weekly..

ugo.santalucia

Fat-Boy-Roubaix wrote:

ok a bit of bad maintenance from me but came to wash the bike today after 4 weeks without a wash. It was a ******* nightmare what I thought was caked on mud was caked on mud mixed with baked on Stan's sealant took me a good few hours to the shoot off at one point I thought all was lost all my white decals looked brown had to chain cleaner spray and muck off and loads of wipes.

Either I have had loads of puncture's I am not aware of or Stan's is nightmare stuff first time I have used it. Never had this before, but I normally wash the bike weekly..

Good rant...